What do you think 
Only if the firelighters or lighting fluid weigh over 500 Kilos 
Is this your leaving do Rob ?
Some big Barby mate 
Niall.
Charcoal on its own, in sacks, in a sea container.
I should have been clearer.
No Haz sign on the bags, so no orange plate …
I often carry pallets of bagged charcoal and, as far as I am aware, it not considered hazardous. (Unless the pallet drops on your foont!)
WELL, according to VOSA it is a hazardous load and should display haz plates accordingly.
Charcoal comes under the ‘spontaneously combustible’ category and stickers stating this fact must be applied to all 4 sides of the trailer/container 
This came about on a VOSA spot check in the Worksop area some time ago where a non-haz qualified driver was enroute from Felixstowe to the delivery point just north of Worksop on the A60 when he was pulled over and asked why he was not displaying his orange plates as the container was displaying ‘spontaneously combustible’ stickers on each side.
The driver said that the company had not advised it was a haz load and upon further investigation it turned out that the load was always shipped on a standard shipping note, thus meaning that according to the shipper, it wasn’t classed as hazardous, therefore not requiring the need to display the orange haz plates.
VOSA then asked why, if that was the case, ‘spontaneously combustible’ stickers had been applied to the container? The driver naturally couldn’t answer that question.
VOSA let the driver go on his way and said that they would be investigating the matter further …
What do you reckon
Spontaneously combustible my arse i have enough trouble getting the stuff to bloody light in the bbq let alone light itself.
I voted no as a matter of common sense 
BUT, I reckon that now with all the changes to ADR, some jobsworth will have decided whilst burning sausages that it should be.
On a similar point, in the Tunnel books, there are many products that are classified as hazardous and are given a UN number and packing groups.
One product that you will never see with orange plates is a lorry loaded with bales of hay or straw, but that comes under the classification for the same reason Its only hazardous if you smoke or fall off the load 
No listing for chacoal in my UN numbers listing (Which is Canadian BTW), but Carbon (which is what charcoal is basicly) is UN 1361, and is a group 4.2 substance, which are: Flammable solids, spontaneously combustible.
Looks Hazmat (ADR) to me…
i dont believe it is a hazardous load…but reading the thread further it maybe…normally if the shipping company accept it as non haz…then normally it itsnt…we can all be corrected though…on the same note…what about waste paper…that is also combustible…and i`ve seen many a trailer going up in flames as a result of this…but its not classed as a haz load…
Paper - unsaturated, oil treated (including carbon paper) UN 1379, group 4.2 - spontaneously flammable.
allikat:
Paper - unsaturated, oil treated (including carbon paper) UN 1379, group 4.2 - spontaneously flammable.
what does it say about Straw ■■
Straw, UN 1327, group 4.1 (flammable solid), regulated only when transported by ship.
Do bear in mind that I’m getting this from my Cannuck Hazmat book, but the numbers and categories are UN agreed, and international…
allikat:
Straw, UN 1327, group 4.1 (flammable solid), regulated only when transported by ship.
thats Ok then, I’ve heard CF’s called lots of things but never ships 
Do bear in mind that I’m getting this from my Cannuck Hazmat book, but the numbers and categories are UN agreed, and international…
Should be fairly similar, shouldn’t it
The numbers and categories will be the same, handling regulations will be about all that differs.
I can see Denis will be doing an ADR course soon for Straw
Is Pig [zb] hazardous
I know you’re intelligent enough to do better than that… 
L. 
Wheel Nut:
I can see Denis will be doing an ADR course soon for StrawIs Pig[zb] hazardous
Bull poop certainly is
(quote edited…Denis F
Rob K:
WELL, according to VOSA it is a hazardous load and should display haz plates accordingly.Charcoal comes under the ‘spontaneously combustible’ category and stickers stating this fact must be applied to all 4 sides of the trailer/container
Maybe someone should tell Tescos, they`ve got bags of the stuff stacked up in the forecorts of their petrol stations!!!
Bullitt.
Maybe it’s because of it’s capacity to fill an enclosed space (the box in this case) with dust, which is far more flammable than the actual charcoal… 
Don’t forget there are exemptions for limited quantities. You can get away with a couple of bags, but a container full is ADR territory. Just like petrol. 80 litres in your car is fine, you try and haul 20 tonnes of it without an ADR and you’re in trouble.
It still counts as limited quantities by road when it’s in bags in a container, but not by sea…which is where the confusion often occurs. We regularly load aerosol air fresheners out of Lytham, and they are not hazardous until you put them on the ship, at which point we put the stickers on and enclose a TremCard in with the shipping notes.
Ditto car batteries. Ditto bottles of white spirit and many other chemicals.