I don’t know if this as been talked about on here ( as I’m using my phone and it’s not coming up with anything in the surch bar) but what are your thoughts about it. I now believe they have booked week long strike in September October November and December. From what limited info I have read on the news there unhappy about the pay and the government wanting 24/7 nhs care so will involve working weekends at no extra pay from what they was on. (Monday to Friday I believe)
I think good on for them and I they get it who says us truck drivers shouldn’t go on strike n we get our worth. I dare bet you they will pay us 1st because no matter who you are you will always need something that’s on a truck. If we went on strike for a two days the food shortages n petrol would then effect everyone. The government doesn’t use nhs doctors and only if your in need of one will it bother you.
Now what are your thoughts, do you think we will get flip flop doctors in along with the tea towel hear wearing ones and or doctors with limps■■?
Don’t get me wrong I’m all for standing up for your working conditions etc but this is life and death we are talking about . It could be your kids, wife, mother, father etc that needs to,go into hospital whilst these week long strikes are taking place!
How would you feel if you found out the worst had happened because of the lack of doctors on duty at the time your loved one has been admitted and needs essential care?
It doesn’t get much more serious in life than that really does it!
If they don’t like the profession and its conditions then leave.
Don’t forget these are junior doctors they have only been in the game a short while and already demanding what they do.
Unfortunately people’s life’s are effected by their actions.
A truck driver goes on strike and maybe some goods don’t get delivered. A doctor does and you could die!!!
From what I believe a “junior doctor” is a doctor that isn’t a specialist, ie gp surgeon or a consultant. They can be and lots have been junior doctors for years. Some there whole career. And as for emergency I do believe they are still being continued. It’s like when the firemen go on strike they save your house but then let your house burn down or leave your cat stuck up a tree.
Evil8Beezle:
As I understand it, emergency care has never been affected during the strikes!
You don’t understand it very well then Evil ( nothing new there some might say) they have announced during the week long strikes they they will not cover emergency care!
Evil8Beezle:
As I understand it, emergency care has never been affected during the strikes!
You don’t understand it very well then Evil ( nothing new there some might say) they have announced during the week long strikes they they will not cover emergency care!
Or you’re just gullible enough to lap up the media coverage promoted by the government…
Since the 80’s the Government no matter which party has ridden roughshod over the working classes and treated them with contempt. Terms and conditions that had been fought for over many decades were suddenly taken away and replaced with zero hours contracts and job INsecurity.
This strike is because the posh Eton boys have decided to impose a new contract on the doctors, no consultation, no sitting around a table, just simply telling them that they’ll from now on work more for less.
I don’t believe in striking for striking so sake but do believe passionately that standing united shoulder to shoulder will hammer home the message that enough is enough and I for one wish the doctors all the very best in this matter.
yorkielee:
From what I believe a “junior doctor” is a doctor that isn’t a specialist, ie gp surgeon or a consultant. They can be and lots have been junior doctors for years. Some there whole career. And as for emergency I do believe they are still being continued.
The importance and role of ‘junior’ doctors shouldn’t be under estimated.IE if you’re in a hospital ward and a nurse calls for a hospital doctor for whatever reason,or arrive in A and E,it’ll probably be a ‘junior’ doctor who decides what’s needed at that point not a consultant.They also work relatively silly hours.
On that note it’s obvious that the whole issue is about tired over worked,if even available when needed,doctors potentially making the wrong calls and the government trying to run a health service on the cheap to save employers paying the real costs of a proper decent fit for purpose health service.In which a first class 24/7 service is being compromised because it isn’t prepared to pay enough doctors a decent wage to make it work ideally in the form of a 3 shifts of 8 hours 7day week operation.In which case the idea that patients are at risk if they get ill at weekends or overnights isn’t scaremongering.
While the government is just trying to deal with that problem a cheaply as possible as usual by making as few doctors as possible,provide as much cover as possible,for as many hours and as little wages as possible.
Evil8Beezle:
As I understand it, emergency care has never been affected during the strikes!
You don’t understand it very well then Evil ( nothing new there some might say) they have announced during the week long strikes they they will not cover emergency care!
Or you’re just gullible enough to lap up the media coverage promoted by the government…
No I watched an interview with the leader of the BMA today and when asked if emergency care would be covered they said no as it will be a full withdrawal of their labour!
the maoster:
Since the 80’s the Government no matter which party has ridden roughshod over the working classes and treated them with contempt. Terms and conditions that had been fought for over many decades were suddenly taken away and replaced with zero hours contracts and job INsecurity.
This strike is because the posh Eton boys have decided to impose a new contract on the doctors, no consultation, no sitting around a table, just simply telling them that they’ll from now on work more for less.
I don’t believe in striking for striking so sake but do believe passionately that standing united shoulder to shoulder will hammer home the message that enough is enough and I for one wish the doctors all the very best in this matter.
the maoster:
but do believe passionately that standing united shoulder to shoulder will hammer home the message that enough is enough and I for one wish the doctors all the very best in this matter.
the maoster:
Since the 80’s the Government no matter which party has ridden roughshod over the working classes and treated them with contempt. Terms and conditions that had been fought for over many decades were suddenly taken away and replaced with zero hours contracts and job INsecurity.
This strike is because the posh Eton boys have decided to impose a new contract on the doctors, no consultation, no sitting around a table, just simply telling them that they’ll from now on work more for less.
I don’t believe in striking for striking so sake but do believe passionately that standing united shoulder to shoulder will hammer home the message that enough is enough and I for one wish the doctors all the very best in this matter.
Coolrider:
No I watched an interview with the leader of the BMA today and when asked if emergency care would be covered they said no as it will be a full withdrawal of their labour!
Yet that doesn’t mean there won’t be cover, it’s why they tend to give notice of impending strike action!
yorkielee:
From what I believe a “junior doctor” is a doctor that isn’t a specialist, ie gp surgeon or a consultant. They can be and lots have been junior doctors for years. Some there whole career. And as for emergency I do believe they are still being continued.
The importance and role of ‘junior’ doctors shouldn’t be under estimated.IE if you’re in a hospital ward and a nurse calls for a hospital doctor for whatever reason,or arrive in A and E,it’ll probably be a ‘junior’ doctor who decides what’s needed at that point not a consultant.They also work relatively silly hours.
On that note it’s obvious that the whole issue is about tired over worked,if even available when needed,doctors potentially making the wrong calls and the government trying to run a health service on the cheap to save employers paying the real costs of a proper decent fit for purpose health service.In which a first class 24/7 service is being compromised because it isn’t prepared to pay enough doctors a decent wage to make it work ideally in the form of a 3 shifts of 8 hours 7day week operation.In which case the idea that patients are at risk if they get ill at weekends or overnights isn’t scaremongering.
While the government is just trying to deal with that problem a cheaply as possible as usual by making as few doctors as possible,provide as much cover as possible,for as many hours and as little wages as possible.
I never said I underestimated the junior doctors, I was saying that some doctors can be junior doctors for years. Someone was suggesting they are only junior doctors in the first few years of being a doctor and my understanding is that that’s incorrect.
I fully appreciate what they do. My mum is a senior grade nurse in an NHS hospital but chooses not to progress despite being qualified and experienced to do so.
Coolrider:
No I watched an interview with the leader of the BMA today and when asked if emergency care would be covered they said no as it will be a full withdrawal of their labour!
You couldn’t make this hypocritical zb up.The government is running a second rate system if not continuously slashing health cover in real terms by closing wards and withdrawing services and closing A and E departments and ripping off staff and you blame the doctors for drawing a line and saying no more.
If they temporarily have to put patients at risk to improve that situation.At least that’s better than allowing the government to permanently keep on putting patients at risk.On a continuous basis of cost cutting to save big business paying the incomes and therefore tax revenues needed to pay for decent health provision.
Carryfast:
The importance and role of ‘junior’ doctors shouldn’t be under estimated.IE if you’re in a hospital ward and a nurse calls for a hospital doctor for whatever reason,or arrive in A and E,it’ll probably be a ‘junior’ doctor who decides what’s needed at that point not a consultant.They also work relatively silly hours.
On that note it’s obvious that the whole issue is about tired over worked,if even available when needed,doctors potentially making the wrong calls and the government trying to run a health service on the cheap to save employers paying the real costs of a proper decent fit for purpose health service.In which a first class 24/7 service is being compromised because it isn’t prepared to pay enough doctors a decent wage to make it work ideally in the form of a 3 shifts of 8 hours 7day week operation.In which case the idea that patients are at risk if they get ill at weekends or overnights isn’t scaremongering.
While the government is just trying to deal with that problem a cheaply as possible as usual by making as few doctors as possible,provide as much cover as possible,for as many hours and as little wages as possible.
Very true CF, but some people can’t see the bigger picture and are only seeing the here and now…
Woe betide them if in the future, one of their loved ones suffers a mistake of an overtired and overworked doctor!
Good on them, too many are believing the media hype and the govts stance on this… they may say there will be no cover but many will be prepared to go back if the ■■■■ hits the fan… My wife is a senior physio at a hospital and during the last few strikes the junior docs have been picketing outside but have actually kept in touch with the various depts, and have returned to help when needed…
fact is there are,nt enough junior docs to cover the proposed changes, add to this the fact that many off the doctors are already doing stupid hours, then if the changes come in the hours will increase… the knock on effect of the docs working 24/7 is also that all other depts will be needed to do the same… just isnt going to happen in a undermanned, under budgeted, seriously in debt service.
its a major step to privatization of the NHS, many NHS services are already being sold off and its not working…
dle1uk:
its a major step to privatization of the NHS, many NHS services are already being sold off and its not working…
It’s not really an issue of NHS v private in either case it’s all about whether people are earning enough money to pay for decent health care.On that note it doesn’t matter whether it’s insufficient wages to pay for a private insurance based system or insufficient wages to pay for a taxation funded one.The difference with the NHS being that the government has control over both incomes in the form of unrealistic race to the bottom minimum wage levels and it being easier to ration the health system to match.
i agree with everyone making enough money to pay for their own healthcare, but and i,m going with what my wife tells me, some of the services at the hospital have been outsourced, privatized but the companies concerned have bailed after 12 mths as its very difficult to make money out of it, this in turn as caused probs for the hospital and further expenses for the trust… £1000.s have been spent over the last 3 years in just changing letterheads on relevant paperwork… and they now have a prob with the computer system is now not compatable with the other NHS services in the trust.
Coolrider:
No I watched an interview with the leader of the BMA today and when asked if emergency care would be covered they said no as it will be a full withdrawal of their labour!
You couldn’t make this hypocritical zb up.The government is running a second rate system if not continuously slashing health cover in real terms by closing wards and withdrawing services and closing A and E departments and ripping off staff and you blame the doctors for drawing a line and saying no more.
If they temporarily have to put patients at risk to improve that situation.At least that’s better than allowing the government to permanently keep on putting patients at risk.On a continuous basis of cost cutting to save big business paying the incomes and therefore tax revenues needed to pay for decent health provision.
Every organisation is suffering cuts, armed forces, police, fire service, ambulance service, councils, education and so on. So the answer is what? All of these to go on strike?
With reference to your quote about it will be worth putting patients at risk temporarily to improve the situation then that’s fine by me. But they can do it with your family and not mine.
Incidentally the salary of a junior doctor is a lot more than all the professions I’ve mentioned above!
