TTX boy:
Rog, you say POA means not doing any work,and therefore must be a rest,that is true but you cant put your taco on break just because your not doing any work,i.e. sat waiting in a que or while backed on a bay while someone else tips you,
thats what the law says.
to be fair to ttx i was under the impression you carnt have break on bay or rdc i always use poa, i was trying to find were i read it, i either read it or went through it on a stobbie induction, but it will be intersting to see what the truth actually is in black and white,
TTX Boy:
VOSA are now self funded that means they get no money from central goverment.
Congratulations… thats the best bit of bull manure we have had on here for a long time. absolutely brilliant… am seriousy impressed you have put some long standing forum manure spreaders to shame , well done
I am delighted to announce improvements to bus and lorry testing services, supported by up to £64m additional funding for the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA).
“The Agency plays a vital role in road safety by ensuring lorries and buses meet the necessary standards. Today’s announcement means we can build on VOSA’s strengths and respond more flexibly to the requirements of industry to create a testing service fit for the 21st century.”
we got to pay quite a few roadside fines just to cover the extra 64 million
TTX boy:
Rog, you say POA means not doing any work,and therefore must be a rest,that is true but you cant put your taco on break just because your not doing any work,i.e. sat waiting in a que or while backed on a bay while someone else tips you,
thats what the law says.
Article 4
(d) ‘break’ means any period during which a driver may not carry out any driving or any other work and which is used exclusively for recuperation;
(e) ‘other work’ means all activities which are defined as working time in Article 3(a) of Directive 2002/15/EC except ‘driving’, including any work for the same or another employer, within or outside of the transport sector;
(f) ‘rest’ means any uninterrupted period during which a driver may freely dispose of his time;
TTX boy:
Rog, you say POA means not doing any work,and therefore must be a rest,that is true but you cant put your taco on break just because your not doing any work,i.e. sat waiting in a que or while backed on a bay while someone else tips you,
thats what the law says.
The whole point of this thread is to point out that POA should be used while your waiting to get unloaded and while you are being unloaded. You cant put your taco on break while doing these things.
dustylfc:
to be fair to ttx i was under the impression you carnt have break on bay or rdc i always use poa,
Think of this - you are backed onto a bay and the loaders cannot tell you how long you will be cos they don’t know - now you cannot use POA as the rules for POA clearly state that you must be told how long the wait will be.
You now have two choices -
OTHER WORK - but you are not working if you are just sitting in your cab and resting on the bunk or reading a newspaper etc
BREAK - that seems to fit the requirement of sitting in the cab and not working
TTX boy:
The whole point of this thread is to point out that POA should be used while your waiting to get unloaded and while you are being unloaded. You cant put your taco on break while doing these things.
Lord help me!
Forget the Lord - just prove your point by quoting the regulation(s) that back up what you are saying please
TTX boy:
Rog, you say POA means not doing any work,and therefore must be a rest,that is true but you cant put your taco on break just because your not doing any work,i.e. sat waiting in a que or while backed on a bay while someone else tips you,
thats what the law says.
where
show me it in writing
I too would be interested in seeing the legislation on this…
As far as I can see it would be a major shift in emphasis from the current understanding of the law, followed by almost every LGV driver
The whole point of this thread is to point out that POA should be used while your waiting to get unloaded and while you are being unloaded. You cant put your taco on break while doing these things.
Lord help me!
why not?
and before we go much further… Yes i am goading you, and yes, you are making assumptions and relying on hearsay…
sorry
If you want to be a respected member of these forums, look at the links provided, and do a little research, with the internet its pretty easy…
to be frank mate at this moment you are making a bit of an arse of yourself.
If I am waiting outside a store to tip and there is another truck on the bay, technically for me to be on POA, I need to now how long I am going to be waiting, and this isnt always known so POA cant be used, however a break can be for any length of time, it doesnt have to be 15 or 30 mins, and if I am free to sit there drinking tea, reading newspaper, on my PSP, then I class that as a break, cos it aint working or driving
bugcos:
If I am waiting outside a store to tip and there is another truck on the bay, technically for me to be on POA, I need to now how long I am going to be waiting, and this isnt always known so POA cant be used, however a break can be for any length of time, it doesnt have to be 15 or 30 mins, and if I am free to sit there drinking tea, reading newspaper, on my PSP, then I class that as a break, cos it aint working or driving
Exactly Bug… to be POA you have to know in advance how long your expected to be there, " sit in your cab drive, we will call you" means you CANT use POA , however you can legally use break, and if you are only waiting 12 minutes (for example) that break doesnt count and reverts to other work.
Rikki !, its not me that makes the rules and laws,it’s the f****ing europeon union.
Yes, I know its stupid and a waste of time but the rules say you cant have a break while waiting or being loaded/unloaded.
I did my first cpc day last month and it was drilled in to us that this practice is illegal.
VOSA are starting to tug drivers over this because they know drivers take a break while they are being unloaded.
TTX boy:
Rikki !, its not me that makes the rules and laws,it’s the f****ing europeon union.
Yes, I know its stupid and a waste of time but the rules say you cant have a break while waiting or being loaded/unloaded.
I did my first cpc day last month and it was drilled in to us that this practice is illegal.
VOSA are starting to tug drivers over this because they know drivers take a break while they are being unloaded.
So show me in the regulations where it says that if a drivers truck is being unloaded, he is taking no part in that unloading (other work) he is not driving the truck (unlikely unless the forklift is a bit nippy)he cannot take a break… the driver is doing no work - is not driving - he can legally take a break
bugcos:
If I am waiting outside a store to tip and there is another truck on the bay, technically for me to be on POA, I need to now how long I am going to be waiting, and this isnt always known so POA cant be used, however a break can be for any length of time, it doesnt have to be 15 or 30 mins, and if I am free to sit there drinking tea, reading newspaper, on my PSP, then I class that as a break, cos it aint working or driving
And if we are sat on the bay long enough. I can use that time as part of my daily “rest” period provided it exceeds 3 hours. I can sleep, read my maps or sit and read Readers Wives for 3 hours, not on break but rest.
Sitting in an RDC on break waiting for a bay or tipping and I welcome the attention of VOSA and TTX to explain the error of my ways.
Drive. I suggest you read these rules you are so up on again. We are busy, not sure when we can get round to tipping you pal
TTX boy:
Rikki !, its not me that makes the rules and laws,it’s the f****ing europeon union.
Yes, I know its stupid and a waste of time but the rules say you cant have a break while waiting or being loaded/unloaded.
I did my first cpc day last month and it was drilled in to us that this practice is illegal.
VOSA are starting to tug drivers over this because they know drivers take a break while they are being unloaded.
so your telling me if i back on a bay and then jump on the bunk for an hour or so for a sleep,whilst im being tipped and the guys in goods in bang the door when its done is not classed as a break■■?
TTX boy:
Rikki !, its not me that makes the rules and laws,it’s the f****ing europeon union.
Yes, I know its stupid and a waste of time but the rules say you cant have a break while waiting or being loaded/unloaded.
I did my first cpc day last month and it was drilled in to us that this practice is illegal.
OH NO !! - not another Dcpc trainer talking out of their arse again - how many does that make now ■■
You say -
its not me that makes the rules and laws,it’s the f****ing europeon union.
well. here are the regs - not the VOSA GUIDE but the actual EU DRIVER REGS from the EU LAW SITE so please click the EU regs link and show us
TTX boy:
I did my first cpc day last month and it was drilled in to us that this practice is illegal.
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Did the training provider give you this in writing? because given my personal love for the drivers cpc I would love to have a JAUPT approved training centre put this down in writing ( am getting slightly damp at the thought )
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