when doing the costing is it 52 weeks or do you work out the days since its only a five day week ?
massey1200:
when doing the costing is it 52 weeks or do you work out the days since its only a five day week ?
You use the utility days per year, which will be given in the question (as it’s not in the scenario). This is the planned number of days the vehicle is used in a year. If the vehicle runs 5 days per week, and most operators work on 45 working weeks per year (allowing for maintenance, holiday, etc.), then you would use 225 days per year in the costing. But since they’ve missed this vital piece of info out of the scenario, look for it in the questions. If it’s not there, then use a figure of your own, like 225 days, but state that you are doing that in your answer.
Good luck, see y’all on the far side! 
poa doing my head in, can you count this towards your break?
As I understand it -
if you start at 7 am and work 3 hours - its now 10 am - take 2 hours POA you have only worked 3 hours by 12 o’clock.
Its not break but also its not working. If you can “freely dispose of you time” you can take a break but if you are say waiting to unload you are not working but need to be available then its POA.
gazzaman58:
As I understand it -if you start at 7 am and work 3 hours - its now 10 am - take 2 hours POA you have only worked 3 hours by 12 o’clock.
Its not break but also its not working. If you can “freely dispose of you time” you can take a break but if you are say waiting to unload you are not working but need to be available then its POA.
Hi gazzaman,
There’s a slight difference in the definition of “break” when compared to the definition of “rest,” so please don’t let that one catch you out. 
With POA, you need to know the length of time in advance.
It might be an idea for all you folks attempting the CPC exams to recheck the various definitions. 
Yes of course - the need to know in advance clause is the real key to POA. I think I will just double check my timings but I don’t think on the routing that POA will make any difference to timing except in the Sheep scenario where it could help extend the working day.
Crammed so full of facts and figures now my head is spinning - An STGO Cat 3 can have an 150 tonne front axle while travelling at 70mph on a single carriageway, be 30 metres wide and 6.1 metres long unless its refrigerated in which case its wider ■■?
so in the above senarios why cant you take a full 45 mins if you are not required to assist with the loading that takes an hour
Not re run the timing but a knee jerk answer would be you then reset the clock on driving time so you would need to stop again for another 45 min break - taking a 15 and then a later 30 delays resetting the driving time clock
ok i am in the middle of doin contract 2 i start 6.45-7.00 vehicle check 7.00-8.00 driving to motherwell 8.00-9.00 loading which i dont assist with what do i take this as poa or driving break ?
Good luck everyone! Thanks to DD and everyone else who has put up their advice.
Well not so cocky now am I …
Module 1 — goofed — didn’t focus on employment law as I should have, so may have dropped a few here think its a close run thing on this one.
Module 2 — will be gutted if I fail that, felt good about my answers here.
Case study
If I remember rightly
Q1 — schedule for Contract 2 — fell OK about that
Q2 Think that was the O licence app one —think that went ok
Q3 — was that the ADR one? if so I could have snogged dieseldave for his answers on that - think that went well.
Q4 costing — 2x 3.5 vans and 1x 7.5 tonne — OK but we got a note saying the truck was purchased not leased and focussed on that and once again forgot to put in the admin costs over the page. Showed all my workings however so hopefully won’t have lost too many marks.
Know I blew Q6 — what weights dimensions etc for a cat c training truck if they trained drivers themselves — got 2/3 here just didn’t do it properly in the books and had to wing it.
Q8 Was partnership and limited company formation think that went Ok
Know there was a maintenance one as well was the Q7 ?
Need a lie down in a dark room now — well all will be revealed in January.
Lessons learnt — well yes the EOS notes are very good, but you need more that 30 days to do it in — I was very ambitious on my home study plan and if I had taken 60 days I would be far more confident of a pass. To be really confident on some of the facts and figures I now see I skimped on some other sections and that may come back to haunt me.
Very glad I didn’t do International at the same time — just a step too far and even if I had taken longer on my home study I think the 4 modules in one exam is a big ask.
Thank God that’s over. Now need to wait for Feb to see if we need to go back and do it all again!
gazzaman58:
Q3 — was that the ADR one? if so I could have snogged dieseldave for his answers on that - think that went well.
Blimey. 
I know how nerve wracking the CPC exams are, so I hope everybody passes.
gazzaman58:
Well not so cocky now am I …
Wow, what an excellent summing up gazzaman58. The wife and I were chuffed as nuts after Unit 1, not so good after Unit 2 - 'er indoors thinks she’s borderline on that but I’m a cocky sod and thing I got enough. Jan/Feb will tell me if I’m a hero or a pratt! Unit 4 was intense, fully understand the need to lie down. I’ve hit the Scotch myself . I think the revision with the advanced scenario was such a help with Unit 4. I put all my workings in the back to try for marks I’d have missed.
Just come off the phone to my son telling him how hard the exam was — absolutely no sympathy, he pointed out that
Dad you only took one exam that was the equivalent to an A level I took 4 all at the same time.
Didn’t you tell me that in your day exams were harder and they beat you if you failed■■?
I would have gone round his place and given him a clip round the ear, but even allowing for the do gooders telling me you can’t thrash you children or send them up chimneys anymore he could easily put the old man in hospital eating food through a straw for a week.
dieseldave:
gazzaman58:
Q3 — was that the ADR one? if so I could have snogged dieseldave for his answers on that - think that went well.Blimey.
I know how nerve wracking the CPC exams are, so I hope everybody passes.
I would just like to point out dieseldave that was a measurement of my delight at the information you imparted to help us answer that question not any undertaking to actually carry out the act.
Not fair we have to wait so long for the results !!!
massey1200:
Not fair…
Now you’re sounding like a real student!
gazzaman58:
dieseldave:
gazzaman58:
Q3 — was that the ADR one? if so I could have snogged dieseldave for his answers on that - think that went well.Blimey.
I know how nerve wracking the CPC exams are, so I hope everybody passes.
I would just like to point out dieseldave that was a measurement of my delight at the information you imparted to help us answer that question not any undertaking to actually carry out the act.
Hi gazzaman58,
I knew what you meant mate. 
I did my own (both) CPCs back in 1997, and I’ve since taught the subject to others.
You can probably tell that I stick to teaching just ADR now. I took that decision cos IMHO the CPC is a rather ‘wooly’ subject to teach.
At the tender age of 41, I also completed an “A” level at college, but that had five separate exams.
Just to give an idea about “A” level equivalence, I’ll point out that the operator CPC exam questions are as difficult as “A” level exam questions, so both are graded as “level 3” and also equivalent to NVQ level 3. The whole idea behind the ‘levelling’ system is that academic subjects can be directly evaluated against practical subjects by employers when folks present qualifications at interview.
i dont know how you blokes cope with the exam thing now , i remember taking my c.p.c in 1994 and that was bad enough . my brain was fried so bad i remember trying to get my house key in the back gate and could’nt work out which hole to put it in …
Many thanks to Diesel Dave and others for helping me pass Units 1 and 4 of the 03/12/10 exams.
I failed Unit 2 and want to go for the retake in March. Can anyone recommend a good study guide for unit 2 only please?
I used the CPC4U.co.uk home study manual for the last exams - not overly impressed with it. I’ve heard good things about EOS notes but want to try to keep the cost down and get study materials for Unit 2 only if possible.
I am looking forward to seeing how others did in the exams.
Thanks
Vic