Article 4
o) ‘multi-manning’ means the situation where, during each period of driving between any two consecutive daily rest periods, or between a daily rest period and a weekly rest period, there are at least two drivers in the vehicle to do the driving. For the first hour of multi-manning the presence of another driver or drivers is optional but for the remainder of the period it is compulsory;
It does say TO DO and not MUST DO but this is a LAW so I am not sure how it should be read…
We don’t double-man because of any need to on hours. It’s a requirement of the customers from a security aspect.
As they do both drive it makes it far simpler because they are both under WTD and driving regs. But it does raise some interesting points. I would read that example as available to drive but not required to if the journey could be done in one drivers hours.
I’m not volunteering as a guinea pig to test the case though 
TTX boy:
all the drivers saying that they’ve never used it and never will are just stupid and obviously dont understand tacograph rules and laws.
you call yourselves professional drivers but you show yourselves to be inept at understanding the basics rules.
I look forward to you explaining the difference between break and POA and how it can benefit anyone.
It will turn into an interesting thread if you do understand the basic rules
TTX boy:
all the drivers saying that they’ve never used it and never will are just stupid and obviously dont understand tacograph rules and laws.
you call yourselves professional drivers but you show yourselves to be inept at understanding the basics rules.
Never use POA, no need as I get paid all breaks apart from 45 minutes a day, so I guess I don’t understand the rules at all then. 
Never had an infringement for not using it, and obviously wouldn’t as no rules have been broken.
What is it about not using POA which makes you think that means people don’t understand the regulations? If a period qualifies as POA it can certainly be booked as break, the requirements for break are less then POA.
Never called myself professional and never will so you are making a bit of an assumption there.
I use P.O.A regularly as the job I do at the moment involves a lot of short journeys and time waiting to off load. Vosa have published a booklet on drivers hours and tachographs I have a copy and would recommend it to anyone it’s easy to understand and covers everything you need to know to stay legal. 
mike68:
Vosa have published a booklet on drivers hours and tachographs I have a copy and would recommend it to anyone it’s easy to understand and covers everything you need to know to stay legal.
Or it can be downloaded
VOSA GUIDE
ROG:
waddy640:
Used it once, got an infringement. Haven’t bothered since.WHY?
As I recall, because POA shows on dashboard display as rest/break I was late taking break as it had cancelled out previous driving. I always go by display on tacho now.
At present I generally do two or three days a week so I just leave it on other work. We don’t get paid for breaks so I take either 45 or 90 minutes.
globby 480:
TTX boy:
all the drivers saying that they’ve never used it and never will are just stupid and obviously dont understand tacograph rules and laws.
you call yourselves professional drivers but you show yourselves to be inept at understanding the basics rules.yep thats right we must be bloody stupid for doing this job in the first palce,
i fully understand rules and regs but i dont call my self a professional driver as no one else does unless something bad happens then we are professionals. i dont use poa or wtd and never will belive me i never will !! if you no the rules right you have to book poa yes i dont and never have and never will you numb skull
i fully understand rules and regs
i dont use poa or wtd and never will belive me i never will !!
Now i see why this driver CPC training might be a good thing 
I dont bother with it , life is to short
Poa,wtd,driver cpc,etc: etc: thinking about this carp,just seems to bring on a migrane ! 
What next ?
fuse:
I dont bother with it , life is to short
Quite true.
TTX boy:
all the drivers saying that they’ve never used it and never will are just stupid and obviously dont understand tacograph rules and laws.
you call yourselves professional drivers but you show yourselves to be inept at understanding the basics rules.
I dont think I am stupid… I understand all the rules I need to to do my job. POA, Double manning, Ferries - I don’t need to know and if i do I will look it up. We rarely “work” more than 10 hours and driving can be 7 hours or less. So why would we want to bother with POA? At Sainsbury’s I put it on break while I sit in their silly little waiting room. This is perfectly legal - I am not working; I am on a “break”.
VOSA are now self funded that means they get no money from central goverment.
The only way they get money is by fines they impose on us drivers,brand new Ford Galaxys cost money.
VOSA officers are waiting outside RDCs and stopping trucks leaving and checking taco’s,drivers found to have taken a break inside the RDC could be fined.
You can not have a break while you are sat waiting to get on a bay and you cant have a break while you are being unloaded.
VOSA say that if your in a RDC,your working!
That is why you need to use POA.
I a wait your comments. 
TTX boy:
VOSA officers are waiting outside RDCs and stopping trucks leaving and checking taco’s,drivers found to have taken a break inside the RDC could be fined.You can not have a break while you are sat waiting to get on a bay and you cant have a break while you are being unloaded.
VOSA say that if your in a RDC,your working!
What an absolute load of [ZB] - where did you get that massive myth from 
TTX boy:
That is why you need to use POA.
What do the regs say about POA ? - I’ll tell you …
POA means not doing any WORK - OH!!! - that’s the same as BREAK - how strange…
Sort of puts your quote below into perspective…
TTX boy:
you call yourselves professional drivers but you show yourselves to be inept at understanding the basics rules.
What do they say about people in glasshouses■■?
Wheel Nut:
TTX boy:
all the drivers saying that they’ve never used it and never will are just stupid and obviously dont understand tacograph rules and laws.
you call yourselves professional drivers but you show yourselves to be inept at understanding the basics rules.I look forward to you explaining the difference between break and POA and how it can benefit anyone.
It will turn into an interesting thread if you do understand the basic rules
See TTX, you missed the bit in RED
some people on here are just plain stupid!
TTX boy:
some people on here are just plain stupid!
I’ll be fair with you - shall we go to the regulations and use quotes from them to prove each of our points - does that seem fair to you ?
I think these are all we will need…
EU DRIVER REGS
VOSA GUIDE
RT(WTD)R guide
How about it ?
Rog, you say POA means not doing any work,and therefore must be a rest,that is true but you cant put your taco on break just because your not doing any work,i.e. sat waiting in a que or while backed on a bay while someone else tips you,
thats what the law says.
TTX boy:
Rog, you say POA means not doing any work,and therefore must be a rest,that is true but you cant put your taco on break just because your not doing any work,i.e. sat waiting in a que or while backed on a bay while someone else tips you,
thats what the law says.
and who says drivers are as thick as pigshit!!!
TTX boy:
Rog, you say POA means not doing any work,and therefore must be a rest,that is true but you cant put your taco on break just because your not doing any work,i.e. sat waiting in a que or while backed on a bay while someone else tips you,
thats what the law says.
Then find me that quote from the regs to prove your point
Here is my offering…
POA - scroll down a little
Like breaks and rest periods, a PoA can be taken at the workstation.