Mike-C:
Theres a big point here you’re missing or don’t understand. Driving time is defined as whats recorded by the device as driving, and not what you think it actualy is or should be or what a stopwatch says it is.
Where did you hit the ring road to get to the docks in 12 minutes?
Mike, your not understanding the point. The point is that any court who was shown evidence in the likes of a video, that a tacho shows 15 minutes after being filmed for 10 minutes real time they’d laugh it out of court. You are allowed to drive for 4 hours 30 minutes REAL TIME as per EU legislation and not for example 3 hours 47 minutes that the tacho machine makes up to 4 hours 30 mins as it pleases.
Harry Monk got it straight away.
Just for example : You put your card in and start driving straight away. You stop/start/stop/start etc and stop driving after 2.5 hours. Its impossible for you to drive for 3 hours (as a digi tacho would state) if you have only been in the truck for 2.5 hours isn’t it !
No court would even listen to the case against you if you proved the major flaw like this.
The newer tacho’s do indeed only add by the second and are a whole lot better. The truck I had yesterday was 5 year old !
Kerbdog:
Mike, your not understanding the point. The point is that any court who was shown evidence in the likes of a video, that a tacho shows 15 minutes after being filmed for 10 minutes real time they’d laugh it out of court. You are allowed to drive for 4 hours 30 minutes REAL TIME as per EU legislation and not for example 3 hours 47 minutes that the tacho machine makes up to 4 hours 30 mins as it pleases.
Harry Monk got it straight away.
Just for example : You put your card in and start driving straight away. You stop/start/stop/start etc and stop driving after 2.5 hours. Its impossible for you to drive for 3 hours (as a digi tacho would state) if you have only been in the truck for 2.5 hours isn’t it !
No court would even listen to the case against you if you proved the major flaw like this.
The newer tacho’s do indeed only add by the second and are a whole lot better. The truck I had yesterday was 5 year old !
I am understanding your point. You think driving time should be the time you actually drive. I agree with you it should. I’m just saying what it actually is. Harrys example above is impossible that cannot happen i.e have a card in for 2 and half hours and it records 3 hours driving.
You never said where you joined the ring road to get to the docks in 12 minutes?
The regs say 4.5 hrs not whatever your tacho unit says.
If we went by the unit we would lose a weeks work every year.
We all work by 60 seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour… If your watch runs slow you dont get 62 minutes to an hour.
Cheggy:
The regs say 4.5 hrs not whatever your tacho unit says.
If we went by the unit we would lose a weeks work every year.
We all work by 60 seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour… If your watch runs slow you dont get 62 minutes to an hour.
4.5 as recorded by the legislated device
Gotta love how thick drivers can be, moaning about not being able to work more
Cheggy:
The regs say 4.5 hrs not whatever your tacho unit says.
The regs say 4.5 hours driving, yes you got that bit right. Now my eyesights failing a bit, read this out loud for me…thats how the regs define driving time… (j) “driving time” means the duration of driving activity recorded: - automatically or semi-automatically by the recording equipment as defined in Annex I and Annex IB of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85, or - manually as required by Article 16(2) of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85;
That looks pretty much to me like it is indeed exactly what your tacho says.
Cheggy:
If we went by the unit we would lose a weeks work every year.
We all work by 60 seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour… If your watch runs slow you dont get 62 minutes to an hour.
Sorry you’ve lost me here. If you want to work to your watch or whatever you wanna work to fine, you do it.
I’m just telling what the regulations say we should do.
Mike-C:
Theres a big point here you’re missing or don’t understand. Driving time is defined as whats recorded by the device as driving, and not what you think it actualy is or should be or what a stopwatch says it is.
Where did you hit the ring road to get to the docks in 12 minutes?
Mike, your not understanding the point. The point is that any court who was shown evidence in the likes of a video, that a tacho shows 15 minutes after being filmed for 10 minutes real time they’d laugh it out of court. You are allowed to drive for 4 hours 30 minutes REAL TIME as per EU legislation and not for example 3 hours 47 minutes that the tacho machine makes up to 4 hours 30 mins as it pleases.
For the EU regulations you’re allowed to do 4 hours 30 minutes driving time before needing a break, but as Mike said, driving time is defined as the driving activity time recorded automatically or manually by the tachograph.
‘driving time’ means the duration of driving activity
recorded:
– automatically or semi-automatically by the recording
equipment as defined in Annex I and Annex IB
of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85, or
– manually as required
Kerbdog:
The newer tacho’s do indeed only add by the second and are a whole lot better. The truck I had yesterday was 5 year old !
At the risk of seeming pedantic, the new digital tachographs record for the whole minute the activity that took up most of the minute.
If during a whole minute you recorded 25 seconds other work and 35 minutes driving it would record the whole minute as driving, if the tachograph recorded 25 seconds driving and 35 seconds other work the whole minute would be recorded as other work.
Cheggy:
The regs say 4.5 hrs not whatever your tacho unit says.
If we went by the unit we would lose a weeks work every year.
We all work by 60 seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour… If your watch runs slow you dont get 62 minutes to an hour.
4.5 as recorded by the legislated device
Gotta love how thick drivers can be, moaning about not being able to work more
Cheggy:
One thing I’ve learned on this forum is there is always someone that decides to tell you your full of sh:te, I’ve also learned they’re not worth arguing with.
Im out.
Ah, we get to the root of the problem. Try to learn more than one thing from the forum, that way you might learn how the tacho works and won’t make an arse of yourself complaining about a non existent problem.
Cheggy:
The regs say 4.5 hrs not whatever your tacho unit says.
If we went by the unit we would lose a weeks work every year.
We all work by 60 seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour… If your watch runs slow you dont get 62 minutes to an hour.
4.5 as recorded by the legislated device
Gotta love how thick drivers can be, moaning about not being able to work more
How many minutes in an hour ?
60, princess The same in a digital, analogue or atomic hour.
Well that’s on my planet, how about on yours ■■?
In a digital hour(old style), if you drive (however little) in every minute of that hour then it will record 60 minutes of driving, simples.
If you start driving 1 second before the hour and stop one second after, it will record 62 minutes. The reason being you have driven in 62 calender minutes not 60
I do luuuurve cutting and witty responses, almost as much as I love someone backing themselves into a corner and then come out fighting with nonsensical abuse rather than putting their hands up.
Darb:
So you went over 4:30 and then drove some more
Here’s a tip for you, if you drop the soap when Bubba is about then leave it exactly where it is !
For anyone to serve time at her majesties hotel you have to be PROVEN to be guilty and be BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.
It is well documented and proven that digi tachos DO NOT record time accurately thus adding doubt.
This is the point that most of you “knowledgable” drivers are missing.
Cheggy:
The regs say 4.5 hrs not whatever your tacho unit says.
If we went by the unit we would lose a weeks work every year.
We all work by 60 seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour… If your watch runs slow you dont get 62 minutes to an hour.
4.5 as recorded by the legislated device
Gotta love how thick drivers can be, moaning about not being able to work more
Tell us about it. At the end of the day hours regs are there to protect drivers from been exploited. We know at Times they can be a pita but you got to be pretty sad to want to work all the hours god sends.
Same as the clowns in the states wanting to run two log books.
I swear some people think convoy was a documentary.
billybigrig:
4.5 as recorded by the legislated device
The point being that the ‘legislated device’ would not stand up in a court of law as it doesn’t record the correct time as opposed to the one thing that defines our world / universe…TIME !
billybigrig:
If you start driving 1 second before the hour and stop one second after, it will record 62 minutes. The reason being you have driven in 62 calender minutes not 60
Yes, for one hours and 2 seconds continous driving. The point I’m making is that I stopped for several sets of traffic lights, I didn’t drive non stop, hence the addition of several minutes of driving according to the tacho which don’t exist. The law allows for 4hr 30mins of driving. I didn’t drive for 4hr 30m. The legislated device shows that I drove for more than I actually did. If I was prosecuted in a court of law and got the court to watch the whole video of me driving (which would have been less than 4hr 30mins) of their time, then they would laugh at the fact that the device shows 4hr 45mins.
Cheggy:
For anyone to serve time at her majesties hotel you have to be PROVEN to be guilty and be BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. It is well documented and proven that digi tachos DO NOT record time accurately thus adding doubt.
This is the point that most of you “knowledgable” drivers are missing.
billybigrig:
4.5 as recorded by the legislated device
The point being that the ‘legislated device’ would not stand up in a court of law as it doesn’t record the correct time as opposed to the one thing that defines our world / universe…TIME !
billybigrig:
If you start driving 1 second before the hour and stop one second after, it will record 62 minutes. The reason being you have driven in 62 calender minutes not 60
Yes, for one hours and 2 seconds continous driving. The point I’m making is that I stopped for several sets of traffic lights, I didn’t drive non stop, hence the addition of several minutes of driving according to the tacho which don’t exist. The law allows for 4hr 30mins of driving. I didn’t drive for 4hr 30m. The legislated device shows that I drove for more than I actually did. If I was prosecuted in a court of law and got the court to watch the whole video of me driving (which would have been less than 4hr 30mins) of their time, then they would laugh at the fact that the device shows 4hr 45mins.
Cheggy:
For anyone to serve time at her majesties hotel you have to be PROVEN to be guilty and be BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. It is well documented and proven that digi tachos DO NOT record time accurately thus adding doubt.
This is the point that most of you “knowledgable” drivers are missing.
The same in a digital, analogue or atomic hour.
