diggertony:
no rog it wont make a bit of difference…like any course its yes yes yes…get out of the door and its back to normal…dcpc wont make any of us better drivers…bieng able to spout off reg after reg wont help you get around the country and blindside into someones yard(dont tell me theres a rule against it).
no rog its talking to others who do the job that will help…and hopefully you know it
Why go off on a tangent about blindsiding etc I never referred to that !! but you are correct, most of the Dcpc will probably be useless to a LGV driver as it was designed by a suit in the EU parliament.
Talking to others to get the truth about things like the regs will only result in one bad myth being passed around to many or MMTM as we say on here.
I learned many things when I started out by when it comes to set rules such as the driver regs then nothing beats reading them and if not understanding them then ask someone who does know rather than someone who thinks they know
thats a bit odd…anyhow…rog dont get wrong there knowledge is a good thing…but theres no myths going round…but yer poa isnt break…
and im sure my gaffer would rather me be able to legally and expertly do the job…than be able to recite the wtd or drivers hours regs…
I’m forced to use POA, not a case of getting money taking off if i don’t use it a case of being shown the door, agency driver so a case of not following their rules.
Ok POA and rest don’t count towards working hours, but only rest counts as a break for 4hrs 30mins driving or for the WTD.
But i do find it makes the job harder at times and makes its less efficent if something goes wrong.
Been out done a first run 2 hours driving time on the card, sat about for 2 hours on POA, so only 2hrs 30mins left on the card. Get told going across to Edinburgh normal driving time about 1hrs 15mins, so think great be sitting about 3hrs 15mins at the store do the delivery then get outta Edinburgh 30mins driving take my break at service station. Means by the time i get back to depot got ive got about 40mins on the card and plenty of time to go out again if need be.
But get an accident on the M8, stop start, over an hour to go from Livingston to the city bypass suddenly sitting at over 4hours driving and you gotta stop take a 45min break. Store has 10pm curfew end up missing it having to bring the whole load back. Has happend to me. Where as if that 2hours on POA had been on rest instead wouldnt have had to stop for the 45mins and could have gone in just before 10pm droped the trailer and left meaning the store got their stuff for first thing the next morning. Just a trailer for someone to pick up next morning.
Other stuff like because they only really wanna see 45mins rest, and your doing long shifts you really need to push your rest time as far back as possible prob helps with the loads of infringements the drivers seems to get. Where as if they let drivers use rest prob drop the amount of infringments by 90% saving more money because stack up in infringments have to spend a day paid doing a refresher course. So got a driver getting paid to do a day learning about tachographs and another driver in to cover them.
Plus as well could be taking more reduced daily rests if i wanted to because have sat many a time with over 3hours solid on POA.
schrodingers cat:
Am I wrong in thinking that the first 4 mins of POA is counted as break?
probably
If you meant 45 minutes, you are stirring the double manning rules in the mix
No definitely 4 minutes, I was on the same course as the originator of this thread. LOL (I blame the sticky 5 key). Yes I probably am confusing it with the double manning rule but still dont understand why it would be different if you are sat next to someone who is driving or not?
schrodingers cat:
Am I wrong in thinking that the first 4 mins of POA is counted as break?
probably
If you meant 45 minutes, you are stirring the double manning rules in the mix
No definitely 4 minutes, I was on the same course as the originator of this thread. LOL (I blame the sticky 5 key). Yes I probably am confusing it with the double manning rule but still dont understand why it would be different if you are sat next to someone who is driving or not?
Because the inventors of the digital tachograph forgot the double manning scenario.
It is possible to take a break (not rest) on a moving vehicle whilst two’s up.
However you cannot switch position two to break. So it is allowed to count the first 45 minutes as break.
limeyphil:
if you do have a break of less than 15 minutes, it dosn’t count as break, other work, driving or poa. so where are you?
you must be in vosa’s parallel universe. hey, just think, you could meet Elvis.
It counts as 12 minutes of break, it just isn’t long enough to be used for a required break for the tacho or WTD rules.
mark h:
as some posted if you only have 12 mins this wont count as a break so reverts to other work anyways so who is arsed
It doesn’t revert to other work, it’s still break and won’t count toward your working time for the WTD.
would rather me be able to legally and expertly do the job…than be able to recite the wtd or drivers hours regs…