Took a bit more than three days though:)
Another fault is when double manned, put 2nd man on bed and as soon as you start rolling it flips to other work.
Then when you swap drivers again and the second man drives for a short period it adds his 2 sessions of driving together as if you had no rest period, flashes red and tells you youve exceeded driving time by 4hrs or so!
Complete and utter rubbish, should be deemed not fit for purpose!
Hi guys after a little help, a couple Fridays ago I went over my 9hr driving limit by 19mins, I’d used all my 10hrs and was only 10miles away from my yard and needed a 45hr rest. I forgot to do my printout and now need to hand one in to traffic office, Was hoping someone could explain how I do a print out for that Friday I think It was the 15th March thankyou.
Cheggy:
Another fault is when double manned, put 2nd man on bed and as soon as you start rolling it flips to other work.
Then when you swap drivers again and the second man drives for a short period it adds his 2 sessions of driving together as if you had no rest period, flashes red and tells you youve exceeded driving time by 4hrs or so!Complete and utter rubbish, should be deemed not fit for purpose!
When you start rolling it changes to POA, not Other Work. That’s why VOSA assume the first 45 minutes of POA for the card in slot 2 to be Break.
If he has been on POA and break for a total of 45 minutes, minimum of either at least 15 minutes, then it won’t add his driving sessions together and he has had his correct break. If he hasn’t had a total of 45 minutes POA and Break, minimum of either at least 15 minutes, then he hasn’t had enough break and it will, and correctly so, add his driving sessions together because the second will still be part of that 4.5 hours allowance. I double man a lot and if I drive the first part of the shift but have to take over again and drive later because of delays it never adds my driving periods together, even though virtually no break has been recorded because the vehicle was moving for most of my break. You’re making up issues which don’t actually exist, but don’t let the facts get in the way of a good moan. 
smudge832:
Hi guys after a little help, a couple Fridays ago I went over my 9hr driving limit by 19mins, I’d used all my 10hrs and was only 10miles away from my yard and needed a 45hr rest. I forgot to do my printout and now need to hand one in to traffic office, Was hoping someone could explain how I do a print out for that Friday I think It was the 15th March thankyou.
Go into the section of the menu that shows driver printout, use the arrows to scroll back to the 15th March, hit OK. Job done.
Listen pal, Ive been double manned for the last 8 years, had a digi since they came out… The tacho head does not EVER show a rest period for slot 2 whilst the vehicle is in motion.
If you dont believe me then thats up to you, I cant educate every numpty on this forum
Cheggy:
Listen pal, Ive been double manned for the last 8 years, had a digi since they came out… The tacho head does not EVER show a rest period for slot 2 whilst the vehicle is in motion.If you dont believe me then thats up to you, I cant educate every numpty on this forum
It should show POA, the first 45 of which counts as break in this circumstance
I’ve had mine show 11 minutes driving time in the morning just by doing vehicle checks and hitching the trailer up 
Cheggy:
Listen pal, Ive been double manned for the last 8 years, had a digi since they came out… The tacho head does not EVER show a rest period for slot 2 whilst the vehicle is in motion.If you dont believe me then thats up to you, I cant educate every numpty on this forum
Just because you’ve been doing something for a long time doesn’t mean you know what you are doing or are any good at it. You need to learn to read, then you might understand how the tacho works. 
I never said it records break while the vehicle is in motion. It records POA for the card in slot 2 and VOSA regard the first 45 minutes of that POA as break. The unit also counts all that POA as break and after 45 minutes it resets the driving time clock for the second driver so provided he has been on POA for 45 minutes it won’t add the 2 periods of driving together. If he hasn’t had the card in slot 2 for 45 minutes, and recorded 45 minutes of POA, then it will correctly add the 2 periods together because he hasn’t had sufficient break to reset the driving timer.
I double man nearly every shift and I’ve never had the tacho add the 2 periods of driving together provided I have clocked at least 45 minutes POA, and therefore reset the driving timer, while my mate drives.
Cheggy:
Listen pal, Ive been double manned for the last 8 years, had a digi since they came out… The tacho head does not EVER show a rest period for slot 2 whilst the vehicle is in motion.If you dont believe me then thats up to you, I cant educate every numpty on this forum
I wouldn’t say Coffee is a numpty he kind of knows his regs. 
Click the OK button three times, the screen will show
24h day
26.03.2013
Click the down button, the date will change, when you get to the date you need just click OK again.
bald bloke:
Cheggy:
Listen pal, Ive been double manned for the last 8 years, had a digi since they came out… The tacho head does not EVER show a rest period for slot 2 whilst the vehicle is in motion.If you dont believe me then thats up to you, I cant educate every numpty on this forum
I wouldn’t say Coffee is a numpty he kind of knows his regs.
And then we wonder why one of the best contributors on this forum disappeared. Welcome back Mr Holic.
Coffeeholic:
Cheggy:
Listen pal, Ive been double manned for the last 8 years, had a digi since they came out… The tacho head does not EVER show a rest period for slot 2 whilst the vehicle is in motion.If you dont believe me then thats up to you, I cant educate every numpty on this forum
Just because you’ve been doing something for a long time doesn’t mean you know what you are doing or are any good at it. You need to learn to read, then you might understand how the tacho works.
I never said it records break while the vehicle is in motion. It records POA for the card in slot 2 and VOSA regard the first 45 minutes of that POA as break. The unit also counts all that POA as break and after 45 minutes it resets the driving time clock for the second driver so provided he has been on POA for 45 minutes it won’t add the 2 periods of driving together. If he hasn’t had the card in slot 2 for 45 minutes, and recorded 45 minutes of POA, then it will correctly add the 2 periods together because he hasn’t had sufficient break to reset the driving timer.
I double man nearly every shift and I’ve never had the tacho add the 2 periods of driving together provided I have clocked at least 45 minutes POA, and therefore reset the driving timer, while my mate drives.
One thing I’ve learned on this forum is there is always someone that decides to tell you your full of sh:te, I’ve also learned they’re not worth arguing with.
Im out.
sapper:
Sorry for hijacking thread, but, I came across a problem with a tacho in a 60 plate MAN, I have always been good with my breaks and such, and never fell foul of this before. I got two infringements for driving for 6 hour 24 and 5 hour15 without a break, when I queried it, the transport shift manager said " all our 60 plates automatically default to POA when the ignition is switched off", so when I stopped for break, I changed the mode to break, as I can see it easier with the screen lit up at night, then switched off. I did not know that this happened hence the infringements is this legal or is it a company policy you think, when I asked, they could not be arsed to give a definitive reason.Sapper
The rules were changed about three years ago so that the digital tachograph could be set to default to whatever mode you want it to default to when the ignition is switched off.
The only sensible thing to do is when you get a vehicle you haven’t driven before check when you switch off the ignition what mode the tachograph has gone onto.
The answer to your question is “yes it is legal”, though why any company would want the tachograph to default to POA of all things is a mystery to me
AlexWignall:
sapper:
~snip~I had a similar problem, I another TGA with the newer Tachograph (one minute type) head a couple of weeks ago.
It took a while to eject my card when I finished work which I thought was nothing strange.
When I reinserted my card the following day my Daily Rest Period had been counted as Other Work leaving me with a twenty five hour long infringement at the end of the week.
I reported the defect but my mate who regularly drives that truck tells me the Tachograph has been fine.
Is it something I’ve done wrong?
W
When you insert your driver card in a new type digital tachograph you are prompted to do a manual entry for the daily rest period as well as any other missing time.
Next time you use the vehicle watch the tachograph display when you put your card in and you’ll see how it’s different to the old type digital tachograph.
Cheggy:
Another fault is when double manned, put 2nd man on bed and as soon as you start rolling it flips to other work.
Then when you swap drivers again and the second man drives for a short period it adds his 2 sessions of driving together as if you had no rest period, flashes red and tells you youve exceeded driving time by 4hrs or so!Complete and utter rubbish, should be deemed not fit for purpose!
If you put the digital tachograph on break for slot 2 I’ve no idea what the tachograph will change to when the vehicle starts moving because I’ve never tried it, but if you put slot 2 on POA the first 45 minutes will be counted as break which should solve your problem.
Page 21 here
On a multi-manning operation the first 45 minutes of a period of availability will be considered to be
a break, so long as the co-driver does no work.
Thereal-john:
When we first got digi tacos we got told the following :
Never take a 15, always at least 18 mins
Make 30 mins 33 etc, and as for your daily rest either 9hrs 15 min or 11 hrs 15 min!
But as Harry says vosa are aware of the problem and takes this into account when looking at your hours.
The digital tachograph shows the break duration accurately on the display.
See the second half of this post, I’ve always gone by the break time displayed on the tachograph, on some occasions I’ve started driving when the display showed exactly 15/30/45 minutes and it’s never been wrong once
tachograph:
Cheggy:
Another fault is when double manned, put 2nd man on bed and as soon as you start rolling it flips to other work.
Then when you swap drivers again and the second man drives for a short period it adds his 2 sessions of driving together as if you had no rest period, flashes red and tells you youve exceeded driving time by 4hrs or so!Complete and utter rubbish, should be deemed not fit for purpose!
If you put the digital tachograph on break for slot 2 I’ve no idea what the tachograph will change to when the vehicle starts moving because I’ve never tried it, but if you put slot 2 on POA the first 45 minutes will be counted as break which should solve your problem.
Page 21 here
On a multi-manning operation the first 45 minutes of a period of availability will be considered to be
a break, so long as the co-driver does no work.
I know and understand what Vosa will consider, my original post was pointing out a fault with the head units, not what vosa and other authorities have put in place to compensate for that fault.
Kerbdog:
After going over my time yesterday i thought i would post about this. Yesterday i done 4hrs 10 mins before a break. I then drove to my collection point where i swapped trailers and headed for the docks. Hitting the liverpool ring road i was on 4hrs 13mins. There must be 12 to 14 sets of lights on the way to the docks. 12 minutes later i was at the docks. That meant that the tacho should have read 4hrs 25mins. However, it showed that i had driven 4hrs 33 min. I would love to be taken to court as if you video’d the tacho and he time there is no way it could be construed in a court of law that you had driven over your time as the time on the tacho is in reality : completely wrong.Now if id have had 45 mins break i wouldnt have got back to the yard within a 15 hour shift. The yard is 2 minutes away. I had no night out gear, nowhere near to get food but there was no way i was stopping there as i hadnt driven 4hrs 33mins. At most it was 4hrs 25mins. I went back to the yard and fuelled the unit and the 2/3 minutes driving i done after dropping the trailer turned into another 12 mins meaning i had 4hr 45mins showing. I havent driven that time. Digital tachos can simply not be admissable evidence in a court of law. Any decent solicitor would have a field day given half the chance.
This grievance i have comes on top of a collection i made in reed boardall last week. I had a 45min break on site before presenting myself. I loaded at 2 cold stores on their site and completed a 3rd shunt by parking up to wait for notes. As you have to close your doors each time you move this affects your tacho with it again adding up minutes rather than actual driving time in real time. I drove on their site for an absolute maximum of 3 mins yet leaving the site to head home the tacho was showing that i had driven for 17 minutes.
If i went to court and said a guy had punched me but there was video evidence showing id fell over then id get laughed at. So how can anybody be prosecuted on a device that isnt in any way accurate !
Theres a big point here you’re missing or don’t understand. Driving time is defined as whats recorded by the device as driving, and not what you think it actualy is or should be or what a stopwatch says it is.
Where did you hit the ring road to get to the docks in 12 minutes?
Mike-C:
Theres a big point here you’re missing or don’t understand. Driving time is defined as whats recorded by the device as driving, and not what you think it actualy is or should be or what a stopwatch says it is.
Where did you hit the ring road to get to the docks in 12 minutes?
Mike, your not understanding the point. The point is that any court who was shown evidence in the likes of a video, that a tacho shows 15 minutes after being filmed for 10 minutes real time they’d laugh it out of court. You are allowed to drive for 4 hours 30 minutes REAL TIME as per EU legislation and not for example 3 hours 47 minutes that the tacho machine makes up to 4 hours 30 mins as it pleases.
Harry Monk got it straight away.
Just for example : You put your card in and start driving straight away. You stop/start/stop/start etc and stop driving after 2.5 hours. Its impossible for you to drive for 3 hours (as a digi tacho would state) if you have only been in the truck for 2.5 hours isn’t it !
No court would even listen to the case against you if you proved the major flaw like this.
The newer tacho’s do indeed only add by the second and are a whole lot better. The truck I had yesterday was 5 year old !