The problem is that some tool decided that it should be 35hrs every 5 yrs, 35hrs is exessive as is the need for it to be repeated every 5 yrs, The typical DCPC course could be carried out online,or by post, why the need to attend apart to generate cash?
topmixer11:
You go down the bent road which many have already done. Ie short attendance like 3 hours then done ,these places have been raided by jaupt who do use undercover attendees .once found out you will be stripped of any hours gained along with a large fine and end up in court for fraud. Then try getting a job. I was offered the bent route and decided just as cheap to do it for real albeit dull and boring . Better not to be looking over your shoulder all the time ,remember you could have the card a year then somebody at the bent route gets found out then they come for everyone who was uploaded to database !!! IS IT WORTH IT
They would have to be able to prove that your DCPC hours where dodgy before they could take your dcpc card away ,and drivers are gonna tell em the truth should they come asking?
topmixer11:
You go down the bent road which many have already done. Ie short attendance like 3 hours then done ,these places have been raided by jaupt who do use undercover attendees .once found out you will be stripped of any hours gained along with a large fine and end up in court for fraud. Then try getting a job. I was offered the bent route and decided just as cheap to do it for real albeit dull and boring . Better not to be looking over your shoulder all the time ,remember you could have the card a year then somebody at the bent route gets found out then they come for everyone who was uploaded to database !!! IS IT WORTH IT
Where’s a link to any of these cases?
They would only be able to remove it for anyone caught red-handed.
Own Account Driver:
topmixer11:
You go down the bent road which many have already done. Ie short attendance like 3 hours then done ,these places have been raided by jaupt who do use undercover attendees .once found out you will be stripped of any hours gained along with a large fine and end up in court for fraud. Then try getting a job. I was offered the bent route and decided just as cheap to do it for real albeit dull and boring . Better not to be looking over your shoulder all the time ,remember you could have the card a year then somebody at the bent route gets found out then they come for everyone who was uploaded to database !!! IS IT WORTH ITWhere’s a link to any of these cases?
They would only be able to remove it for anyone caught red-handed.
The URTU case was well documented, several people arrested and charged with fraud after a police raid, then there was an investigation by JAUPT/DSA etc…
I’ve had info just like in the post you’ve quoted, but it came to my ears first-hand from various JAUPT inspectors during verification visits and on more than one occasion, so based on that I can vouch for the truth of the post.
ROG:
ezydriver:
From my 2 days so far I’ve learnt nothing that I didn’t already know.That’s the major flaw with the current system - no assessment to determine what, if anything, an individual driver needs
They wont put an assessment method in because it’s too expensive to manage along with, if they took that route they would need to go along with a pass or fail. They’re worried about the amount of people who might fail, the country would come to a grinding halt. It will never have a proper assessment or a pass fail element, most of the attitudes towards it are failures in their own right.
fleettraineruk:
ROG:
ezydriver:
From my 2 days so far I’ve learnt nothing that I didn’t already know.That’s the major flaw with the current system - no assessment to determine what, if anything, an individual driver needs
They wont put an assessment method in because it’s too expensive to manage along with, if they took that route they would need to go along with a pass or fail. They’re worried about the amount of people who might fail, the country would come to a grinding halt. It will never have a proper assessment or a pass fail element, most of the attitudes towards it are failures in their own right.
Fail an assessment = training given - what is so hard about that?
No one is saying that not passing an assessment means that the driver cannot keep working but just that they need some extra training
We don’t need 35 hours. What should be mandatory is tacho and hours regs every 3-5 years plus anything essential to your current job description. In my case EPIC and site safety and maybe a HIAB course?. For a food service driver food hygiene and customer service and possibly manual handling.
Tailor it to the job description and it will gain more respect and credibility.
Muckaway:
We don’t need 35 hours. What should be mandatory is tacho and hours regs every 3-5 years plus anything essential to your current job description. In my case EPIC and site safety and maybe a HIAB course?. For a food service driver food hygiene and customer service and possibly manual handling.
Tailor it to the job description and it will gain more respect and credibility.
But things such as food hygiene would be a employers responsibility would they not , as there is already a certificate for the handling of food stuffs , they shouldn’t figure in DCPC all that should is the drivers hours legislation and maybe some construction & use regs related to HGV’s which would take no more than a few hrs, costing £50 tops then maybe a refresher once each 5-10yrs which would cover any changes in the regulations or new regs , not the whole thing over again rinse and repeat ,which is what we currently have
dieseldave:
Own Account Driver:
topmixer11:
You go down the bent road which many have already done. Ie short attendance like 3 hours then done ,these places have been raided by jaupt who do use undercover attendees .once found out you will be stripped of any hours gained along with a large fine and end up in court for fraud. Then try getting a job. I was offered the bent route and decided just as cheap to do it for real albeit dull and boring . Better not to be looking over your shoulder all the time ,remember you could have the card a year then somebody at the bent route gets found out then they come for everyone who was uploaded to database !!! IS IT WORTH ITWhere’s a link to any of these cases?
They would only be able to remove it for anyone caught red-handed.
The URTU case was well documented, several people arrested and charged with fraud after a police raid, then there was an investigation by JAUPT/DSA etc…
I’ve had info just like in the post you’ve quoted, but it came to my ears first-hand from various JAUPT inspectors during verification visits and on more than one occasion, so based on that I can vouch for the truth of the post.
That would be those giving the course though. It’s no good JAUPT now finger-wagging about using trainers that accept cash without delivering training, they’re the ones that approved all these people.
DCPC trainers aren’t really police officers. If some are taking cash in return for hours without bothering to deliver training the issue is really between JAUPT and its ‘approved’ trainers.
Given you can take the same module 5 times legitimately if a driver paid and attended once but not the other 4 it’s hard to see how this can be spun as the crime of the century.
dieseldave:
Own Account Driver:
topmixer11:
You go down the bent road which many have already done. Ie short attendance like 3 hours then done ,these places have been raided by jaupt who do use undercover attendees .once found out you will be stripped of any hours gained along with a large fine and end up in court for fraud. Then try getting a job. I was offered the bent route and decided just as cheap to do it for real albeit dull and boring . Better not to be looking over your shoulder all the time ,remember you could have the card a year then somebody at the bent route gets found out then they come for everyone who was uploaded to database !!! IS IT WORTH ITWhere’s a link to any of these cases?
They would only be able to remove it for anyone caught red-handed.
The URTU case was well documented, several people arrested and charged with fraud after a police raid, then there was an investigation by JAUPT/DSA etc…
I’ve had info just like in the post you’ve quoted, but it came to my ears first-hand from various JAUPT inspectors during verification visits and on more than one occasion, so based on that I can vouch for the truth of the post.
Well they would say that wouldn’t they 
If they’re saying they can withdraw a drivers DCPC entitlement without proof of wrongdoing they’re saying they are above the law, I’ll wait for it to be tested in court before I believe that.
I wouldn’t be too bothered about it if there was some sort of test at the beginning and you are taught things you don’t know (if any)
What I really hate about the DCPC is the fact you have to sit there for x hours listening to the same crap whilst someone who has never used a digi is told over 3 hours how to do an manual entry, it drives me CRAZY.
I have not been taught 1 useful thing on any of the 3 DCPC courses I have done, the only thing I walked away knowing is how ZB the DCPC is!!!
ZB ZB ZB ZB ZB ZB ZB ZB ZB!!!
Just to clarify from my OP…
For reference, this is the thread where Mr Smyth was “Fishing” for anyone doing illegal dcpc hours, to kill the competition
After a battering, this is where Mr Smyth offered 2 free courses for reviews… I cant see any reviews
Correct me if I am wrong, but I really cant find the reviews anywhere.
Just to clarify, this is not a personal attack on Peter Smyth or his business, he offered to put his money where his mouth is (My DCPC course is great and better than …) and I cant see where the results are.
ROG:
fleettraineruk:
ROG:
ezydriver:
From my 2 days so far I’ve learnt nothing that I didn’t already know.That’s the major flaw with the current system - no assessment to determine what, if anything, an individual driver needs
They wont put an assessment method in because it’s too expensive to manage along with, if they took that route they would need to go along with a pass or fail. They’re worried about the amount of people who might fail, the country would come to a grinding halt. It will never have a proper assessment or a pass fail element, most of the attitudes towards it are failures in their own right.
Fail an assessment = training given - what is so hard about that?
No one is saying that not passing an assessment means that the driver cannot keep working but just that they need some extra training
It’s too expensive
Bear in mind that you are free to choose what course you go on.
I’d defy anyone to go on the Mercedes tanker driving/rollover course and not learn a lot (ask anyone who has done it), and find it enjoyable and slightly scary.
The problem is that it’s so expensive.
tachograph:
Well they would say that wouldn’t theyIf they’re saying they can withdraw a drivers DCPC entitlement without proof of wrongdoing they’re saying they are above the law, I’ll wait for it to be tested in court before I believe that.
Sorry if I was unclear… I meant to convey the notion of there being a due process before anybody got their DCPC hours total ‘trimmed’ for irregularities.
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Lorn trakta:
fleettraineruk:
ROG:
ezydriver:
From my 2 days so far I’ve learnt nothing that I didn’t already know.That’s the major flaw with the current system - no assessment to determine what, if anything, an individual driver needs
They wont put an assessment method in because it’s too expensive to manage along with, if they took that route they would need to go along with a pass or fail. They’re worried about the amount of people who might fail, the country would come to a grinding halt. It will never have a proper assessment or a pass fail element, most of the attitudes towards it are failures in their own right.
Lets assess fleetrainers response in plain english, by his very own posts admission the dcpc is a falsehood, a fake, a counterfeit of itself, designed and sanctioned to be unfailable by those at the very top of our ‘masters’ league table, and then fleetrainer objects to the attitudes of drivers objecting to this pointless rubbish being imposed upon them, or have I read it wrong?.
I’m amazed there are those still gallingly discussing the dcpc centred around its merits, when the calculatingly snide deviants who devised this hollow entity cannot have avoided employing equally devious consultants on how to have this utter falsehood of a qualification foisted upon supposedly intelligent people without its validity being brought into discussion in open court, as it surely would be if either an Oxford or Cambridge don were commissioned to examine it in its entirety.
Those able to discuss the intellectual pros and cons of the dcpc bring credulity to those experts in an art gallery that have seen deep and meaningful content in an artists piece of abstract work, only later revealed to have been painted by a monkey, as a professional qualification the dcpc is the master forgers pinnacle of counterfeit work, all the greater an achievement by it having immense kudos in the eyes of the dumbasses possessing it.
who cares about the integrity of the ‘trainers’ when the product they are selling has none at all, the piety of the dcpc’s promoters enabling them to issue barefaced lies in pursuit of achieving a goal that pays not the slightest homage to that which they claim publicly to be the reason for its existence, money is the route of all evil, there being nothing placed in the path of drivers obtaining employment this evil before, its pay up or we wont let you work in the galling belief their dcpc ‘qualification’ adequately camouflages their protection racket.
However you try to sanctify this racket it simply doesn’t hold water, those saying it should be more targeted or specific to their particular job, what cobblers!, so you get your pointless and untested dcpc by having the modules tailored to your job as a 7.5ton shop delivery driver then when you change jobs that same dcpc covers you to drive an 100 ton low-loader on interstate heavy haulage, if you really want to give it the respect it deserves do the same five modules in a country where you don’t understand a word they’re saying, its so ‘in your face’ ladies and gentlemen that the entire entourage from the ‘Bruxelles boys’ down to the ‘barrow boys’ flogging this crap that they are making monkeys of you all.
+1
Its certainly not good, but unfortunately here to stay. Having to pay for a ‘licence’ to work is becoming more commonplace.
My wife is a staff nurse and has to pay £100 every year to the NMC to be registered. No course to attend, just pay the cash.
Not much different from us paying for one dcpc course per year to stay compliant in five years time, at least we get tea and biscuits…
Lorn trakta:
fleettraineruk:
ROG:
ezydriver:
From my 2 days so far I’ve learnt nothing that I didn’t already know.That’s the major flaw with the current system - no assessment to determine what, if anything, an individual driver needs
They wont put an assessment method in because it’s too expensive to manage along with, if they took that route they would need to go along with a pass or fail. They’re worried about the amount of people who might fail, the country would come to a grinding halt. It will never have a proper assessment or a pass fail element, most of the attitudes towards it are failures in their own right.
Lets assess fleetrainers response in plain english, by his very own posts admission the dcpc is a falsehood, a fake, a counterfeit of itself, designed and sanctioned to be unfailable by those at the very top of our ‘masters’ league table, and then fleetrainer objects to the attitudes of drivers objecting to this pointless rubbish being imposed upon them, or have I read it wrong?.
I’m amazed there are those still gallingly discussing the dcpc centred around its merits, when the calculatingly snide deviants who devised this hollow entity cannot have avoided employing equally devious consultants on how to have this utter falsehood of a qualification foisted upon supposedly intelligent people without its validity being brought into discussion in open court, as it surely would be if either an Oxford or Cambridge don were commissioned to examine it in its entirety.
Those able to discuss the intellectual pros and cons of the dcpc bring credulity to those experts in an art gallery that have seen deep and meaningful content in an artists piece of abstract work, only later revealed to have been painted by a monkey, as a professional qualification the dcpc is the master forgers pinnacle of counterfeit work, all the greater an achievement by it having immense kudos in the eyes of the dumbasses possessing it.
who cares about the integrity of the ‘trainers’ when the product they are selling has none at all, the piety of the dcpc’s promoters enabling them to issue barefaced lies in pursuit of achieving a goal that pays not the slightest homage to that which they claim publicly to be the reason for its existence, money is the route of all evil, there being nothing placed in the path of drivers obtaining employment this evil before, its pay up or we wont let you work in the galling belief their dcpc ‘qualification’ adequately camouflages their protection racket.
However you try to sanctify this racket it simply doesn’t hold water, those saying it should be more targeted or specific to their particular job, what cobblers!, so you get your pointless and untested dcpc by having the modules tailored to your job as a 7.5ton shop delivery driver then when you change jobs that same dcpc covers you to drive an 100 ton low-loader on interstate heavy haulage, if you really want to give it the respect it deserves do the same five modules in a country where you don’t understand a word they’re saying, its so ‘in your face’ ladies and gentlemen that the entire entourage from the ‘Bruxelles boys’ down to the ‘barrow boys’ flogging this crap that they are making monkeys of you all.
- Applauds *
I was just reading something about how the FTA is getting increased calls from members checking up on things due to drivers they’ve sent on DCPC coming back with incorrect information and the more I think about it the more I think that the issue of the training being of a poor quality might actually be of benefit to individuals having to arrange and pay for this training privately themselves.
When a company arranges the training it’s business to business and they get the vat back and all that. When you do it yourself as a private individual I actually think it’s likely that they cannot remove all the standard consumer protection rights and I think this is a massive flaw in the way they’ve decided to deliver this training. If it was a public body like VOSA or the DSA doing it for a fixed fee or all interaction was business to business it would be different but it’s not. Private individuals paying after tax wages to businesses in return for a service are consumers.
Consequently you’ll enjoy full consumer rights. So I think, if you sat through all the modules and the upload has been done, and you subsequently realise information from the course was either incorrect or the training was just not adequate you could claim a refund from the training provider. If they refused you could cheaply take them to the small claims court and see what a judge thinks of them peddling shoddy or incorrect material for, what is, quite a high retail price.
The beauty of it is once you’ve got your money back I don’t see how it would be possible they could take the training hours off you. So, ok you’ve had to sit through 35 hours of drivel but if some of it (seemingly very likely) turns out to be incorrect drivel your tea and biscuits really are free.