Digi Tacho help needed

NEW AND WANNABE DRIVERS (INTERACTIVE)
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Hi all,

yesterday was my first day in the real world doing multi-drop, because i was agency i was the last guy to leave with a run so there was no one around to help me with this type of digi tacho… see link http://www.digital-tachograph.com/files/0001/DTCOshortoperatinginstructions.pdf

i’m pretty sure that when i removed the digi card i did not set my status to rest.

so my question is this, when i go back, can i get a printout of my previous days work so i can detail the errors i made?

if i’m issued with a different vehicle that has yet another type of digi tacho, is it possible to do the same?

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As and when you go back in, you can do a manual entry to show the rest period, but I don’t think it’s necessary.
As there would be a long gap (min 9 hrs at a guess) between ejecting and reinserting the card, that would be assumed to be a rest period.

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PhantomMajor:
i’m pretty sure that when i removed the digi card i did not set my status to rest.

you dont have to set it to rest before you remove it, you can do manual entry in the morning though

youtube.com/watch?v=l_K0HEA029Q have a look at this it mite help

or this Simulator if your not to sure on the workings fomento.es/transportes/simul … _adsl.html

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thanks for the help guys, the last time i’ve used tachos was many years ago with the old paper charts. i’ve been forced to catch up with everyone else in the 21st century… first time i saw the digi tacho i thought it was a CD player… its just a case of trying to teach this old dog a new trick

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any mistake you do like forgetting to change your tacho to rest, you must take 2 printouts and write on the back of both that a mistake was made and note the time of the rest period should have been. you keep one for 28 days and give the other to your transport manager for their records.

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chappy261:
any mistake you do like forgetting to change your tacho to rest, you must take 2 printouts and write on the back of both that a mistake was made and note the time of the rest period should have been. you keep one for 28 days and give the other to your transport manager for their records.

ok so at the end of my next shift i should make two print out copies and make a note on each of them of the manual entry mistake and hand one into teh company i was driving for through the agency and keep one for myself.

or should i make the two copies once i have inserted my card before i do any work at the start of my next working day?

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chappy261:
any mistake you do like forgetting to change your tacho to rest, you must take 2 printouts and write on the back of both that a mistake was made and note the time of the rest period should have been. you keep one for 28 days and give the other to your transport manager for their records.

Where’s it say that ?

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PhantomMajor:

chappy261:
any mistake you do like forgetting to change your tacho to rest, you must take 2 printouts and write on the back of both that a mistake was made and note the time of the rest period should have been. you keep one for 28 days and give the other to your transport manager for their records.

ok so at the end of my next shift i should make two print out copies and make a note on each of them of the manual entry mistake and hand one into teh company i was driving for through the agency and keep one for myself.

or should i make the two copies once i have inserted my card before i do any work at the start of my next working day?

Why would you want to do printouts when you haven’t done anything wrong :confused:

As was said in the second and third posts of this thread just do a manual entry when you next use a digital tachograph to record the end of yesterdays shift.

chappy261:
any mistake you do like forgetting to change your tacho to rest, you must take 2 printouts and write on the back of both that a mistake was made and note the time of the rest period should have been. you keep one for 28 days and give the other to your transport manager for their records.

I’m sorry but that’s nonsense, you only need to do printouts when you’ve failed to comply with the regulations or you are claiming exemption under article article 12 of (EC) 561/2006, neither of these apply to this thread.

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Its not nonsense at all! Have you done your drivers CPC yet?? What ever you do, always back up and make sure everything is done and correct, its a lot easier when your pulled by VOSA and you have all your records organised and in good order, rather than trying to explain ‘well i done this and that’! Instead its all in black and white and legal!
BTW, i explained the procedure for when a mistake is made not when the digi was taken out! Which is ‘eject-ok-no’ thats it!!

Why is it on this site, you give someone a little advise and guidance to help them to make life a little easier someone has a go at that person. And when they think they know more ‘tachograph’ they try and put that person down!! Idiotic

My old man agrees with me and hes our operator cpc holder with honours in transport&logistics from birmingham uni!!

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Phantomajor, at the end of your shift tou dont need to adjust anything, the tacho will show show crossed hammers for ‘other work’ the tacho is then able to eject your card, then when you start your next shift, make your manual entries, ie. ‘end of shift’ (press ‘no’) then add on the time you finished or anyother work or breaks etc you carried out. Then press ‘ok’…‘end of shift’…‘yes’.
Dont worry about it, its something you will get used to and will becone second nature other time!!

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chappy261:
Why is it on this site, you give someone a little advise and guidance to help them to make life a little easier someone has a go at that person. And when they think they know more ‘tachograph’ they try and put that person down!! Idiotic

Nobody has put you down, it was simply pointed out to you politely, and entirely within the forum rules, that what you’d written is incorrect.

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chappy261:
Its not nonsense at all! Have you done your drivers CPC yet??

What’s the CPC got to do with anything :confused:

Anyway if you’re referring to the driver CPC half the instructors don’t seem to know [zb] about the regulations they’re only interested in making money out of it :unamused:

chappy261:
What ever you do, always back up and make sure everything is done and correct, its a lot easier when your pulled by VOSA and you have all your records organised and in good order, rather than trying to explain ‘well i done this and that’! Instead its all in black and white and legal!

Agreed, but in the OPs case doing things correctly does not need to include doing a printout as you led him to believe.

chappy261:
BTW, i explained the procedure for when a mistake is made not when the digi was taken out! Which is ‘eject-ok-no’ thats it!!

But the OPs question is specifically about ejecting the card whilst the tachograph mode is on other work, with that in mind if you re-read your post I’m sure you will see why it was misunderstood and therefore misleading.

chappy261:
Why is it on this site, you give someone a little advise and guidance to help them to make life a little easier someone has a go at that person. And when they think they know more ‘tachograph’ they try and put that person down!! Idiotic

No-ones having a go at you or trying to put you down, nor do I think I know more than you or anyone else, but the advise you gave was clearly misleading, you only have to look at the OPs reply to your post to see that.

I’m sorry you’re upset by my correcting what was clearly misleading information, but if it had gone uncorrected the OP would have been doing printouts for no reason at-all :wink:

chappy261:
My old man agrees with me and hes our operator cpc holder with honours in transport&logistics from birmingham uni!!

Frankly but I couldn’t care less what you father does for a living, this thread is about what you need to do when you eject the card whilst the tachograph mode is not on rest.

If your father wishes to join in the discussion I’m sure he’ll be more than welcome, but he shouldn’t expect not to be corrected if he posts misleading information as you did :wink:

I hope that clears up any misunderstanding :smiley:

Have a good Christmas :wink:

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just shown my dad this thread, you probably dont care though! he said “im glad that person on the forum is not one of my drivers…hes a [zb] cowboy”!!!

Our CPC instructors are all in-house, we do not use outside contractors to try and fleece the business out of money!

One of the CPC modules includes ‘drivers rules, hours and regulations’.

Were that well known now with VOSA, they just leave us alone because we know our stuff and we are very professional at our jobs.

Merry Christmas to you and your family aswell :smiley:

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chappy261:
just shown my dad this thread, you probably dont care though! he said “im glad that person on the forum is not one of my drivers…hes a [zb] cowboy”!!!

In what way a cowboy ?

Please explain because I fail to see how advising someone not to do unnecessary printouts, or correcting someone else’s misinformation makes anyone a cowboy :smiley:

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It’s always a pity when someone cant take constructive critisism. Everyone is trying to help, but if the info given is unclear or open to misinterpretation, surely input from another member of a corrective nature should be welcomed.

Pete :laughing: :laughing:

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chappy261:
any mistake you do like forgetting to change your tacho to rest, you must take 2 printouts and write on the back of both that a mistake was made and note the time of the rest period should have been. you keep one for 28 days and give the other to your transport manager for their records.

chappy261,

Sorry mate, but what you’ve written here isn’t correct.

Please ask your Dad to have a look at this:

The ‘two print out’ rule is to be used for when digi-card is lost, damaged or malfunctions.
Please see page 37 of :arrow_right: GV262-03

If you read the OP again, you’ll see that he clearly (and correctly) knew that he should take “a printout” (not two), exactly as “strongly recommended” on page 38 of the same VOSA publication.

If you wish to see the actual legal chapter and verse, then REGULATION (EC) No 561/2006 Article 26(4) refers to the ‘two print out’ rule and gives precise circumstances in which it is to be used, whereas GV 262-03 also mentions that, but then goes on to provide further clarity for UK use in exactly the OP’s situation.

So as to avoid any possible misunderstanding, I’m only saying that the OP didn’t need to take two printouts in the manner you described.

I’m all for a sensible discussion, so I’d be very interested to know your Dad’s opinion after he’s read the links please.

For further clarity, I’m NOT suggesting that (in the OP’s case) two printouts are illegal, I’m only saying that two printouts are not required.

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chappy261:
Our CPC instructors are all in-house, we do not use outside contractors to try and fleece the business out of money!

maybe you’s should have got outside contractors then maybe you wouldnt get it wrong :unamused:

chappy261:
Were that well known now with VOSA, they just wont leave us alone because we dont know our stuff

FTFY

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chappy261:
any mistake you do like forgetting to change your tacho to rest, you must take 2 printouts and write on the back of both that a mistake was made and note the time of the rest period should have been. you keep one for 28 days and give the other to your transport manager for their records.

It seems people are getting excited about this advice yet I see nothing wrong with it. Sounds like good advice to me. When a mistake is made, make 2 printouts, record what happened, give one to the boss and carry one for 28 daysfollowed by hand that in as well. What is wrong with that? it certainly isn’t ‘bad’ advice. One print out carried for 28 days would ordinarily suffice but 2 isn’t a real problem. OK I wouldn’t want to be paying for the print rolls but otherwise why is it such a problem?

I have read many times on this very forum where drivers have said they always take 2 printouts. One for them and one for the boss. Nothing illegal or wrong with that.

My old man used to wear a belt and braces - I thought that was pretty dumb until the buckle burst apart on my own belt one day - wish I’d had braces now :smiley:

As it is - what the OP has stated with regard to the mode selected before logging off is no problem anyway. There is no legal requirement to select the break/rest mode before logging off. it matters not what mode the vehicle unit is recording if the drivers card is not in it. When he next logs in he could add to the end of the last shift if required, or just leave it as it is. let’s face it - the actual activity of logging off the tacho is work is it not?

I also believe that in the UK we do not need to record our rest periods. The UK authorities will take it that a gap between records was rest - unless they have reason to believe otherwise. Again the OP could have added this rest period via manual entry anyway.

I notice the opportunity was taken to demonise the DCPC scheme again - yet I think the OP is a classic example of why the DCPC is required.

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PhantomMajor:
i’m pretty sure that when i removed the digi card i did not set my status to rest.

so my question is this, when i go back, can i get a printout of my previous days work so i can detail the errors i made?

if i’m issued with a different vehicle that has yet another type of digi tacho, is it possible to do the same?

chappy261:
any mistake you do like forgetting to change your tacho to rest, you must take 2 printouts and write on the back of both that a mistake was made and note the time of the rest period should have been. you keep one for 28 days and give the other to your transport manager for their records.

shep532:
It seems people are getting excited about this advice yet I see nothing wrong with it. Sounds like good advice to me. When a mistake is made, make 2 printouts, record what happened, give one to the boss and carry one for 28 daysfollowed by hand that in as well. What is wrong with that? it certainly isn’t ‘bad’ advice. One print out carried for 28 days would ordinarily suffice but 2 isn’t a real problem. OK I wouldn’t want to be paying for the print rolls but otherwise why is it such a problem ?

I don’t think anyone’s getting excited nor was it a problem, the posters misinformation was corrected and he seems to have taken offence at that fact.

The advise to do printouts was in reply to someone who left the tachograph on other work when the card was ejected and thought he’d done something wrong, that’s why it’s bad advise which is inaccurate and misleading.

shep532:
I have read many times on this very forum where drivers have said they always take 2 printouts. One for them and one for the boss. Nothing illegal or wrong with that.

I’m sure you have read that, in fact I’ve given that advise myself on numerous occasions, but never to someone who has done nothing wrong and therefore does not need to do printouts.

shep532:
My old man used to wear a belt and braces - I thought that was pretty dumb until the buckle burst apart on my own belt one day - wish I’d had braces now :smiley:

:confused:

shep532:
As it is - what the OP has stated with regard to the mode selected before logging off is no problem anyway. There is no legal requirement to select the break/rest mode before logging off. it matters not what mode the vehicle unit is recording if the drivers card is not in it. When he next logs in he could add to the end of the last shift if required, or just leave it as it is. let’s face it - the actual activity of logging off the tacho is work is it not?

Exactly, so why would he need to do printouts as advised then ?

shep532:
I also believe that in the UK we do not need to record our rest periods. The UK authorities will take it that a gap between records was rest - unless they have reason to believe otherwise.

That’s correct, except that with the new type of digital tachographs you do record the rest period between shifts.

shep532:
Again the OP could have added this rest period via manual entry anyway.

Not until the next time he inserts the card into a digital tachograph he can’t, but a manual entry next time he uses a digital tachograph is exactly what has been advised by most people in this thread.

shep532:
I notice the opportunity was taken to demonise the DCPC scheme again - yet I think the OP is a classic example of why the DCPC is required.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: That’s just ■■■■■■■■, no-one remembers everything they’re told in a classroom even when the information given is correct, which unfortunately isn’t always the case :unamused:

You can’t resist the temptation to get a plug in for your DCPC moneymaking course can you :laughing:

I’ll tell you what the OP is a classic example of though, someone who’s having to learn something new to him and has the intelligence to come here and ask about things he’s not sure about, and do so safe in the knowledge that if wrong information is given there’s enough people here so he knows that someone will correct it.
Can’t say that about the DCPC can you :wink:

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tachograph:
I’ll tell you what the OP is a classic example of though, someone who’s having to learn something new to him and has the intelligence to come here and ask about things he’s not sure about, and do so safe in the knowledge that if wrong information is given there’s enough people here so he knows that someone will correct it.
Can’t say that about the DCPC can you :wink:

How does he know which advice is correct? Usually on most threads there will be 4 or 5 (or more) variations on a theme. :wink: :smiley:

tachograph:
You can’t resist the temptation to get a plug in for your DCPC moneymaking course can you :laughing:

No. :smiley: