Gidders:
I read a report a few weeks ago which stated that the chairman of royal Mail was awarded a bonus of £142,000.Is that true ? Outrageous if it is.
Yes it was on the news, it brought his wages up to £750,000 this year. Not too bad is it.
Well royal mail are not exactly great.
Royal mail workers get paid significantly more than Amazon workers and provide a much worse service.
Whenever I order from Amazon I get next day delivery heck sometimes same day with tracking.
With royal mail you just never know.
Yorkshire Tramper:
robroy:
A more modern example of the type of thing that urged the formation of Trade Unions in the first place, all those years ago by our Grandfathers,. to fight to try (and succeed) to get workers some fairness and rights…
What goes around comes around eh?.You speak as though the Unions are now dead in the water. They are still strong in other areas of work, not in haulage so much because unless the majority of the workforce is unionist then it doesnt work. The union is only as strong as its members. Why do you think half of the country is on strike at the moment. Lorry Drivers are weak and conditioned to be shafted whereas other areas of industry are not so stupid. Now may not be the time for strikes as Juddian quoted, however we are about to enter a decade at the very least of recession. So when do they wait to strike? Another 10 years until the economy grows from those who continue to work crazy shifts in order to keep their jobs. The haulage companys either put up their rates to compensate for the additional wage bill and take a reduced profit margin or keep as they are, working on a shoe string and hope enough drivers accept their T&Cs and just get on with it. Either way the chances of a lot of these haulliers will not be able to ride out a 10 year recession regardless. So they put up their rates but save money by not increasing their wage bill, putting their problems onto the drivers is not the answer. Although I bet there will be plenty of willing lambs for them to sacrifice.
And you.are telling ME all this?? 
Ok thanks mate, but please do NOT tell me that Santa ain’t real as well ffs.
adam277:
Well royal mail are not exactly great.
Royal mail workers get paid significantly more than Amazon workers and provide a much worse service.Whenever I order from Amazon I get next day delivery heck sometimes same day with tracking.
With royal mail you just never know.
Have you heard about the working conditions of Amazon van delivery drivers,?
I know nobody forces them to work there, but they literally have no time to even stop for a ■■■■■
I.was talking to one Amazon lad, I opened the door to him just as he was walking out of the gate.
He had left ipackage in my shed, and after apologising,.I told him I heard him knock,.and was on the way to answer the door anyway.
He told me the guidelines (official or unofficial) are if there is no answer count to 10,.and leave parcel in shed,.get to hell out asap.
After him saying ‘‘Cheers can’t hang about.’’ ,.he RAN back to van and sped off to next job.
Stress personified. 
Just thought,.doesn’t Luke on here do Amazon on his van?
Maybe he can enlighten us.
robroy:
adam277:
Well royal mail are not exactly great.
Royal mail workers get paid significantly more than Amazon workers and provide a much worse service.Whenever I order from Amazon I get next day delivery heck sometimes same day with tracking.
With royal mail you just never know.Have you heard about the working conditions of Amazon van delivery drivers,?
I know nobody forces them to work there, but they literally have no time to even stop for a ■■■■.
I.was talking to one Amazon lad, I opened the door to him just as he was walking out of the gate.
He had left ipackage in my shed, and after apologising,.I told him I heard him knock,.and was on the way to answer the door anyway.
He told me the guidelines (official or unofficial) are if there is no answer count to 10,.and leave parcel in shed,.get to hell out asap.
After him saying ‘‘Cheers can’t hang about.’’ ,.he RAN back to van and sped off to next job.
Stress personified.Just thought,.doesn’t Luke on here do Amazon on his van?
Maybe he can enlighten us.
Compared to the Royal Mail lot who I often see just chatting in their van. The average age seems to be a lot higher for the average RM worker as well. They do not exactly rush. 
It’s a capitalist system. Consumers want fast efficient deliveries. Royal Mail can strike all they want but they must surely know they need a radical reorganization if they want to stay competitive. If they want more pay they are gonna have to work just as hard as what is typical in the industries these days. They can not have the same work ethnic as of the 80s anymore lol.
I haven’t done mail delivery for the Royal Mail in a while but I remember it being inefficient as hell.
They already have above industry standard pay to be honest lol and they rejected a 9% pay rise? lmao.
I can see Royal Mail going the way of the Dodo.
adam277:
[If they want more pay they are gonna have to work just as hard as what is typical in the industries these days.
In other words, a race to the bottom!
Next time you get an Amazon delivery id wager it isnt the same driver. They churn through drivers like no tomorrow as its all stress and low pay. Nearly every van driver is foreign, probably lured in by the lies of making a killing.
The Amazon way of workforce relations is not the way forward and certainly shouldnt be held as a shining beacon.
msgyorkie:
adam277:
[If they want more pay they are gonna have to work just as hard as what is typical in the industries these days.In other words, a race to the bottom!
Next time you get an Amazon delivery id wager it isnt the same driver. They churn through drivers like no tomorrow as its all stress and low pay. Nearly every van driver is foreign, probably lured in by the lies of making a killing.
The Amazon way of workforce relations is not the way forward and certainly shouldnt be held as a shining beacon.
But it will be normal practice unless people wake up.
I know I keep banging on about it, but as I said before, this is a modern version of the type of reasons trade Unions started and were needed in the first place.
Unscrupulous and exploitative mill owners and mine owners, abusing their workforces, terrible tems and conditions, no breaks, no paid holidays, dangerous practices etc.
robroy:
Yorkshire Tramper:
robroy:
A more modern example of the type of thing that urged the formation of Trade Unions in the first place, all those years ago by our Grandfathers,. to fight to try (and succeed) to get workers some fairness and rights…
What goes around comes around eh?.You speak as though the Unions are now dead in the water. They are still strong in other areas of work, not in haulage so much because unless the majority of the workforce is unionist then it doesnt work. The union is only as strong as its members. Why do you think half of the country is on strike at the moment. Lorry Drivers are weak and conditioned to be shafted whereas other areas of industry are not so stupid. Now may not be the time for strikes as Juddian quoted, however we are about to enter a decade at the very least of recession. So when do they wait to strike? Another 10 years until the economy grows from those who continue to work crazy shifts in order to keep their jobs. The haulage companys either put up their rates to compensate for the additional wage bill and take a reduced profit margin or keep as they are, working on a shoe string and hope enough drivers accept their T&Cs and just get on with it. Either way the chances of a lot of these haulliers will not be able to ride out a 10 year recession regardless. So they put up their rates but save money by not increasing their wage bill, putting their problems onto the drivers is not the answer. Although I bet there will be plenty of willing lambs for them to sacrifice.
And you.are telling ME all this??
Ok thanks mate, but please do NOT tell me that Santa ain’t real as well ffs.
Ho ho ho Santa is still with us and very much real. Sorry the way this sounded to you mate. your probably one of the least drivers that would accept the bs that a lot of the drivers will. Personally for me, like lots of others I just got out of it and have walked away. Cannot be bothered to take anymore of it as nothing is getting any better. This isn’t the job I signed up for in the beginning and the drivers have definately changed over the years. Frustrated and disillusioned are a couple of my feelings.
Yorkshire Tramper:
robroy:
Yorkshire Tramper:
robroy:
A more modern example of the type of thing that urged the formation of Trade Unions in the first place, all those years ago by our Grandfathers,. to fight to try (and succeed) to get workers some fairness and rights…
What goes around comes around eh?.You speak as though the Unions are now dead in the water. They are still strong in other areas of work, not in haulage so much because unless the majority of the workforce is unionist then it doesnt work. The union is only as strong as its members. Why do you think half of the country is on strike at the moment. Lorry Drivers are weak and conditioned to be shafted whereas other areas of industry are not so stupid. Now may not be the time for strikes as Juddian quoted, however we are about to enter a decade at the very least of recession. So when do they wait to strike? Another 10 years until the economy grows from those who continue to work crazy shifts in order to keep their jobs. The haulage companys either put up their rates to compensate for the additional wage bill and take a reduced profit margin or keep as they are, working on a shoe string and hope enough drivers accept their T&Cs and just get on with it. Either way the chances of a lot of these haulliers will not be able to ride out a 10 year recession regardless. So they put up their rates but save money by not increasing their wage bill, putting their problems onto the drivers is not the answer. Although I bet there will be plenty of willing lambs for them to sacrifice.
And you.are telling ME all this??
Ok thanks mate, but please do NOT tell me that Santa ain’t real as well ffs.
Ho ho ho Santa is still with us and very much real. Sorry the way this sounded to you mate. your probably one of the least drivers that would accept the bs that a lot of the drivers will. Personally for me, like lots of others I just got out of it and have walked away. Cannot be bothered to take anymore of it as nothing is getting any better. This isn’t the job I signed up for in the beginning and the drivers have definately changed over the years. Frustrated and disillusioned are a couple of my feelings.
Phew, pleased about that,.I’ve sent him my list, been a good boy all year (most of the time anyway ) and everything.
Way things are now mate,.as I have said many times on here. if working for a non Union firm, and if you get no backing from other drivers, the best way to deal with it is to just field all the b/s and look after number one by making the best of things for YOU. 
I ain’t any different nor any better than anybody else, you would be amazed at how much,.and what types of crap I have bent over for, and took in order to keep a job that I like, so I give it a 100 % to keep it, (but at the same time not being the biggest fan of the firm I work for.)
However how I deal with it is, just try and ‘win’ in my own way, and on the whole most of the time I have managed that, and if they think they have won everybody is happy .
Winning by appearing to lose’’ as my wise old Granda used to instil into me, and ‘Beating them with their own stick’ as a mate of mine puts it.
You are deadly accurate at how drivers have changed, the older guys that I used to look up to when I was a newbie, were a different breed.
I still see some of the older long retired guys,.always buy them a pint in the pub, fir helping me in those days,.and when I tell them some if the absolute ■■■■ takes we have to out up with these days, they can not believe it.
Anyhow need to get off this ■■■■ phone …I’m,.waiting for 2 daughters picking me up to go on shopping trip and lunch out…so off to find my wallet and cards.
adam277:
Honestly, I would never join a Union.Because if I spent my entire career working as a HGV driver I would of considered it a failure on my part.
So, I see HGV driving as more of a job of necessity. I do driving to pay the bills and to work towards my goals. When I do not like a job I find another one. I do not ■■■■ about with Unions. I am sure they have their uses for the lifers though.Longest I have ever worked at a place was prob 3-5 years and that was far too long. Got stuck in a rut.
This is very much my attitude to working as a lorry driver. It’s a job, something changes and it doesn’t suit you anymore, leave, find another one.
None of them are worth fighting for, after all, once they’re done with you, your out regardless.
I have been in unions and apart from one job who’s shop steward was totally focused on onsite matters only, the rest have been a complete waste of time and my money. The few times when I and indeed, my wife needed them, they completely let us down.
Might just be a coincidence but four jobs I had with strong unions, all got sold on.
I think if there was a union …I do not mean like the TGWU and it was solid then we could wave goodby to 15 hour spread and the nights out on industrial estates ,we could also demand more money for all the spy stuff…and paying for damage ect…Talk and play ball or we stop …it would only take 48 hours at most ,make the train drivers strike look like a joke.I know it will never happen we are all take 
If you work for a big outfit the union will be interested in helping you. A lot of us work as part of a small work force so we are quite fragmented. The union wont break sweat for just a few drivers.
adam277:
robroy:
adam277:
Well royal mail are not exactly great.
Royal mail workers get paid significantly more than Amazon workers and provide a much worse service.Whenever I order from Amazon I get next day delivery heck sometimes same day with tracking.
With royal mail you just never know.Have you heard about the working conditions of Amazon van delivery drivers,?
I know nobody forces them to work there, but they literally have no time to even stop for a ■■■■.
I.was talking to one Amazon lad, I opened the door to him just as he was walking out of the gate.
He had left ipackage in my shed, and after apologising,.I told him I heard him knock,.and was on the way to answer the door anyway.
He told me the guidelines (official or unofficial) are if there is no answer count to 10,.and leave parcel in shed,.get to hell out asap.
After him saying ‘‘Cheers can’t hang about.’’ ,.he RAN back to van and sped off to next job.
Stress personified.Just thought,.doesn’t Luke on here do Amazon on his van?
Maybe he can enlighten us.Compared to the Royal Mail lot who I often see just chatting in their van. The average age seems to be a lot higher for the average RM worker as well. They do not exactly rush.
It’s a capitalist system. Consumers want fast efficient deliveries. Royal Mail can strike all they want but they must surely know they need a radical reorganization if they want to stay competitive. If they want more pay they are gonna have to work just as hard as what is typical in the industries these days. They can not have the same work ethnic as of the 80s anymore lol.
I haven’t done mail delivery for the Royal Mail in a while but I remember it being inefficient as hell.
They already have above industry standard pay to be honest lol and they rejected a 9% pay rise? lmao.
I can see Royal Mail going the way of the Dodo.
I can see why you don’t join a Union as you change jobs every few years. This is the new norm and the reason why a lot of people have poor pay and t and c’s as when conflict arrives you move on.
With Royal Mail, people stay. I have over 30 year’s and there are still a lot more senior than me within my office.
We have constantly changed our working practices over the years, but we will not be dragged down to the gig economy.
Every worker needs to wake up and realise what is happening. We have to protect the young workers, get them involved and educate them. If we don’t, I hate to think what will happen when my generation (50’s) have retired.
I see you mentioned the 9% pay rise that the media keep on about. I can tell you as a Royal Mail employee that is not true. Did you know last year Lorry drivers earned more than Solicitors and Doctors 
. I also believe according to the media, so it must be true, that Delivery Postmen earn over £48,000 a year.
You also mentioned about Amazon and the like are so much better than Royal Mail. Have you ever stopped to speak to the driver about how they get treated, how much they earn and do they have ANY proper t and c’s?
sweepster:
Every worker needs to wake up and realise what is happening.
We have to protect the young workers, get them involved and educate them. If we don’t, I hate to think what will happen when my generation (50’s) have retired.
They need to wake up eh?..Aye right, …
A lot of guys I see, and also who I work with would not wake up if you stuck a lit firework rocket up their arses.
Apathy, and serial conformity seems to be the order of the day with too many.
As for the young workers, …they too will be influenced by these sorry arsed ■■■■ s, so I don’t bear much hope.
Unlike guys our age range, who remember when things were different, the young lads starting out know nothing else, it is normal for them to be micro managed, dished out with unfairness and injustices, and to just accept them.
So unless down the line history repeats it’s self.and groups emerge and speak out saying enough is enough,.the race to the bottom will be won even sooner I reckon…
robroy:
adam277:
Well royal mail are not exactly great.
Royal mail workers get paid significantly more than Amazon workers and provide a much worse service.Whenever I order from Amazon I get next day delivery heck sometimes same day with tracking.
With royal mail you just never know.Have you heard about the working conditions of Amazon van delivery drivers,?
I know nobody forces them to work there, but they literally have no time to even stop for a ■■■■.
I.was talking to one Amazon lad, I opened the door to him just as he was walking out of the gate.
He had left ipackage in my shed, and after apologising,.I told him I heard him knock,.and was on the way to answer the door anyway.
He told me the guidelines (official or unofficial) are if there is no answer count to 10,.and leave parcel in shed,.get to hell out asap.
After him saying ‘‘Cheers can’t hang about.’’ ,.he RAN back to van and sped off to next job.
Stress personified.Just thought,.doesn’t Luke on here do Amazon on his van?
Maybe he can enlighten us.
Yodel, but for a subby, Jans Haulage in Aberystwyth which I walked out on on Sunday when the boss proceeded to give me a dressing down in an office full of people because I didn’t do enough drops on Saturday. I spent the day sliding around on ice that’s why. Did laugh tho as as I was walking out the door he said ‘if you go home now don’t come back’ to which I replied that’s sort of the point Never walked out on a job before but never worked for anyone that bad either, shockingly awful employer! Laziest muppet I’ve ever worked for too.
Anyway early on on parcels you either learn that you can’t wait for people to answer the door or you take much much longer. Even someone taking an extra 30 seconds to answer door x100 adds almost an hour to the day.
^^^^^
So I take it you ain’t got your HGV licence back then Luke?
Why the big hold up exactly?..what I mean is have they gave you any sort of an explanation…
Don’t blame you walking away btw,.I too have a low tolerance threshold towards pricks like the guy you mention 
…You’re probably the only one who has ever stood up to him,.and you’ll know more about driving, delivering,.and trucks than he ever will.
So what’s the plan now then?
Thank you. Finally got to reason, because I had a serious head injury and they seem to think I had seizures, but I don’t think I did I have to wait till I’m 3 years without any sort of medical event, so it’ll be February. I’m waiting to see if I’m paid what I’m owed in January to see wether I’ll say more re Jans
A very calm, informed and concerned Mick Lynch on negotiating, the NHS, what the Filthies are planning…yes forced labour, and how they have manipulated the economy to achieve their ends. It may be nearly 30 minutes long but this is of concern to all.
adam277:
Well royal mail are not exactly great.
Royal mail workers get paid significantly more than Amazon workers and provide a much worse service.Whenever I order from Amazon I get next day delivery heck sometimes same day with tracking.
With royal mail you just never know.
Eh? You pay royal mail for next day delivery it gets there. Ive been using them 20 years, used it a thousand times and theyve never missed once. Are you just saying that because you 're tory?
The royal mail want it changed to gig economy work like amazon do - just employ anyone with a van on 40 pence a drop - less than minimum wage - if that happens lots of parcels will “go missing” just from people trying to make the job pay.
Juddian:
I think now is the wrong time for strikes, our country is suffering the results of 3 decades of ■■■■ poor government and we’re heading rapidly round the U bend, there’s going to be high numbers of redundancies anyway and striking may well have not the desired result, when the signing of new worse than before contracts may be the only way to restart after the strike is over.
We’re in unchartered territory now.Whilst i’m a big supporter of unions who on the whole have been good for ts.
Not all of the country is suffering - there were 17 billionaires in the Uk in 2010, now there are 177.