Surely if ANY Employer offered you 80% of your regular pay for “being on gardening leave” for the duration…
You’d have to be a nutter to say “No, I’d rather work, and take the daily risks, thanks!”?
In reality though, firms are trying to get rid of people - without paying them a brass fathing…
“Sorry bud, the government money didn’t come soon enough, and we’re not going to take out a loan from the bank at colossal interest rates - just to pay our payroll to do nothing for weeks on end!”
Perhaps it would be more honest of firms to just sack people, and take the chance they won’t get sued later when things get back to normal?
…Or make them redundant at the same time as closing down the entire workplace…
…or expect them to sit at home on zero pay for weeks, before only then deciding to furlough them - on 80% of the last 13 weeks average pay - zero by that point…!
Winseer:
Surely if ANY Employer offered you 80% of your regular pay for “being on gardening leave” for the duration…
You’d have to be a nutter to say “No, I’d rather work, and take the daily risks, thanks!”?
In reality though, firms are trying to get rid of people - without paying them a brass fathing…
“Sorry bud, the government money didn’t come soon enough, and we’re not going to take out a loan from the bank at colossal interest rates - just to pay our payroll to do nothing for weeks on end!”
Perhaps it would be more honest of firms to just sack people, and take the chance they won’t get sued later when things get back to normal?
…Or make them redundant at the same time as closing down the entire workplace…
…or expect them to sit at home on zero pay for weeks, before only then deciding to furlough them - on 80% of the last 13 weeks average pay - zero by that point…!
Yeah, we get it. You’re an agency worker, and you’ve just realised that that means ■■■■ all… after working up a froth the last few weeks, hoping to cash in on this situation.
Well, guess what boyo… those of us, full time employees, who you have been laughing at, and deriding as “unable to do anything else”, “scared to walk away”, “spineless yes men”, etc, guess what?
We are either still employed, or first in the queue to resume working when all this is over.
I would have preferred being sacked - than “retained on zero pay” like this…
How can I just “resign” when that would mean a long long wait for any benefits for “making myself unemployed”…?
There ARE no other jobs to go to right now, regardless of skills - not now you’ve got full timers quaking in their boots that to make any trouble for their firm - means they get the boot next.
I’ve been offered multidrop earlies for £10something per hour, and an assessment in two weeks time for other supermarket work also @ £10something per hour. There isn’t any higher paid work, because all the available shifts are between 02:00 and 06:00 starts to make sure everyone gets paid the low low day rate. Not interested. I’d rather be stood down in writing, but be honest about the reason… NO reason - is what leaves an agency as employer wide open to legal action later, the same as those agencies who fiddled HMRC with their bulls hit Pseudo-PAYE rubbish, trying to side-step their financial obligations as proper employers have…
Don’t rest on your laurels as a full timer though. Agency - would just be the first ones out the door…
Then the full timers with a dodgy sick record - get let go…
Then the ones near to retirement, if you can get rid of them a year or two early, and cut away much of their pensions…
Then the ones who won’t be flexible in moving to a lower-paid shift pattern…
Finally the ones who start making waves when their pay is directly cut.
How for it all goes or gets - depends on how long this lock-down lasts for.
If the lockdown is done by the summer - then the economic upturn that follows will result in such local shortages, especially in the awkward shifts that full timers routinely go sick from - deals me back in, large.
As I said, I wasn’t worried about being fired - but this “living death” of “retained on zero pay indefintely” - worries me as to the sheer dishonesty of it all.
What are they afraid of? It isn’t as if me or anyone else is going to “sue” for being fired without a written reason - is it?
We always knew we had no rights, as you pointed out…
Why the dishonesty then?
Just a traditional “Agency Lies” thing they feel they need to live up to perhaps?
I dunno. I won’t be begging though, as I’ve got my dignity to maintain, if nothing else.
the nodding donkey:
So, who is going to pay the ever increasing pension costs of the increasing number of pensioners, who are living longer…?
The system is breaking.
So you think that sending them out to compete with younger workers in an over supplied labour market is the solution.Like all social costs they have to be passed back into the economy in the form of prices and wages and tax revenues.
I don’t know of anyone who is living longer.I don’t expect to live any longer than my Father probably less and my Mum died younger than her Mother did let alone my Mum’s younger Sister who died 20 years younger than their Mother was when she died.
It’s obvious that the whole pensions industry is a scam based on claimants rarely getting back all what they’ve paid in plus interest owed.That applies especially to the rip off state pension.
As for the younger generation they are a bunch of selfish, self entitled muppets who want it all ways.They want maximum job opportuniies v older workers, they don’t want to contribute to support the social costs system, they haven’t got the bottle or inclination or solidarity to fight for better wages, they’ll want maximum retirement payouts when it’s their turn to retire but stuff every one else.
I would have preferred being sacked - than “retained on zero pay” like this…
How can I just “resign” when that would mean a long long wait for any benefits for “making myself unemployed”…?
There ARE no other jobs to go to right now, regardless of skills - not now you’ve got full timers quaking in their boots that to make any trouble for their firm - means they get the boot next.
I’ve been offered multidrop earlies for £10something per hour, and an assessment in two weeks time for other supermarket work also @ £10something per hour. There isn’t any higher paid work, because all the available shifts are between 02:00 and 06:00 starts to make sure everyone gets paid the low low day rate. Not interested. I’d rather be stood down in writing, but be honest about the reason… NO reason - is what leaves an agency as employer wide open to legal action later, the same as those agencies who fiddled HMRC with their bulls hit Pseudo-PAYE rubbish, trying to side-step their financial obligations as proper employers have…
Don’t rest on your laurels as a full timer though. Agency - would just be the first ones out the door…
Then the full timers with a dodgy sick record - get let go…
Then the ones near to retirement, if you can get rid of them a year or two early, and cut away much of their pensions…
Then the ones who won’t be flexible in moving to a lower-paid shift pattern…
Finally the ones who start making waves when their pay is directly cut.
How for it all goes or gets - depends on how long this lock-down lasts for.
If the lockdown is done by the summer - then the economic upturn that follows will result in such local shortages, especially in the awkward shifts that full timers routinely go sick from - deals me back in, large.
As I said, I wasn’t worried about being fired - but this “living death” of “retained on zero pay indefintely” - worries me as to the sheer dishonesty of it all.
What are they afraid of? It isn’t as if me or anyone else is going to “sue” for being fired without a written reason - is it?
We always knew we had no rights, as you pointed out…
Why the dishonesty then?
Just a traditional “Agency Lies” thing they feel they need to live up to perhaps?
I dunno. I won’t be begging though, as I’ve got my dignity to maintain, if nothing else.
Don’t get it.If you’re not earning you get your UC.They rightly expect you to stay signed up with any agencies you might have contact with.In my case I’ve been informed by agencies that they are actually not making any further placements for the foreseeable future and anyone in a placement will be stood down and withdrawn.At that point you can claim.You could also claim while you were actually working so long as you inform them usually agencies sending them the pay slip automatically informing them before you get it.Then you get the usual 40% deducted from your UC.What I do know is that the work situation has been abysmal long before December 2019.
Whether this thing is a fake power grab also hiding an economic bait and switch who knows.
But as I said those recovery figures look too bad to me to be a fake.In which case whoops apocalypse is as good an explanation as any as it stands at least until/unless we see those figures outrunning deaths let alone cases.If that doesn’t put it all into perspective for you nothing will.
Thing is Winseer, as alluded to in an earlier post, you’ve been banging on for weeks and weeks about how your day is coming, steep hourly pay rises, the joy of ZHC etc.
None of it looks any good now does it? Your agency have hung you out to dry.
And please dont take this as me revelling in your current troubles, honestly I’m not, I do feel for you and for anyone put in this situation.
Theres a few posts on here from Conor, pierrot etc where the agency (your employer) have furloughed them so they’re getting 80%, why aren’t yours?
I would have preferred being sacked - than “retained on zero pay” like this…
How can I just “resign” when that would mean a long long wait for any benefits for “making myself unemployed”…?
There ARE no other jobs to go to right now, regardless of skills - not now you’ve got full timers quaking in their boots that to make any trouble for their firm - means they get the boot next.
I’ve been offered multidrop earlies for £10something per hour, and an assessment in two weeks time for other supermarket work also @ £10something per hour. There isn’t any higher paid work, because all the available shifts are between 02:00 and 06:00 starts to make sure everyone gets paid the low low day rate. Not interested. I’d rather be stood down in writing, but be honest about the reason… NO reason - is what leaves an agency as employer wide open to legal action later, the same as those agencies who fiddled HMRC with their bulls hit Pseudo-PAYE rubbish, trying to side-step their financial obligations as proper employers have…
Don’t rest on your laurels as a full timer though. Agency - would just be the first ones out the door…
Then the full timers with a dodgy sick record - get let go…
Then the ones near to retirement, if you can get rid of them a year or two early, and cut away much of their pensions…
Then the ones who won’t be flexible in moving to a lower-paid shift pattern…
Finally the ones who start making waves when their pay is directly cut.
How for it all goes or gets - depends on how long this lock-down lasts for.
If the lockdown is done by the summer - then the economic upturn that follows will result in such local shortages, especially in the awkward shifts that full timers routinely go sick from - deals me back in, large.
As I said, I wasn’t worried about being fired - but this “living death” of “retained on zero pay indefintely” - worries me as to the sheer dishonesty of it all.
What are they afraid of? It isn’t as if me or anyone else is going to “sue” for being fired without a written reason - is it?
We always knew we had no rights, as you pointed out…
Why the dishonesty then?
Just a traditional “Agency Lies” thing they feel they need to live up to perhaps?
I dunno. I won’t1 be begging though, as I’ve got my dignity to maintain, if nothing else. [/
You might well be begging , not to the agency but when your homeless & sat in
A door way on some high street
When I left rolls Royce , Bristol to come
To Grantham I took a job upholstering furniture for a few week until I started back in
Engineering , I didn’t want to do it but needs be , I’ve got out of
Bed at 11 pm to start work at midnight on a sat night et etc
I’ve not always been reasonably well off
You’ve been offered work , multi drop , time you don’t like , but
It’s not going to be forever , and it is driving a lorry so can’t you
Just do that for a few weeks , month , whilst looking for
Something that suits you
toonsy:
Theres a few posts on here from Conor, pierrot etc where the agency (your employer) have furloughed them so they’re getting 80%, why aren’t yours?
It puzzled me that if he’s had the agency limp for as long as he’s eluded to over the years, I’m very surprised that he isn’t in the same position as the rest of us long term limpers
toonsy:
Theres a few posts on here from Conor, pierrot etc where the agency (your employer) have furloughed them so they’re getting 80%, why aren’t yours?
It puzzled me that if he’s had the agency limp for as long as he’s eluded to over the years, I’m very surprised that he isn’t in the same position as the rest of us long term limpers
We’ve had years of agency drivers telling employed drivers they were on
£££££ p.h more than them & employed
Drivers were all mugs , we eventually find out due to this Swedish thing theres
Loads of them are on £££££, s less than the employed drivers they called mugs
So I’ve no doubt in time we will find out whilst covid has been ongoing all these
Agency drivers that are sat at home furloughed on 80% of there wages whilst the employed mugs go out to work , have really
Been getting exactly what Winseer is , £0 !!!
