buck rogers:
so then scenario time:
i pull up outside a car dealer who ive previously phoned to be told the guy who checks the cars in is out delivering a vehicle and wont be back for 1 hour.so i pull up and can quite rightly select poa,but dont and select break.i decide to go and oil my bollards and do some routine maintenance and along comes vosa.
“quick spot check driver,what time did you pull up and which mode are you on?”
“i pulled up half an hour ago and im on poa”
“it says here your on break and your working…”
Working whilst on POA is no different to working whilst on break … both situations are supposed to be recorded as “other work” and therefore are illegal
buck rogers:
poa certainly has its benefits for some like me who are paid a basic and bonus wage system.i dont want to sit wasting what could essentially be a days pay(load) on other work burning off my hours.
If you are waiting and put the mode switch to BREAK, do you get PAID for that time
If NO, then use POA if the rules on POA are OK at the time
If YES, then why would it matter which mode it was
buck rogers:
poa certainly has its benefits for some like me who are paid a basic and bonus wage system.i dont want to sit wasting what could essentially be a days pay(load) on other work burning off my hours.
If you are waiting and put the mode switch to BREAK, do you get PAID for that time
If NO, then use POA if the rules on POA are OK at the time
If YES, then why would it matter which mode it was
i get paid a basic day and then per vehicle i deliver like most transporter drivers do.it doesnt matter which mode im in.
globby 480:
in a nut shell NO!! never have and never will do either,same as wtd NO and never will, no jump"d up highly paid politician tell me what i can earn and what i can or can’t work, so in a nut shell, poa, and wtd they can stick it right up where the sun aint ever gunna shine, this euro trammel is ■■■■■■ with power with rules and regs if you want to work etc who the hell are they to limit you, ok some like it this way and some dont i am the one what doesnt
Cheers [zb]. Its [zb] like you that’ve kept the wages down for everyone else. [zb].
globby 480:
in a nut shell NO!! never have and never will do either,same as wtd NO and never will, no jump"d up highly paid politician tell me what i can earn and what i can or can’t work, so in a nut shell, poa, and wtd they can stick it right up where the sun aint ever gunna shine, this euro trammel is ■■■■■■ with power with rules and regs if you want to work etc who the hell are they to limit you, ok some like it this way and some dont i am the one what doesnt
well said brother
Another dumb ■■■■ incapable of realising why he’s on the same money as he was 10 years ago…
Wheel Nut:
It has been mentioned but some are saying that they wont use break and POA extends there day.
No it doesn’t.
buck rogers:
maybe not the day,but goes towards extendimg my weekly working limit hours.
Neither POA or BREAK count toward working hours and taking either will extend the time from start to finish of a shift
As both do the same job for the above and if the drivers pay is not affected by either then we come back to the same question - What use is POA
BREAK is much more useful to a driver for the EU driver regs and the RT(WTD)R.
the way i do it.
loading/unloading=other work=crossed hammers
if you cannot rely on the forkies telling you how long
booking time 1500 arrive 1430 ive got 25mins= poa=box with diagonal
parked up where i know i can take required break without disruption=break=bed shape
i wont take a break on a bay or in a queue.
or like some drivers right outside yard gates or turning areas…
and ffs will yers stop just putting links to regulation this that an other its boring.
lets work it out together
i thank you
ROG:
Wheel Nut:
It has been mentioned but some are saying that they wont use break and POA extends there day.
No it doesn’t.
buck rogers:
maybe not the day,but goes towards extendimg my weekly working limit hours.
Neither POA or BREAK count toward working hours and taking either will extend the time from start to finish of a shift
As both do the same job for the above and if the drivers pay is not affected by either then we come back to the same question - What use is POA
BREAK is much more useful to a driver for the EU driver regs and the RT(WTD)R.
some drivers dont get paid on tacho breaks so use poa…and it shows on tacho when been sat waiting.clever people in the transport office will look at times on yer notes and compare against yer chart.i my opinion if yer take yer break when could be other work or poa then your conning yerself.
diggertony:
some drivers dont get paid on tacho breaks so use poa
Which is why I wrote this…
ROG:
Neither POA or BREAK count toward working hours and taking either will extend the time from start to finish of a shift
As both do the same job for the above and if the drivers pay is not affected by either then we come back to the same question - What use is POA
BREAK is much more useful to a driver for the EU driver regs and the RT(WTD)R.
It does seem that the ONLY reason we can find for using POA is if the driver does not get PAID for BREAKS
ok lets see…shift starts 0600…in the truck and chart in 0615…
loaded up overnight so out the gates 0630
pull into first drop 0830
delayed here.man says come back in at 0930==about 50mins poa or depending on next drop driving time/distance/conditions you might use a break…
i use poa…you use break.
1030 we are back on the road…
1200 we pull in to 2nd drop…no delay here
1220 i stop for break…yove had yours you keep going…or you have yer 45 with me…
and the day goes on…
we both get finnished at 1700…7.5hrs driving…ive had 45mins break…2hrs poa…1hrs other work…
you had 7.5hrs driving and 3hrs 45 breaks… infringment not using mode switch…and you were seen outside first drop undoing tilt sides and cleaning yer mirrors
diggertony:
ok lets see…shift starts 0600…in the truck and chart in 0615…
loaded up overnight so out the gates 0630
pull into first drop 0830
delayed here.man says come back in at 0930==about 50mins poa or depending on next drop driving time/distance/conditions you might use a break…
i use poa…you use break.
1030 we are back on the road…
1200 we pull in to 2nd drop…no delay here
1220 i stop for break…yove had yours you keep going…or you have yer 45 with me…
and the day goes on…
we both get finnished at 1700…7.5hrs driving…ive had 45mins break…2hrs poa…1hrs other work…
you had 7.5hrs driving and 3hrs 45 breaks… infringment not using mode switch…and you were seen outside first drop undoing tilt sides and cleaning yer mirrors
No difference if you get paid for both
That is OTHER WORK so using POA or BREAK is illegal What infringement
At 1220 I like the driver who has given himself the CHOICE
diggertony:
you dont want it do yer…can i ask are you still on the road…
All I am doing is pointing out the legal or necessary issues of using POA or not so what has being on the road got to do with it as those issues will not change whether I am or am not
PS - what infringement were you referring to please ?
yer not are yer…like some one allready posted if it were not for the poa we would be out of time by wednesday…its for our benefit…if we were told just take a break when poa could be used we would be moaning…if i start at 0600 i dont want a break at 0900…for me it explains easily…period of avaliabilty…its not yer break… as for use of mode switch search for it sure you will find a regulation that tells us…
