DAF95XF:
Ive had a few cages get loose on my trailer, sometimes no matter how much you strap/bar them down if the cages arent tightly packed in then they’ll get out…
In fact I had some get loose this morning, and you dont half feel them push you forwards when you brake (carefully), probably makes it worse is that I carry them in a curtainsider
welcome back DAF96XF 
Cruise Control:
DAF95XF:
Ive had a few cages get loose on my trailer, sometimes no matter how much you strap/bar them down if the cages arent tightly packed in then they’ll get out…
In fact I had some get loose this morning, and you dont half feel them push you forwards when you brake (carefully), probably makes it worse is that I carry them in a curtainsiderwelcome back DAF96XF
Couldnt let this thread pass by
And as a side note - I let noone but myself load cages onto my trailer, especially if they are for different car manufacturers.
I have been all of a dother last night and it was morning when I reread this thread. I finally realised they were talking about D Cups and Bars 
lol, wondered how long it’d be before someone mentioned that!
As far as containers go, and this is just my personal take on it.
So far I have always been able to see the load go in if I am “loading”…Either I put the seal on or I am there when they put the seal on.
If I am collecting a “loaded” box from the Quay that is already sealed, then as long as the 4 twistlocks are secure, then my “load” is fine provided the box doesn’t fall off the trailer.
(The Container is the load, not the contents of the container)
DAF95XF:
Cruise Control:
DAF95XF:
Ive had a few cages get loose on my trailer, sometimes no matter how much you strap/bar them down if the cages arent tightly packed in then they’ll get out…
In fact I had some get loose this morning, and you dont half feel them push you forwards when you brake (carefully), probably makes it worse is that I carry them in a curtainsiderwelcome back DAF96XF
Couldnt let this thread pass by
And as a side note - I let noone but myself load cages onto my trailer, especially if they are for different car manufacturers.
paulfromwire:
Does that mean I can put him on the ‘who’s seen who’ thread? I passed him earlier and thought he’s in the [zb]
Did you wave? I wasn’t in the crap though.
ROG:
I wonder which mode his tacho was on ?
Well for the first 90 minutes or so it was on break as I was having a kip in the passenger seat waiting of help to arrive. After that it was other work while we sorted it out.
ROG:
Seriously, I hope you are OK Neil.
Why wouldn’t I be, I was 16 metres away from the action. 
Coddy:
This is down to the driver, its his responsibilty to check the load and its security, end of story.
Could be a very hefty fine there…
No fine, no anything. Load was sorted and went on my way.
ironstipper:
Great to see proffesional drivers doing a proffesional job.I await to see the 60ft wind turbine sat on the side of the road with the driver saying its not his/her responsibility to check their load.
Its lazy minority of nuggets that cant be bothered to take 2 mins to check their load and security that is their overall responsibility, that stuffs the CPC and its cost up the majority of us that do try to make the pinnicle of our industry.
Nothing to do with lazy, I’m paid by the hour so any time I spend doing anything is money in my pocket.
ironstipper:
Hope they remove the idiots licence to be fair. for the sake of 30 seconds, he/she could have wiped out a whole family.
I did spend 30 seconds checking the load. When I knew it was cages I pulled off the bay and braked hard a couple of times, there was no movement so I was happy to take it. If I had detected any movement it would have gone back on the bay and I would have got it sorted. There was movement at all on the way home, including 4 hours of stopping and starting every couple of minutes in a big hold up on the A2 near Herford in Germany. If I had felt any movement I would have broken the seal and sorted it, I’ve done that before with one of these loads.
Sorry to disappoint but I still have licence.
Coddy:
Totally agree, and he never noticed they were loose all the way from Berlin■■? Yeah right…
Because they weren’t loose all the way from Berlin, I would have sorted them if there had been any movement. I missed the car that cut in from lane 3 to 2 by inches and only because I braked really hard.
Coddy:
The silence is almost deafaning…
Because I have just moved into a new place with which had no phone line so have been without net access for 3 or 4 weeks.
ant2503:
surely the driver could have pulled off the bay and lifted up the sliding rear door a little to see if the load had been secured.
Trailer is sealed while it is still on the bay.
ROG:
jimboy124:
when Neil is back on lineIs Neil ok only he has usually posted by now ?
See above, had no net access for a while after moving into a new place.
Thetaff:
seen as your a work colleague and maybe a friend of neils,why post the pic■■? was it to wind him up??,take the ■■■■?? or one-upmanship??if a workmate/mate of mine had the misfortune of that happening to him then i would think twice if not more of publishing the said details all over the interweb for all too see
I asked Jim to post it as I had no net access at the time, or for the last few weeks. If I had had net access I would have posted it myself.
They load it, they secure it and they seal it. I check for movement and if I detect none I take it, if I detect movement I put it back on the bay and get them to sort it. That’s money in my pocket while they do it so am more than happy when that happens. I’ve done more of those loads since that day and I didn’t do anything differently and won’t do with future loads. It’s just empty cages so it is very easy to detect movement if it hasn’t been secured properly.
There was no movement of the load at all on the way back. I was on the M25 approaching the A12 junction and moved into lane 2 to give room for a couple of trucks coming up the slip road to get into lane 1. While still in lane 2, with [plenty of room in front of me, the traffic started backing up,. Lane 3 backed up the quickest and a car pulled straight from 3 into 2 right in front of me. I braked hard, very hard, and missed him by inches. I felt the cages move forward then backward and thought, “That doesn’t feel good.” A car then pulled alongside me and the woman in the passenger seat wound her window down an said, “Your trolleys are trying to escape!” I got it on the hard shoulder and went and had a look. Decided there was nothing I could do myself to sort it, too dangerous, phoned the yard to get assistance then went to sleep in the passenger seat until help arrived. Took about 20 minutes to sort it after the HATO’s put a lane closure in, in case anything fell out of trailer while we got the couple of escaped cages back in place. We had to cut one jammed load bar in half, hit some cages with a sledge hammer to get them back in place then strap it up.
I spent 18 years moving unpacked computer and telecom cabinets on wheels around Europe which I protected and secured and never lost one. If I had lost one that I had secured I would not have been happy but I don’t secure these loads so I am not losing any sleep over this.
i wouldnt take a load with out checking if it was secure and the CORRECT load, the other week i got my run sheet, load for tesco donny,fleet no ------,tri no---------, i found truck and tri, put kit in ,tacho etc, then went and checked load , pallets had labels for asda wakefield on them, i checked with t.o, told me id got wrong truck and tri, came out to find correct truck and tri, after looking they agreed id got right truck and tri but it had the wrong load on it , if it had been sealed and id not checked i would have been taking a asda wakefield load in to tesco ,donny, i know you could say its not my problem ive checked ive got right truck, tri and thats it, but to me its a ■■■■ poor atitude to have.
far too many drivers like it these days 
,couldnt give a toss
You dont ave to explain yourself coffeeholic! we all know your top boy around ere mate! 
Welcome home!!! 
ady1:
i wouldnt take a load with out checking if it was secure and the CORRECT load, the other week i got my run sheet, load for tesco donny,fleet no ------,tri no---------, i found truck and tri, put kit in ,tacho etc, then went and checked load , pallets had labels for asda wakefield on them, i checked with t.o, told me id got wrong truck and tri, came out to find correct truck and tri, after looking they agreed id got right truck and tri but it had the wrong load on it , if it had been sealed and id not checked i would have been taking a asda wakefield load in to tesco ,donny, i know you could say its not my problem ive checked ive got right truck, tri and thats it, but to me its a ■■■■ poor atitude to have.
far too many drivers like it these days
Now you see, you’re the exact opposite driver to me. I’d of taken it. I’m one of the ‘far to many’. If i ■■■■ up its squareley on my shoulders, if someone else does then i’ll highlight it. Of course if i worked in a depot where i knew the loaders and they knew me then i 'd sort it out with them. The modern supply chain does not and is not designed to work like that.
Coffeeholic:
paulfromwire:
Does that mean I can put him on the ‘who’s seen who’ thread? I passed him earlier and thought he’s in the [zb]Did you wave? I wasn’t in the crap though.
ROG:
I wonder which mode his tacho was on ?Well for the first 90 minutes or so it was on break as I was having a kip in the passenger seat waiting of help to arrive. After that it was other work while we sorted it out.
ROG:
Seriously, I hope you are OK Neil.Why wouldn’t I be, I was 16 metres away from the action.
Coddy:
This is down to the driver, its his responsibilty to check the load and its security, end of story.
Could be a very hefty fine there…No fine, no anything. Load was sorted and went on my way.
ironstipper:
Great to see proffesional drivers doing a proffesional job.I await to see the 60ft wind turbine sat on the side of the road with the driver saying its not his/her responsibility to check their load.
Its lazy minority of nuggets that cant be bothered to take 2 mins to check their load and security that is their overall responsibility, that stuffs the CPC and its cost up the majority of us that do try to make the pinnicle of our industry.
Nothing to do with lazy, I’m paid by the hour so any time I spend doing anything is money in my pocket.
ironstipper:
Hope they remove the idiots licence to be fair. for the sake of 30 seconds, he/she could have wiped out a whole family.I did spend 30 seconds checking the load. When I knew it was cages I pulled off the bay and braked hard a couple of times, there was no movement so I was happy to take it. If I had detected any movement it would have gone back on the bay and I would have got it sorted. There was movement at all on the way home, including 4 hours of stopping and starting every couple of minutes in a big hold up on the A2 near Herford in Germany. If I had felt any movement I would have broken the seal and sorted it, I’ve done that before with one of these loads.
Sorry to disappoint but I still have licence.
Coddy:
Totally agree, and he never noticed they were loose all the way from Berlin■■? Yeah right…Because they weren’t loose all the way from Berlin, I would have sorted them if there had been any movement. I missed the car that cut in from lane 3 to 2 by inches and only because I braked really hard.
Coddy:
The silence is almost deafaning…Because I have just moved into a new place with which had no phone line so have been without net access for 3 or 4 weeks.
ant2503:
surely the driver could have pulled off the bay and lifted up the sliding rear door a little to see if the load had been secured.Trailer is sealed while it is still on the bay.
ROG:
jimboy124:
when Neil is back on lineIs Neil ok only he has usually posted by now ?
See above, had no net access for a while after moving into a new place.
Thetaff:
seen as your a work colleague and maybe a friend of neils,why post the pic■■? was it to wind him up??,take the ■■■■?? or one-upmanship??if a workmate/mate of mine had the misfortune of that happening to him then i would think twice if not more of publishing the said details all over the interweb for all too see
I asked Jim to post it as I had no net access at the time, or for the last few weeks. If I had had net access I would have posted it myself.
They load it, they secure it and they seal it. I check for movement and if I detect none I take it, if I detect movement I put it back on the bay and get them to sort it. That’s money in my pocket while they do it so am more than happy when that happens. I’ve done more of those loads since that day and I didn’t do anything differently and won’t do with future loads. It’s just empty cages so it is very easy to detect movement if it hasn’t been secured properly.
There was no movement of the load at all on the way back. I was on the M25 approaching the A12 junction and moved into lane 2 to give room for a couple of trucks coming up the slip road to get into lane 1. While still in lane 2, with [plenty of room in front of me, the traffic started backing up,. Lane 3 backed up the quickest and a car pulled straight from 3 into 2 right in front of me. I braked hard, very hard, and missed him by inches. I felt the cages move forward then backward and thought, “That doesn’t feel good.” A car then pulled alongside me and the woman in the passenger seat wound her window down an said, “Your trolleys are trying to escape!” I got it on the hard shoulder and went and had a look. Decided there was nothing I could do myself to sort it, too dangerous, phoned the yard to get assistance then went to sleep in the passenger seat until help arrived. Took about 20 minutes to sort it after the HATO’s put a lane closure in, in case anything fell out of trailer while we got the couple of escaped cages back in place. We had to cut one jammed load bar in half, hit some cages with a sledge hammer to get them back in place then strap it up.
I spent 18 years moving unpacked computer and telecom cabinets on wheels around Europe which I protected and secured and never lost one. If I had lost one that I had secured I would not have been happy but I don’t secure these loads so I am not losing any sleep over this.
Very good Neil, only one question… who rattled your cage !!!
Neil, this is perhaps already being considered , but here goes
is it not possible to have a section of the floor modified so
that you can get Special equipment for Paper-rolls
(Joloda- and 3way chock system) but adapted for cages with a
BAR GOING across the floor from wall to wall which acts a brake
along with the locking bars also going from wall to wall, This should
arrest any movement and hinder that type of incident
One of the german load securing manufactures will be
happy to help out i am sure, just a thought ,.
brit pete:
Neil, this is perhaps already being considered , but here goes
is it not possible to have a section of the floor modified so
that you can get Special equipment for Paper-rolls
(Joloda- and 3way chock system) but adapted for cages with a
BAR GOING across the floor from wall to wall which acts a brake
along with the locking bars also going from wall to wall, This should
arrest any movement and hinder that type of incident
One of the german load securing manufactures will be
happy to help out i am sure, just a thought ,.
No Pete nothing is being considered, the incident is done and dusted. The job is done on any one of 500 odd trailers, not special trailers.
NEIL that may be done and dusted but if the same was to occur again and this time the back end comes adrift , the result will be one hell of a bill and bad
news publicity for the firm concerned surely, so it must be cheaper surely
to address the fault as its a known fault and a good lawyer will use that when claiming redress from them for his or hers clients,
Maybe this is why the driver CPC module errrrrrrrrrrr has been introduced lol
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
Maybe this is why the driver CPC module errrrrrrrrrrr has been introduced lol
Why? it doesn’t apply to German warehouse staff who load, secure and then seal the trailer, 26 years as a trainer, but not in the real world.
Not sure why some people have been so quick to jump on the drivers back over this…at the end of the day, if you collect a sealed load you do as much as you can do to check it is safe and unless you have permission to break the seal then reseal it, it is not going to involve opening the back to check.
One of our drivers tipped over on a roundabout due to a poorly loaded container…pallets of steel sheet, stacked highest in the middle of the box with only one strap securing the lot…absolutely nothing he could have done to check the load…and he was only doing 15 round the roundabout…was that the drivers fault, or the fault of those who loaded it?
It’s no wonder that trucks get the immediate blame for everything by the public when we are so quick to slaughter one of our own at the first sign of a mishap!
I have never done driving outside the UK so excuse my ignorance…
When the driver picks up a sealed trailer/container do they sign for it and mark that the load is sealed ?
Do those that load it and seal it sign anything that states a responsibility for the loading of it ?
@Rog for Germany it is as follows when you pick up a
container thats has a custom seal fitted you can not open
for Two reasons , 1;it is a official seal only to be opened
normally by a customs officer ,unless a emergency arises
then you need a customs officer there to seal it, also what
many people do not know is that the majority of containers
are filled with a gas which is used to kill off any insects or
rodents that may have got in to container ,
If you feel movement or hear a noise from items in the
container moving and it has a house seal then you must
open it and check the safety of the load
In Germany the following are responsible for the safty of the load
and its security the Loader, and the driver plus the employer of the
two persons mentioned, they are responsible that the persons
are fully conversent with what they have to do to ensure
the load is correctly load on the vehicle as per german rules
and regs,
Wheel Nut:
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
Maybe this is why the driver CPC module errrrrrrrrrrr has been introduced lol
Why? it doesn’t apply to German warehouse staff who load, secure and then seal the trailer, 26 years as a trainer, but not in the real world.
Agreed but they are not driving it are they ?
