As the title suggests, I am referring to the complaints by Peter Smyth about drivers taking dodgy cpc hours via the brown envelope route rather than pay him for a course.
I can’t remember seeing the reviews after that course either.
anyways, simple question to all these ‘I’m not doing this DCPC crap’ drivers. … If you were offered a DQC for a fee without attending, would this change your opinion and would it keep you in the game?
Also to anyone else who has to do the cpc without it being paid for by your company, would you rather take the easy route?
I can’t stand the cpc… i have taken 3 days of the ■■■■ and every time i have been told wrong information and bored shirtless every time.
I don’t believe it will be scrapped but i for one would snap a man’s hand off if offered the brown envelope card.
I haven’t decided if I’ll be doing the other 28 hours I need yet, but if I decide to pay the piper I would have no hesitation in taking the most cost effective route available to me.
If I’m going to be robbed anyway I might as well hang on to as much of my money as I can.
tachograph:
I haven’t decided if I’ll be doing the other 28 hours I need yet, but if I decide to pay the piper I would have no hesitation in taking the most cost effective route available to me.
If I’m going to be robbed anyway I might as well hang on to as much of my money as I can.
It’s not all about cost. As a night driver it would really mess my routine up and will cost me a fortune in lost work
Brown envelope every time, that’s how our country runs, when I was on tippers in London I used to deliver these envelopes to the landfills we used (and claimed my free go of the blade)
Sitting in a room with a bunch of intellectually challenged human beings is one of the reasons for not yet doing my DCPC, there are many others…But that is one of them.
I have tried the brown envelope and so far have not been able to catch the bait
So yes…I would pay to have my DCPC and not attend the course.
I would go down the brown way as well.I have my card and have watched youtube videos which I had already seen on my own machine.I have sung Nellie the Elephant while giving CPR to a doll and been told about the trainers child care arrangements.(She bought a house close to where her mum stays).Well ho-Hum thats me fully trained and ready for anything.
tachograph:
I haven’t decided if I’ll be doing the other 28 hours I need yet, but if I decide to pay the piper I would have no hesitation in taking the most cost effective route available to me.
If I’m going to be robbed anyway I might as well hang on to as much of my money as I can.
It’s not all about cost. As a night driver it would really mess my routine up and will cost me a fortune in lost work
Which makes it about cost, cost of the course, cost of lost wages ec’t.
Brown envelope would win everytime, it’s a no brainer really, Why would anyone want to loose out twice ? plus the brown envelope route would most likely be a cheaper option too, My problem is finding such a DCPC option
There’ll be loads of them at it eventually when the initial rush is over demand will drop off a cliff and the training co’s will still have bills to pay so it’s inevitable. The DSA have already admitted there is massive over-provision of DCPC training businesses for an ongoing basis so it’s going to get cut throat out there - there’s also an issue with quality as in VOSA/DSA/JAUPTS fear that the thing could fall over due to insufficient training provision I thing there’s a strong likelihood they have overlooked quality in favour of quantity.
There’s an unfairness between those that have to pay for it themselves and those that get it laid on by their employer. The job centre is probably going to end up with a massive bill for it, to get the jobless drivers back into work where it’s lapsed, so it might end up being reformed at that point.
Most of the ‘it won’t be dropped’ only comes from either training industry vested interests or the usual government body, keen to expand their remit, and justify their existence.
If you are funding this from your own pocket and will lose work/income whilst attending these courses look at what has happened with fitters and mechanics. These training vested interests frightened them into paying for training with a self-serving and incorrect interpretation of the legislation. None of these poor folk that were harrassed into wasting their time and money on training irrelevant to them will be getting a refund and who in this economy can afford that.
att:
Sitting in a room with a bunch of intellectually challenged human beings is one of the reasons for not yet doing my DCPC, there are many others…But that is one of them.
I have tried the brown envelope and so far have not been able to catch the bait
So yes…I would pay to have my DCPC and not attend the course.
The whole shibang of it being repeated every 5 yrs is pure nonsense too, The only thing that a driver would need to know would be any changes to the drivers hours or other regulation that would affect them, it should be a re fresher course of 2-3hrs tops none of this 35hrs bull, same as in other professions , the whole DCPC was set up in such a way that it would be lucrative for those who wanted to provide training ,and the dsa or who ever the upload fees go to,
Guys be a little bit sensible and not name any company and accuse them of passing out bribes- I got better things to do than go to court because folks post without thinking - some posts have been removed- do not repost them
I didnt take the Offer of our Agency £30.- a day. But i took a Day at Mercedes for £90.- plus Vat which is £108.- in Total for that Day,and as the Lad is comfident and you really learn anything i will do some more day’s with them
att:
Sitting in a room with a bunch of intellectually challenged human beings is one of the reasons for not yet doing my DCPC, there are many others…But that is one of them.
I have tried the brown envelope and so far have not been able to catch the bait
So yes…I would pay to have my DCPC and not attend the course.
So you haven’t yet attended one day yet feel fully qualified to judge the attendees?
Last Thursday I sat in a room all day with just 3 other guys, all of whom were thoroughly nice blokes, interesting to chat with, had interesting, successful occupations and/or former/current business interests. What we had in common is that we all chose to drive trucks (or in one case coaches) on a part time basis. The trainer was very knowledgeable and delivered the course material in a clear, interesting and non condescending fashion. Thanks Peter.
All in all a most enjoyable day. Thanks Phil, Mike & Roger, it was a pleasure to meet you.
(any names resembling user names here are purely coincidental)
If it means not watching 4 hours of youtube videos of lorries hitting bridges, not being shown how to climb into a cab which I have done thousands of incident free times, and not messing up my nightshift pattern, then yes, I’d pay and not attend. From my 2 days so far I’ve learnt nothing that I didn’t already know.
You go down the bent road which many have already done. Ie short attendance like 3 hours then done ,these places have been raided by jaupt who do use undercover attendees .once found out you will be stripped of any hours gained along with a large fine and end up in court for fraud. Then try getting a job. I was offered the bent route and decided just as cheap to do it for real albeit dull and boring . Better not to be looking over your shoulder all the time ,remember you could have the card a year then somebody at the bent route gets found out then they come for everyone who was uploaded to database !!! IS IT WORTH IT
