diggertony:
because breaks less than 15 mins count as work…
NO THEY DO NOT - they cannot count for a EU REGS or RT(WTD)R break but they are a BREAK from doing OTHER WORK or driving.
Who told you they counted as WORK if less than 15 mins
From page 5 of this thread and written by Coffeeholic who most, if not all, of us regard as a GURU on the regulations
Rikki-UK:
…and if you are only waiting 12 minutes (for example) that break doesnt count and reverts to other work.
Coffeeholic:
You’ve fallen into one of the myth traps there. It doesn’t revert to other work, it still break, just not a break long enough to count toward a tacho or WTD break. It is still a period of break which doesn’t count toward the 48 hour average or 60 hour maximum.
diggertony:
because breaks less than 15 mins count as work…poa can be any time length so long as known about…
its simple as that.
No sorry mate but breaks of less than 15 minutes do not count as working time though they obviously don’t count for the break regulations either.
As far as POA is concerned the answer is simple:
If you’re happy using it then use it otherwise use break.
You’re wasting your time arguing with ROG on this as he’s decided that POA is useless and will just continue to repeat the same old stuff “what use is POA if you’re paid for breaks” though as I’ve already said why anyone would get so worked up over POA v break is beyond me
Generally speaking where POA is used break could also be used but there are a couple of differences if we’re going to be picky.
For POA the worker is not required to remain at the workstation (unless double manning obviously) but an employer could theoretically insist on breaks being taken in the vehicle.
A break is time used exclusively for recuperation and so under normal circumstances you cannot legally resume work until required breaks have been completed, but for POA you are required to be available to take a call to resume work on request.
Small points and really pretty irrelevant in the overall scheme of things but there is a difference between break and POA for anyone who feels an overwhelming need to debate such matters.
ok…so less than 15 break dosent count as work…we know it dont count as break…but i only explained the difference between the poa and break…its not the same yer know.
rog. you are like a hair trigger you just rattle off…just regs rules…you must know your stuff but your answer to this thread isnt rated by me…
Well i use it mainly because you get your baws booted for taking too many breaks. Usually 2 month down the line when you forgot why you had that extra break. Any extra breaks must be written on trip sheet with explanation. Also keeps your hours down even though you get paid for it which means you get first shout at overtime when it crops up. At other depots you need to fill a POA form out when ,why , where , how long you took etc but not my depot maybe because im the only one that uses it.
Ive heard of drivers getting infringements for mis-use of POA but how the hell can they prove mis-use
Rikki-UK:
The one question I am asking? is it lack of knowledge or a wind up… you decide I have my own opinion that no-one in this day and age can be that badly informed- plus IP tracker helps
diggertony:
because breaks less than 15 mins count as work…poa can be any time length so long as known about…
its simple as that.
breaks of less than 15 minutes don’t count, but breaks of less than 30 minutes don’t count if it’s the second break, but it will if it’s the first break.
if you do have a break of less than 15 minutes, it dosn’t count as break, other work, driving or poa. so where are you?
you must be in vosa’s parallel universe. hey, just think, you could meet Elvis.
we dont need to discus breaks time length.not relevant…its the difference of poa and break…and why we have the poa…
before or pre poa days you could have some lazy git toss it off with defects or some other delay then say i carnt go there not enough time…poa changes that dont yer think…dont any of yers get it or what…
limeyphil:
diggertony:
because breaks less than 15 mins count as work…poa can be any time length so long as known about…
its simple as that.
breaks of less than 15 minutes don’t count, but breaks of less than 30 minutes don’t count if it’s the second break, but it will if it’s the first break.
if you do have a break of less than 15 minutes, it dosn’t count as break, other work, driving or poa. so where are you?
you must be in vosa’s parallel universe. hey, just think, you could meet Elvis.
and i dont have less than 15 mins break so wtf are you on about.
Wheel Nut:
It has been mentioned but some are saying that they wont use break and POA extends there day.
No it doesn’t.
buck rogers:
maybe not the day,but goes towards extendimg my weekly working limit hours.
Neither POA or BREAK count toward working hours and taking either will extend the time from start to finish of a shift
As both do the same job for the above and if the drivers pay is not affected by either then we come back to the same question - What use is POA
BREAK is much more useful to a driver for the EU driver regs and the RT(WTD)R.
no its not rog.not in all cases.
sometimes i dont want a break at a certain time,its difficult to explain the scenario,but sometimes taking a break when there is no need to can really ■■■■ up my day further on.that is another reason why i dont use break all the time.
globby 480:
in a nut shell NO!! never have and never will do either,same as wtd NO and never will, no jump"d up highly paid politician tell me what i can earn and what i can or can’t work, so in a nut shell, poa, and wtd they can stick it right up where the sun aint ever gunna shine, this euro trammel is ■■■■■■ with power with rules and regs if you want to work etc who the hell are they to limit you, ok some like it this way and some dont i am the one what doesnt
Cheers ■■■■■■. Its pillocks like you that’ve kept the wages down for everyone else. Stupid inbred knuckle dragger.
i reckon its more to do with the british culture,drivers not sticking together,unions screwing their paying members,and lining their own pockets,looking after themselves,i reckon this is where the french have got it right,they wouldnt take half the crap the british are seemingly happy to take.
Reason 2 - It extends the 6 hour break rule. If you start work at 6am, ordinarily you need to take a 30 minute break at 12pm.
This must surely be the most often mentioned topic on Trucknet_UK by now
It’s 15 minutes not 30
its 30…6hrs working requires 30min break
4.5hrs driving requires 45min break or accumulated before 4.5hrs.first one can be 15 mins
No mate the 6 hour rule requires that you take a 15 minute break before exceeding 6 hours working time.
For the WTD if you work between 6 and 9 hours you’re required to have a total of 30 minutes break during the shift but you’re only required to have 15 minutes of that before exceeding 6 hours working time.
Actually the length of break for the 6 hour rule is not stipulated in the regulations but the shortest break that will count for the WTD is 15 minutes so it’s rightly assumed that this is the minimum break required for the 6 hour rule.
Reason 2 - It extends the 6 hour break rule. If you start work at 6am, ordinarily you need to take a 30 minute break at 12pm.
This must surely be the most often mentioned topic on Trucknet_UK by now
It’s 15 minutes not 30
its 30…6hrs working requires 30min break
4.5hrs driving requires 45min break or accumulated before 4.5hrs.first one can be 15 mins
The RT(WTD)R was deliberately made to work alongside the EU driver regs which is why it is 15 mins and not 30
Just click the link(s) below and have a good read - all will be revealed RTD(WTD) BREAKS explained by a GURU … AND AGAIN HERE
TTX boy:
Dont worry Rikki i dont want your job or to be a moderator but we do need some fresh young blood in these forums to get some firey discusions going,no harm in that is there ■■?
there isnt no harm in a good discussion but you cnt back up what your sayin about poa,
for me i tip on break and load on break, run legal been stopped never had a problem with vosa
so for me i wil carry on that way !!
as some posted if you only have 12 mins this wont count as a break so reverts to other work anyways so who is arsed,
i will do it my way never had any problems…as for information on regulations i know what i know from asking and talking with others…all yer get on here is reg this and that…am suprised any of yers gets a load on the road to be truthfull with yer…but hey thas not me worry now…continue
as for information on regulations i know what i know from asking and talking with others.
No wonder so many drivers are unaware of the correct regs when they listen to MMTM
I do hope that some of the Dcpc trainers can improve their act when it comes to the information they give on the courses for the drivers regs as it seems some drivers really need it…
no rog it wont make a bit of difference…like any course its yes yes yes…get out of the door and its back to normal…dcpc wont make any of us better drivers…bieng able to spout off reg after reg wont help you get around the country and blindside into someones yard(dont tell me theres a rule against it).
no rog its talking to others who do the job that will help…and hopefully you know it
