You’ve forgotten that other reward to Filthy Party Investors from Big Business…Sunday Trading, and the associated requirement for so many workers to support its operation by incorporating Sunday into the normal working week, and all for flat rate remuneration.
Yorkshire Tramper:
Juddian:
Heading into probably the worse financial catastrophy is probably the worse time for anyone to strike.As for public service workers, different for them, they don’t have to make a profit as the govt just borrows more money for the taxpayer to fund to cover the costs.
Do i think nurses and ambulance strike should strike, no i bloody don’t those jobs require a bit more than its just another job attitude, the emergancy services should have independent panels working their pay out to compare with the private sector (including pension agreements sick cover etc) so everyone is on a level playing field, so they get the pay and hours and conditions they deserve…ie the same as they would in the private sector for skilled work.
Not much sympathy for postal workers or rail workers on strike personally, however we are not looking after our health service and this is the result of years of neglect from investment. I fully support the health workers strike and agree they should have other options rather than this. We seem to be able to find money to support the war in Ukrain as well as the hefty bill for ilegal immigrants staying in hotels.
The headline for both postal workers and rail staff is money but a big part of the grievance is changes to T’s and C’s to the benefit of the company.
The transport industry have walked all over drivers T’s and C’s for decades to the extent they are now so bad nobody wants to become a driver. Drivers should be aspiring to train driver standards not not being bothered if their standards are eroded to drivers standards.
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Munchkin:
Yorkshire Tramper:
Juddian:
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The headline for both postal workers and rail staff is money but a big part of the grievance is changes to T’s and C’s to the benefit of the company.
The transport industry have walked all over drivers T’s and C’s for decades to the extent they are now so bad nobody wants to become a driver. Drivers should be aspiring to train driver standards not not being bothered if their standards are eroded to drivers standards.Sent from my Note 13P using Tapatalk
You’d think so but not a bar of it.
Few years ago the Hoyer tanker lads were on strike, too many here calling them greedy wanted them to lose so they too joined the race to the bottom, barely a hndful of us trying to defend them and point out that each time a sector with a decent union gets a growth in terms it has a knock on effect as the better drivers on lower paid operations jump ship, its good for drivers and good for the industry as a whole.
When one of the Hoyer lads posted his shift pattern and wage slip it caused a few to realise they weren’t exactly coining it in after all, and working hells own shift pattern for the privelidge.
The RMT strikes arent about getting more pay for better off train drivers. Most drivers are in ASLEF anyway, but the Gov/press etc dont mention that very often.
RMT have “support staff” on under £22k per annum. And remember that the least skilled jobs have already been farmed out to contractors/agencies who work for less than that, using zero hours staff etc.
My daughter and son in law work for a railway company as “support staff.” They haven’t had a pay rise in 3 years.The company agreed to settle with the union a couple of months ago but was prevented from doing so by the government.
I dont have time for the RMT. When I was on the buses our depot was an RMT member. I needed some help but their answer was sorry mate your case is hopeless just take the 3points. I requested a court appearance and explained what happened to the magistrate. My case was dismissed and the cops got a mouthful. Unite I can just about tolerate them.
Royal Mail are just annoying the large customers. They wont come back and then redundancies passed by the Patchway sorting office. Its a disaster.
This kinda covers a lot of what I have been saying from the man himself.
Have a butchers, see if you agree.
youtu.be/YxXInFyUZiQ
robroy:
alamcculloch:
I see the great paradox of strike action is still with us. Only the well paid can afford the luxury of strike action, if they werent well paid they could not jeopardise a weeks pay. Teachers can down what ever tools they up, but janitors and cleaners cant afford to come out.Correct but they could ALL afford to come out a while ago, …
Until the absolute brilliant,.and very successful tactic, in the master plan by the Thatcher government, (to make the working class bend and conform.)
The selling of their council houses at bargain basement prices, … so they had commitments to deter strikes , which would result in the loss of their homes.
Better off in personal status, but by Christ they have paid for it ever since in the cost of dwindling terms and conditions in their careers since that time.Love Maggie or hate her, nobody can refute that she was a brilliant tactician and manipulator.
And the immortal line “sink the Belgrano!”
Agree or not with regards to the morality that these workers are on strike, the whole point is that they are sticking together and have decided to take strike action. If drivers did this, you can almost garantee they wouldnt stick together and the whole thing would be a shambles with scabs and crossing picket lines for the good of the company. Drivers have an odd mentality that they somehow just accept long working hours, low wages and to be responsible for everyone elses mistakes in order to keep their jobs. A sad fact but that is the way it is. No wonder so many have left the industry.
blue estate:
robroy:
alamcculloch:
I see the great paradox of strike action is still with us. Only the well paid can afford the luxury of strike action, if they werent well paid they could not jeopardise a weeks pay. Teachers can down what ever tools they up, but janitors and cleaners cant afford to come out.Correct but they could ALL afford to come out a while ago, …
Until the absolute brilliant,.and very successful tactic, in the master plan by the Thatcher government, (to make the working class bend and conform.
The selling of their council houses at bargain basement prices, … so they had commitments to deter strikes , which would result in the loss of their homes.
Better off in personal status, but by Christ they have paid for it ever since in the cost of dwindling terms and conditions in their careers since that time.Love Maggie or hate her, nobody can refute that she was a brilliant tactician and manipulator.
And the immortal line “sink the Belgrano!”
Yep…one thing she did actually get right.
She was good at showing aggressors, inferiors,.and ■■■■ takers that she/we took no ■■■■ off ANYBODY.
Wtf 's happened now ?
robroy:
She was good at showing aggressors, inferiors,.and ■■■■ takers that she/we took no [zb] off ANYBODY.
Wtf 's happened now ?
Just a set of lefty’s who are offended at every sentence you say, thats what is left behind.
The only good that came out of Thatcher is she would never privatise Royal Mail.
What is happening at Royal Mail now is just corporate greed.
They are getting rid of (To start with) 10,000 and replace them with new entrants on less money, less t and c’s, more hours and unpaid breaks.
They want to make the conduct code easier to be able to sack people.
They want to pay you less for VR.
They want to worsen our sick pay.
Parcel Force from now on will only employ Owner drivers.
They want to move the whole operation up to 3 hours later.
They want the Union to only consult with them.
They want annualised hours in delivery, ie… no overtime.
I can go on and on.
As you can see I haven’t even mentioned pay until now, which is all they talk about in the media, ie… Those Greedy Postmen and women.
We all need to stand together. If they can win against a workforce who have 115,000 Union members, then we’re all knackered.
The amount of drivers from various companies who have crossed our picket line is embarrassing. Some giving it the big I am.
A big thank you to the Colas driver and the Delivery group driver who refused and the numerous vans who have turned around.
sweepster:
The only good that came out of Thatcher is she would never privatise Royal Mail.
What is happening at Royal Mail now is just corporate greed.
They are getting rid of (To start with) 10,000 and replace them with new entrants on less money, less t and c’s, more hours and unpaid breaks.
They want to make the conduct code easier to be able to sack people.
They want to pay you less for VR.
They want to worsen our sick pay.
Parcel Force from now on will only employ Owner drivers.
They want to move the whole operation up to 3 hours later.
They want the Union to only consult with them.
They want annualised hours in delivery, ie… no overtime.
I can go on and on.
As you can see I haven’t even mentioned pay until now, which is all they talk about in the media, ie… Those Greedy Postmen and women.
We all need to stand together. If they can win against a workforce who have 115,000 Union members, then they’ll crush everyone else.
The amount of drivers from various companies who have crossed our picket line is embarrassing. Some giving it the big I am.
A big thank you to the Colas driver and The delivery group driver who refused and the numerous vans who have turned around.
What you list was all part of the plan I was on about to reduce the power of Unions and eventually eradicate them by whatever method, to stop any resistance to ruthless and unfair terms towards the working man…or person.
You have to remember a ‘‘union’’ in the literal sense is a joining together of a group of like minded people, or workers, to maintain their fair working conditions., it becomes a ‘Trade Union’ when that ‘union’.or group , is ran and taken over by an official organised body
So all these clowns who bad mouth the ‘unions’ are bad mouthing people in the same boat as themselves, just like themselves.
(Not trying to patronise here btw,.I know the more astute amongst us already understood all that.)
Anyway best of luck with your fight mate.
I just wish people in this job had the stomach (and the balls) for a bit of ‘union’ and solidarity towards getting rid of all the crap and ■■■■■■■■■ in this game. 
Juddian:
Do i think nurses and ambulance strike should strike, no i bloody don’t those jobs require a bit more than its just another job attitude, the emergancy services should have independent panels working their pay out to compare with the private sector (including pension agreements sick cover etc) so everyone is on a level playing field, so they get the pay and hours and conditions they deserve…ie the same as they would in the private sector for skilled work.
I think you will find that generally nurses & ambulance staff will agree with you that they shouldn’t be striking, but feel completely backed into a corner & devoid of any other option. The fact NHS staff are voting to strike illustrates how bad things have got & how completely ignored by the government they feel.
Nobody gets into front line NHS to become wealthy, these people care deeply about wanting to provide a good service for patients. They feel unable to do that. I back them 100% and it makes me sick how the gutter media are trying to turn the public against them by painting them as greedy money grabbers, it makes me more confident than ever that i’m on the right side of the arguement.
They want as far as possible to get most jobs into the gig economy. No loyalty from either side. The worker will be no more than a UNIT . Uber comes to mind. Imagine each time you return to base ,go to office and have to ask, “do you want me to morrow”?
alamcculloch:
They want as far as possible to get most jobs into the gig economy. No loyalty from either side. The worker will be no more than a UNIT . Uber comes to mind. Imagine each time you return to base ,go to office and have to ask, “do you want me to morrow”?
A more modern example of the type of thing that urged the formation of Trade Unions in the first place, all those years ago by our Grandfathers,. to fight to try (and succeed) to get workers some fairness and rights…
What goes around comes around eh?.
robroy:
A more modern example of the type of thing that urged the formation of Trade Unions in the first place, all those years ago by our Grandfathers,. to fight to try (and succeed) to get workers some fairness and rights…
What goes around comes around eh?.
You speak as though the Unions are now dead in the water. They are still strong in other areas of work, not in haulage so much because unless the majority of the workforce is unionist then it doesnt work. The union is only as strong as its members. Why do you think half of the country is on strike at the moment. Lorry Drivers are weak and conditioned to be shafted whereas other areas of industry are not so stupid. Now may not be the time for strikes as Juddian quoted, however we are about to enter a decade at the very least of recession. So when do they wait to strike? Another 10 years until the economy grows from those who continue to work crazy shifts in order to keep their jobs. The haulage companys either put up their rates to compensate for the additional wage bill and take a reduced profit margin or keep as they are, working on a shoe string and hope enough drivers accept their T&Cs and just get on with it. Either way the chances of a lot of these haulliers will not be able to ride out a 10 year recession regardless. So they put up their rates but save money by not increasing their wage bill, putting their problems onto the drivers is not the answer. Although I bet there will be plenty of willing lambs for them to sacrifice.
Honestly, I would never join a Union.
Because if I spent my entire career working as a HGV driver I would of considered it a failure on my part.
So, I see HGV driving as more of a job of necessity. I do driving to pay the bills and to work towards my goals. When I do not like a job I find another one. I do not ■■■■ about with Unions. I am sure they have their uses for the lifers though.
Longest I have ever worked at a place was prob 3-5 years and that was far too long. Got stuck in a rut.
sweepster:
The only good that came out of Thatcher is she would never privatise Royal Mail.
What is happening at Royal Mail now is just corporate greed.
They are getting rid of (To start with) 10,000 and replace them with new entrants on less money, less t and c’s, more hours and unpaid breaks.
They want to make the conduct code easier to be able to sack people.
They want to pay you less for VR.
They want to worsen our sick pay.
Parcel Force from now on will only employ Owner drivers.
They want to move the whole operation up to 3 hours later.
They want the Union to only consult with them.
They want annualised hours in delivery, ie… no overtime.
I can go on and on.
As you can see I haven’t even mentioned pay until now, which is all they talk about in the media, ie… Those Greedy Postmen and women.
We all need to stand together. If they can win against a workforce who have 115,000 Union members, then we’re all knackered.
The amount of drivers from various companies who have crossed our picket line is embarrassing. Some giving it the big I am.
A big thank you to the Colas driver and the Delivery group driver who refused and the numerous vans who have turned around.
I read a report a few weeks ago which stated that the chairman of royal Mail was awarded a bonus of £142,000.Is that true ? Outrageous if it is.