JB:
Wouldn`t the cages have shot to the front under heavy braking?
Cages do shoot forwards under heavy braking or rather they compact up, this then leaves a slack in the straps at the rear so when you accelerate again they bump backwards maybe straining the strap further or leading to it cpming off.Any empty cages work i’ve ever done they insisted strapping about every three or six rows of cages depending on how they where loaded up (straight in or sideways).
You can only check the last row is secure when transporting cages.It can look fine at the start of your journey and it’s not until you get moving that problems can present themselves. Straps also break occasionally…
ironstipper:
Great to see proffesional drivers doing a proffesional job.I await to see the 60ft wind turbine sat on the side of the road with the driver saying its not his/her responsibility to check their load.
Its lazy minority of nuggets that cant be bothered to take 2 mins to check their load and security that is their overall responsibility, that stuffs the CPC and its cost up the majority of us that do try to make the pinnicle of our industry.
Hope they remove the idiots licence to be fair. for the sake of 30 seconds, he/she could have wiped out a whole family.
Ahhh - and this is from an apparently "professional driver who is using the Professional Drivers Forums! - Perhaps he should look at his own load (and spelling - check top of page for clues!) - if the CPC tests involve spelling he has already failed!!! If he is given the authority to open and check every load he is given to deliver - then I am sure he is going to have a VERY Happy Christmas!! Presents Galore!! You Nugget!! 
Having just posted this, I am now wondering how all the drivers that do sea containers check their load or am i being stupid ? When a container is loaded in Hong Kong or wherever, does the driver when it arrives in Britain say " I am not moving it till i have looked at the security of the load "? I can just imagine a driver standing at the back of the box with a pair of bolt cutters ready to cut the seal off and saying “I need to check the security of the load because it is more than my job is worth not too!” (I use this as an example). And, as for the remark about DHELL - I have a secure and VERY well paid job which I am thankful for.
No doubt, when Neil is back on line … prepare yourselves!
jimboy124:
when Neil is back on line
Is Neil ok only he has usually posted by now ?
jimboy124:
Having just posted this, I am now wondering how all the drivers that do sea containers check their load or am i being stupid ? When a container is loaded in Hong Kong or wherever, does the driver when it arrives in Britain say " I am not moving it till i have looked at the security of the load "? I can just imagine a driver standing at the back of the box with a pair of bolt cutters ready to cut the seal off and saying “I need to check the security of the load because it is more than my job is worth not too!” (I use this as an example).
As far as i know the people who load them are given some sort of regs they have to conform to regarding load security,strapping ,chocking etc. We just recently had a driver who shot a load of steel. He had it loaded up and was almost back at Seaforth for export when ‘this car cut him up and caused him to slam on’ ,anyway as well as puncturing the front (bulkhead) of the box it also bent the rear door out and popped the seal. You’ll never guess what the offices main concern was? Yep,…so how did the seal come off!!!
ROG:
jimboy124:
when Neil is back on lineIs Neil ok only he has usually posted by now ?
He looked OK when I passed him he was out of his cab & walking.
here in Germany when a container is loaded it is done
as said before as laid down by the rules and regs for
container work, at the end of the loading before putting
the seal or seals on, THEY take pictures confirming the
load was correctly loaded and these are kept, with the
documents held in the dispatch office where the
container was loaded,IF one picks up a custom sealed load
you can not break the seal unless the required persons are
vorhand,if you pick up a sealed box container and it is a
non custom seal and they have told you not to break it
then as long as you have no problems like leaning to
one side or noise coming from loose goods moving
around ,all is okay but any problems and you can
see or hear then you have to open and check the load
This what we have been told over here in Germany,#
also if you are there when they load it you should
ask to see inside before they seal it,If they say NO
get this put down on the relevant freight notes
it can save you loads of problems if something goes wrong,
jimboy124:
ironstipper:
Great to see proffesional drivers doing a proffesional job.I await to see the 60ft wind turbine sat on the side of the road with the driver saying its not his/her responsibility to check their load.
Its lazy minority of nuggets that cant be bothered to take 2 mins to check their load and security that is their overall responsibility, that stuffs the CPC and its cost up the majority of us that do try to make the pinnicle of our industry.
Hope they remove the idiots licence to be fair. for the sake of 30 seconds, he/she could have wiped out a whole family.
Ahhh - and this is from an apparently "professional driver who is using the Professional Drivers Forums! - Perhaps he should look at his own load (and spelling - check top of page for clues!) - if the CPC tests involve spelling he has already failed!!! If he is given the authority to open and check every load he is given to deliver - then I am sure he is going to have a VERY Happy Christmas!! Presents Galore!! You Nugget!!
Having just posted this, I am now wondering how all the drivers that do sea containers check their load or am i being stupid ? When a container is loaded in Hong Kong or wherever, does the driver when it arrives in Britain say " I am not moving it till i have looked at the security of the load "? I can just imagine a driver standing at the back of the box with a pair of bolt cutters ready to cut the seal off and saying “I need to check the security of the load because it is more than my job is worth not too!” (I use this as an example). And, as for the remark about DHELL - I have a secure and VERY well paid job which I am thankful for.
No doubt, when Neil is back on line … prepare yourselves!
seen as your a work colleague and maybe a friend of neils,why post the pic■■? was it to wind him up??,take the ■■■■?? or one-upmanship??
if a workmate/mate of mine had the misfortune of that happening to him then i would think twice if not more of publishing the said details all over the interweb for all too see
just my opinion
ironstipper:
Great to see proffesional drivers doing a proffesional job.I await to see the 60ft wind turbine sat on the side of the road with the driver saying its not his/her responsibility to check their load.
Its lazy minority of nuggets that cant be bothered to take 2 mins to check their load and security that is their overall responsibility, that stuffs the CPC and its cost up the majority of us that do try to make the pinnicle of our industry.
Hope they remove the idiots licence to be fair. for the sake of 30 seconds, he/she could have wiped out a whole family.
Not sure what the load is in this case, but what if it’s sealed when you pick it up off the bay?
It’s got a roller shutter door so can be sealed on a bay without the driver needing to pull foward first, so maybe there is no way of checking it without breaking a seal.
I sometimes used to pick up the mail trailer for the USAF at Mildenhall and Lakenheath. There was no way I’d get to look inside or be allowed to move it without it being sealed first. And what about containers, and other sealed trailers, If you decide to break the seal to check the load and then get to the destination and some of the load is missing who’s going to get the blame and maybe end up in court, especially if it’s mail?
Coddy:
Totally agree, and he never noticed they were loose all the way from Berlin■■? Yeah right…The silence is almost deafaning…
Never heard of loads coming loose in transit?
Some of you that live in the real world of trucking have hit the nail on the head here, the driver is an unfortunate victim of circumstance, yes, we should check every load, but many places do not allow this, whatever the legalities of it all, if you cause a problem you may well be within your rights but you’ll soon be out of a job. In the cases of roll cages, unless you load every item yourself & pack it in as tight as possible the rear straps are only going to do so much, a bit of heavy braking & accelerating when you first get the trailer will tell you if there are any big gaps, but as this bloke managed to get from Berlin to Brentwood without losing them suggests that all was well, unless he’s just lucky that he got that far, as a fellow professional I’m inclined to think that it’s the former.
The concept of moving things with wheels inside a trailer is always going to be a tricky thing to do safely, a box van with solid load lock bars is probably the best solution, but even that is not 100%, as the cages are on wheels & you need a bit of room each side to get them in & out they have a bit of sideways movement, so the simple act of going around a corner can cause the sides of the trailer to bow out & the load lock bar will then drop out of its slot.
So, to those of you that haven’t been judge, jury & executioner I join you in thinking ‘there but for the grace of god go I’ to the rest of the holier than thou lot, I hope there’s a TNUK member standing by with a camera when the brown stuff hits your fan
Use to use D cup and Bar system in sainsburys an safeways as the cups are around 4in in depth the body would have to bow some distance before the Bar could come out… every 3rd row was either strapped or had a D-cup and Bar on it . The last row always had 2 bars on it.
as i did shunting at the time i woud always drop the trailer short so the load was pushed forward so it could never ride back and leave a void.
Not teaching anyone to ■■■■ eggs but its down to the type of bar / restraint system used and who’s using it.
just for them that dont know what a D-cup Bar system is
gray-adams.com/pagesdetail-121-127-7.html
The D-cup and bar is the 2nd group of 4 pictures 3/4 way down the page
jimboy124:
ironstipper:
Great to see proffesional drivers doing a proffesional job.I await to see the 60ft wind turbine sat on the side of the road with the driver saying its not his/her responsibility to check their load.
Its lazy minority of nuggets that cant be bothered to take 2 mins to check their load and security that is their overall responsibility, that stuffs the CPC and its cost up the majority of us that do try to make the pinnicle of our industry.
Hope they remove the idiots licence to be fair. for the sake of 30 seconds, he/she could have wiped out a whole family.
Ahhh - and this is from an apparently "professional driver who is using the Professional Drivers Forums! - Perhaps he should look at his own load (and spelling - check top of page for clues!) - if the CPC tests involve spelling he has already failed!!! If he is given the authority to open and check every load he is given to deliver - then I am sure he is going to have a VERY Happy Christmas!! Presents Galore!! You Nugget!!
Having just posted this, I am now wondering how all the drivers that do sea containers check their load or am i being stupid ? When a container is loaded in Hong Kong or wherever, does the driver when it arrives in Britain say " I am not moving it till i have looked at the security of the load "? I can just imagine a driver standing at the back of the box with a pair of bolt cutters ready to cut the seal off and saying “I need to check the security of the load because it is more than my job is worth not too!” (I use this as an example). And, as for the remark about DHELL - I have a secure and VERY well paid job which I am thankful for.
No doubt, when Neil is back on line … prepare yourselves!
Good for you! Now could you manage to delivery my parcels in one piece from now on then hence my DHELL comment so far I have had 3 damaged pc cases one snapped sound card and even one parcel which didn’t even have the packaging with it just the damaged goods!! but as long as your paid very well that’s fine
Now back on Topic!!! 
Well said newmercman. Its very easy to be a sanctimonious prat when you dont do the same job. Its very easy to judge others when you live in your little hi-viz ,h&s world. However, when you get out to the real world of haulage its not so cut and dried.We would all like to have it all pristine and a1 but… I have done the same sort of work as neil and know what pigs those cages are. At the moment we are doing mail from Rotterdam to Dublin in euroliners, in cages. you try and keep them tight. Also if they seal the doors on the bay you cant break that seal . if you get to Calais or Europoort (our main ports)and they check your trailor and find clandestines or ,God forbid drugs, and YOU have broken that seal guess whose going to be trying new bracelets for size. if that seal is intact at least you have half a defence. If you havnt done the job SHUT UP and keep quiet.Listen and learn .Ihope that Neil is ok.
I would be interested to hear those in this thread saying that the driver should never have allowed the consignor to seal the trailer without the driver checking the load deal with the container problem? how about packing cases, would they take a crowbar and hammer and dismantle packing cases to ensure the load inside is properly secured?
Sealed loads are a fact of life in this industry for a variety of reasons. If a driver goes through his whole career without a load moving at all, without a spanset giving way, a load lock bar bending, a chain snapping etc then they are lucky, I have had all 3 happen.
What exactly happened in this case, I dont know, and neither do the people so quick to jump on the drivers fault bandwagon. I do suspect that most of the critics, if they have any amount of time on the road, have experienced similar problems. but do rather enjoy jumping onto this thread for a bit of mischief making/wind up. 
Thetaff:
seen as your a work colleague and maybe a friend of neils,why post the pic■■? was it to wind him up??,take the ■■■■?? or one-upmanship??if a workmate/mate of mine had the misfortune of that happening to him then i would think twice if not more of publishing the said details all over the interweb for all too see
just my opinion
It may be divine retribution for the pictures of Jimboy in the past 
Where is the one with the over keen forkie?
My brief foray into airfreight with DHell came with its own problems, we used cages and collapsible metal pallets (CMP) these were large pallets that took up the width of the trailer which we used to jam in the cages, the trailers were rollerbeds but the CMP did not move, however one particular run only used cages as they could not handle the heavy air pallets, so the cages were clamped to the sides of the box as well as a locking bar. One particular night I had loaded and headed back to EMA and I heard the cages had come loose. With airfreight you are under strict orders not to stop, the load would be not allowed into the airport if the seal was broken so after a call to the operations manager, I was told to bring it back as it was. The chaos inside the body when I put it on the bay was a mess but we picked the cages up with a fork lift truck.
But as mentioned sometimes the seals are there and can be a pain in the arse, even loading groupage or tyres in a curtain you are not allowed in the plant & cannot see past the last 3 foot of the load, you are not able to fit the TIR cord after you have loaded because of the onsite rules. Even with the tankers we had special authority to self seal them at the point of loading which verified that the load was explosive free for the security at the railheads for the Channel Tunnel.
My latest problem with wheeled cases was 30 flight cases destined for a Stereophonics tour■■?, the brakes were on but the straps were difficult to keep tight inside a Euroliner.
Wheel Nut:
collapsible metal pallets (CMP) .
Well i have learnt something new today! Never knew what it stood for.
I have sent you a PM wheel nut.
Best of luck to the driver, as has been said it could happen to us all. I had half a load of cages come loose about a year ago, shame half were full of spirits and tobacco and the rest was stuff like bleach and washing powder - what a mess when I got to my first drop, I only heard one bump and I was nearly there! I was later told “you’ve got to be careful which holes you put the straps in, some of them are ■■■■ ed.” 
still, a lesson learned I suppose.
Ive had a few cages get loose on my trailer, sometimes no matter how much you strap/bar them down if the cages arent tightly packed in then they’ll get out…
In fact I had some get loose this morning, and you dont half feel them push you forwards when you brake (carefully), probably makes it worse is that I carry them in a curtainsider 