Yeah dealing with poor driving that could cause a collision by doing something that really makes sure it does cause a collision is a great logic. What fine double standards 
.
Like I said before, notice in half the videos the people werenât even tailgating, the nobbers pulled in and hit the brakes. Brake checkers, in the words of the Aussie trucker âfxxxxn muppetsâ
Freight Dog:
Yeah dealing with poor driving that could cause a collision by doing something that really makes sure it does cause a collision is a great logic. What fine double standards
Iâm guessing that was aimed at me.
Usually when that happens, Iâll just back off and make more room for them. In this instance I didnât think Iâd be able to do that due to the traffic flow. When I pulled out, they were the only vehicle in that lane and they were far enough behind me to still have time and space to make adjustments to their driving without affecting anyone else.
Given the alternative was to do nothing but react after the event, Iâm adamant that I made the right call.
Captain Caveman 76:
Freight Dog:
Yeah dealing with poor driving that could cause a collision by doing something that really makes sure it does cause a collision is a great logic. What fine double standardsIâm guessing that was aimed at me.
Usually when that happens, Iâll just back off and make more room for them. In this instance I didnât think Iâd be able to do that due to the traffic flow. When I pulled out, they were the only vehicle in that lane and they were far enough behind me to still have time and space to make adjustments to their driving without affecting anyone else.
Given the alternative was to do nothing but react after the event, Iâm adamant that I made the right call.
No wasnât aimed at you mate. Didnât aim it at anyone really, just thinking about brake checkers.
Freight Dog:
Captain Caveman 76:
Freight Dog:
Yeah dealing with poor driving that could cause a collision by doing something that really makes sure it does cause a collision is a great logic. What fine double standardsIâm guessing that was aimed at me.
Usually when that happens, Iâll just back off and make more room for them. In this instance I didnât think Iâd be able to do that due to the traffic flow. When I pulled out, they were the only vehicle in that lane and they were far enough behind me to still have time and space to make adjustments to their driving without affecting anyone else.
Given the alternative was to do nothing but react after the event, Iâm adamant that I made the right call.
No wasnât aimed at you mate. Didnât aim it at anyone really, just thinking about brake checkers.
Ah, fair enough. Anti paranoia tablets not kicked in yet. Donât like taking them really, I reckon theyâre poisoned.
Agree with the brake checking though, deliberate act of stupidity with the sole aim of causing disruption.
Captain Caveman 76:
Dr Damon:
I agree this sometimes does happen (but these vehicles are not brake checking you, are they?) but I think you know that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about blatant tailgaiting which I see far more of than the scenario you give. Trouble these days is very few will ease off or slow down. Just read the previous post.Itâs a sad reflection on todayâs so called professional driver when you see the replies on here and it is no wonder we are more and more despised as the years roll by.
Anyone on here that posts something the average truck driver does not like and knows itâs wrong is called a troll.The reason lorry drivers are despised is because weâre big, slow and get in the way. Regardless of the road: city street, country road or motorway, we get in the way of car drivers.
I saw this earlier, and it typifies the attitude of many drivers.
hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ⌠ot-1179676Night after night I save peopleâs lives by anticipating the ridiculously dangerous things they are goingto do, and make space for them. The sad thing is, most of them donât actually realise what Iâve done. Had one last night, motorway coned down to one lane but traffic flowing at about 40mph. Because I was loaded Iâd left a nice big gap to the car in front. Checks my mirror and some tool is tearing down my outside trying to beat the queue and get in front of me. If they had, they would need to slam the brakes on to avoid the car in front, meaning I would have to do the same, the car behind me etc. There was plenty of time for them to adjust their speed, so I moved over and straddled the white line, blocking their progress. At the end of the roadworks, they passed me and I got the expected abuse. Some might say I was being a self appointed traffic cop, I would say I was safeguarding other road users ( including racing car driver) and my load.
Now Iâm not saying all lorry drivers are perfect drivers because Iâve saved plenty of them too, but for gods sake man, take off the blinkers. You cant lay all the problems on the roads at one set of road users.
Listen I get where you are coming from fella and I agree most car drivers do not have a clue but neither do a lot of lorry drivers and they are meant to be the professionals. We should be allowing for their mistakes (not by blocking lanes I hasten to add ) but by being courteous when safe and being tolerant of their ignorance.
I am not saying all problems are caused by lorry drivers, far from it but why do so many on here not want to talk about the tailgaters? You know captain you can almost tell who they are by the nature of their posts.
My main gripe is the big bully boys that think they have the right to intimidate who they want simply because that said vehicles speed does not suit them. They are one of the biggest dangers on our roads and the ones that damage our reputation (whats left of it) Yes car drivers drive like idiots and some get aggressive usually because some one has upset them but I like DD have never been brake checked and I reckon it is because I drive with consideration to other road users. The sooner the new proposals for offences like tailgaiting come in the better as far as I am concerned.
Dr Damon:
but why do so many on here not want to talk about the tailgaters? You know captain you can almost tell who they are by the nature of their posts.
You didnât start the post about tailgaters. You asked why people hate being brake checked.
Double standards
Two wrongs donât make a right.
Crash for cashers use it
The amateur cops are hypocrites using dangerous driving as a punishment
It takes any Potential for a crash into an actual crash.
Itâs not what the Highway Code says
Itâs not what the Highway Code says
Itâs not what the Highway Code says
It causes accidents that harm innocent parties
Often times itâs done to people who werenât tailgating (see video)
Only people who cause brake checking are the ones hitting the brakes
Oh yeah, itâs not what the Highway Code says.
Thatâs why people hate it. Excuses be damned.
Freight Dog:
Dr Damon:
but why do so many on here not want to talk about the tailgaters? You know captain you can almost tell who they are by the nature of their posts.You didnât start the post about tailgaters. You asked why people hate being brake checked.
Double standards
Two wrongs donât make a right.
Crash for cashers use it
The amateur cops are hypocrites using dangerous driving as a punishment
It takes any Potential for a crash into an actual crash.
Itâs not what the Highway Code says
Itâs not what the Highway Code says
Itâs not what the Highway Code says
It causes accidents that harm innocent parties
Often times itâs done to people who werenât tailgating (see video)
Only people who cause brake checking are the ones hitting the brakes
Oh yeah, itâs not what the Highway Code says.Thatâs why people hate it. Excuses be damned.
Thatâs what I titled my post but if you care to read it through you will see I suggested the reason why some are brake checked was because the vehicle behind was traveling too close.
I then suggested if drivers did not tailgate they may not get brake checked.
Also I know the HC states to keep a safe distance something a lot of lorry drivers and car drivers donât have a clue about hence all the multiple collisions.
IE minimum of 2 secs for an alert car driver in good conditions.
A loaded LGV needs at least double that as I am sure you know.
Dr Damon:
Freight Dog:
Dr Damon:
but why do so many on here not want to talk about the tailgaters? You know captain you can almost tell who they are by the nature of their posts.You didnât start the post about tailgaters. You asked why people hate being brake checked.
Double standards
Two wrongs donât make a right.
Crash for cashers use it
The amateur cops are hypocrites using dangerous driving as a punishment
It takes any Potential for a crash into an actual crash.
Itâs not what the Highway Code says
Itâs not what the Highway Code says
Itâs not what the Highway Code says
It causes accidents that harm innocent parties
Often times itâs done to people who werenât tailgating (see video)
Only people who cause brake checking are the ones hitting the brakes
Oh yeah, itâs not what the Highway Code says.Thatâs why people hate it. Excuses be damned.
Thatâs what I titled my post but if you care to read it through you will see I suggested the reason why some are brake checked was because the vehicle behind was traveling too close.
I then suggested if drivers did not tailgate they may not get brake checked.Also I know the HC states to keep a safe distance something a lot of lorry drivers and car drivers donât have a clue about hence all the multiple collisions.
IE minimum of 2 secs for an alert car driver in good conditions.
A loaded LGV needs at least double that as I am sure you know.
I did read it. You are justifying brake checking. People make a conscious decision to do it. No one makes them do it. They have a choice. No excuse.
In more than one occasion in the video tailgating wasnât going on, the brake checker pulled in and immediately slammed on the brakes. So a safe distance didnât protect those people. Where are you supposed to get a safe braking distance from when someone does that? Out of your back pocket?
Brake checkers strike anyone who they see as transgressing them. They cause accidents and hurt innocent people not even involved. One person in that video lost his life. Instigate killing him for driving too close. Nice morals.
Captain Caveman 76:
Night after night I save peopleâs lives by anticipating the ridiculously dangerous things they are going to do, and make space for them. The sad thing is, most of them donât actually realise what Iâve done. Had one last night, motorway coned down to one lane but traffic flowing at about 40mph. Because I was loaded Iâd left a nice big gap to the car in front. Checks my mirror and some tool is tearing down my outside trying to beat the queue and get in front of me. If they had, they would need to slam the brakes on to avoid the car in front, meaning I would have to do the same, the car behind me etc. There was plenty of time for them to adjust their speed, so I moved over and straddled the white line, blocking their progress. At the end of the roadworks, they passed me and I got the expected abuse. Some might say I was being a self appointed traffic cop, I would say I was safeguarding other road users ( including racing car driver) and my load.Now Iâm not saying all lorry drivers are perfect drivers because Iâve saved plenty of them too, but for gods sake man, take off the blinkers. You cant lay all the problems on the roads at one set of road users.
Youâre falling into the lorry driver trap of over-thinking things.
You are not âsaving livesâ by leaving a good amount of space or keeping one of the terminally stupid behind you. It is a ridiculous over-exaggeration.
No need for tailgating, if theyre in your way go past them>>> but as for stopping distances, things have moved on a little sinceâŚyoutube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
I did read it. You are justifying brake checking. People make a conscious decision to do it. No one makes them do it. They have a choice. No excuse.
I am not justifying it at all. No people do not always make a conscious decision to do it. Sometimes it is done out of fear, nerves or being a complete novice.
Some of these bullyboys seem to forget not all drivers have the confidence to drive correctly when they see an idiot in a truck tailgating them. They panic
and touch the brake sometimes.
No excuse for tailgating though. Is there?
AndrewG:
No need for tailgating, if theyre in your way go past them>>> but as for stopping distances, things have moved on a little sinceâŚyoutube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
One of your better posts Andrew. I agree but most will not overtake,same with cars. My guess is some do not even realise!
And of course brakes have improved, been involved in a few tests myself over the years. Problem is drivers have not improved.
They do not pay enough attention.The driver in that vid was definitely on the ball.
Dr Damon:
One of your better posts Andrew. I agree but most will not overtake,same with cars. My guess is some do not even realise!And of course brakes have improved, been involved in a few tests myself over the years. Problem is drivers have not improved.
They do not pay enough attention.The driver in that vid was definitely on the ball.
Christ, you just canât help spewing utter horsepiss, can you, you sad fantasist? 
A.
Dr Damon:
I did read it. You are justifying brake checking. People make a conscious decision to do it. No one makes them do it. They have a choice. No excuse.I am not justifying it at all. No people do not always make a conscious decision to do it. Sometimes it is done out of fear, nerves or being a complete novice.
Some of these bullyboys seem to forget not all drivers have the confidence to drive correctly when they see an idiot in a truck tailgating them. They panic
and touch the brake sometimes.No excuse for tailgating though. Is there?
Laughable. So to continue justifying brake checking, weâre now onto people with back to front reactions. Are these the same people who driving towards a brick wall take their feet off the brakes and speed up? If those are someoneâs reactions they shouldnât be a licence holder
âNo excuse for tailgating though. Is there?â
Still justifying brake checking thenâŚ
Seemingly realising your argument that all brake checking is caused by tailgating is flawed, you now turn your own thread into a tailgating thread. Perhaps having failed to defend brake checking, you should start a seperate thread asking why we hate tailgaters. Youâll find we do,
But, you wonât start that thread because youâre only really diverting your own thread onto tailgating because you agree with brake checking and rather than blurting it boldly out, you are using a tenuous causal factor to slip justification under the wire
And before you try and slip into the âIâm trollingâ tone further along the way, this thread isnât a trolled thread. Itâs a sensible topic with reasoned argument. Albeit faulty argument. So you canât even try and claim youâve successfully trolled your own thread rather just put in some dodgy arguments. Egg on face either way
somehow,i dont think he/they will agree with you?
if for no other reason that he/they wont get the last word,and he/they need a bit of kip before getting up early for school in the morning.
dieseldog999:
somehow,i dont think he/they will agree with you?
if for no other reason that he/they wont get the last word,and he/they need a bit of kip before getting up early for school in the morning.
I was thinking it might be an âitâ, an algorithm put in by Ricky to take away from constant satnav/tacho/pay threads
Dr Damon:
Thanks for your opinion guys. Makes a change from the usual guff.Snowman, you say brake checking is wrong and I totally agree but like most you fail to mention how dangerous tailgating is and I still say that causes drivers to brake.
Anyway difference of opinion.
as always, it often takes two to tango. When an idiot tailgaiting trucker does it to an idiotic reactionary car driver then something going to happen. I would guess theyâre often as bad as each other, however I would award more darwin points to the clown who picks a fight with something 40x his size.
The most serious one I ever had, (load shifted) my crime was to hold him up on a bendy road with double whites for may be 4 or 5 miles, the overtake was full horn blasting then braked violently to a stop. A pallet broke loose and smashed into the bulkhead.
Never driven an all singing all dancing modern truck with all the electronics - can you tailgate in them ? does collision warning not have a hissy fit ? and how close can you lock ACC to the vehicle in front?
This is what can happen if you brake check.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article ⌠GREES.html
Notice the car in the middle lane braking, no doubt trying to prove a point to boy racer behind. Doesnât work out too well for them. And not a lorry in sight.
Bluey Circles:
Dr Damon:
Thanks for your opinion guys. Makes a change from the usual guff.Snowman, you say brake checking is wrong and I totally agree but like most you fail to mention how dangerous tailgating is and I still say that causes drivers to brake.
Anyway difference of opinion.as always, it often takes two to tango. When an idiot tailgaiting trucker does it to an idiotic reactionary car driver then something going to happen. I would guess theyâre often as bad as each other, however I would award more darwin points to the clown who picks a fight with something 40x his size.
The most serious one I ever had, (load shifted) my crime was to hold him up on a bendy road with double whites for may be 4 or 5 miles, the overtake was full horn blasting then braked violently to a stop. A pallet broke loose and smashed into the bulkhead.
Never driven an all singing all dancing modern truck with all the electronics - can you tailgate in them ? does collision warning not have a hissy fit ? and how close can you lock ACC to the vehicle in front?
Collision warning doesnât know whether youâre on a good surface or on ice. If on ACC and an overtaking vehicle pulls in with too short a gap, and accelerates awsy itâll take no action. If an overtaker pulls in and brakes, itâll brake your vehicle. (Iâve only driven one system). I donât how ACC would react if you tried to deliberately tailgate.
Good system if you want to watch a video or play âCandy Crushâ. Crap if you want to stay alert and drive a truck. It doesnât have to be used, and shouldnât be relied upon. Bit like SatNav I sâpose.
Edit.
Itâs possible to shorten the distance on ACC such that any speed change on lead vehicle needs a quite sharp reaction on the following vehicle.
Absolutely without any point that I can see? To have automated tailgating and stop overtakes getting in safely?
Captain Caveman 76:
This is what can happen if you brake check.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ⌠GREES.html
Notice the car in the middle lane braking, no doubt trying to prove a point to boy racer behind. Doesnât work out too well for them. And not a lorry in sight.
Yeah, saw that and thought of this thread too. Brake-checking is the worst sort of bell end monkey see monkey do to spread on the roads in recent times. Nothing another driver does justifies it.
Not sure if these have been posted but two more examples of brake checking bell ends it ended badly for - in the second case bad for others who didnât cause it
