Anyone had a chance to look at unit 4 senario for dec ?
I’ve downloaded it and done a quick scan - the contract 4 bit must be setting us up for an ADR question.
I have also read the examiners notes for Septembers Unit 4 and it looks like lots of easy marks were lost.
I’ve just done a five day CPC course and they handed a copy of the case study out yesterday.
I’m now watching this space to hear the wisdom of TNUK’s resident CPC expert’s!
massey1200:
Anyone had a chance to look at unit 4 senario for dec ?
Hi massey1200,
I’ve had a quick look at it and there’s some ADR stuff, but I’ll have a better look tomorrow.
Here it is:
http://www.ocr.org.uk/download/prm/ocr_52304_prm_vrq_unit_4_dec_10.pdf
It says they’ve consulted a DGSA, so they’re off to a good start!! 
this looks like my area of knowledge 
any questions ■■
Contract Three
A syndicate of local farmers has approached you regarding a weekly movement of sheep to an abattoir in Manchester, 400 kilometres from Stirling. The driver will commence work at 06.45 taking 15 minutes to check the vehicle.
The sheep will be collected from a communal pick-up point which is 60 kilometres north of Stirling and 460 kilometres from Manchester. The loading of the sheep will take 60 minutes and the driver will not be expected to assist.
On arrival at Manchester, the unloading will take 30 minutes and the driver is not expected to assist. The driver will then spend 60 minutes disinfecting the vehicle before returning to Stirling unladen. On arrival in Stirling the driver will take 15 minutes to complete the paperwork.
As your knowledge of EU Regulation 1/2005 and the relevant Welfare of Animals Transport Order is limited, you have asked the syndicate for time to investigate the problems attached to such a contract, especially with regard to modifying a 26 tonne GVW box van, which will be purchased if the quotation is successful. You are particularly concerned about the legal requirements relating to both vehicle specification and driver training.
my first thoughts are:
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setting up as a livestock haulier for one job a week isn’t going to make you rich.
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the only way you can “modify” a box van to be useful for sheep is to cut the box off so it’s a flat and buy a proper livestock container !
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“driver not required to assist” is not heard very often when you’re on stock
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you won’t have enough time to get there and back in one day
Thanks Dieseldave
Been looking at the cpc case study today and I reckon if you get 2 x 26 tonners and stick some of the sheep on top of the flat pack stuff and the rest, provided they don’t smoke, on top of the drums you can do all four contracts. Now all I have to do is convert the numbers to shilling and pence per half pint and I can do some costings per furlong.
May have just overcooked the brain with this studying lark … 
gazzaman58:
Been looking at the cpc case study today and I reckon if you get 2 x 26 tonners and stick some of the sheep on top of the flat pack stuff and the rest, provided they don’t smoke, on top of the drums you can do all four contracts. Now all I have to do is convert the numbers to shilling and pence per half pint and I can do some costings per furlong.May have just overcooked the brain with this studying lark …
gazzaman58:
May have just overcooked the brain with this studying lark …
It certainly looks like it Gazzaman!!
I thought everybody knew that rates are calculated in Groats per furlong with the aid of a sundial.
OK, sorry it’s a bit late, but here are my thoughts on the ADR part of December 2010 unit #4 case study.
The case-study:
The product has been allocated UN Packing Group 2 and is Class 3 Flammable Liquids carried in 210 litre drums. Each consignment will vary in weight from between 10,000 kg and 15,000 kg. A 26 tonne GVW vehicle will meet the requirement.
Since we know that the load will be subject to full ADR requirements ( = it’s fully “in scope”) and given that a 26t GVW vehicle will be used, the ADR part of this is pretty straightforward and there’ll be no ADR load calculations to be performed. 
So, what questions might they ask?
Documentation.
List x documents to be carried on board the vehicle.
- An ADR compliant transport document
- Instructions In Writing (consisting of four A4 sides and kept in an accessible place in the cab)
- The (original) driver’s ADR certificate (valid for at least packages and UN Class 3)
- An acceptable form of photographic ID relating to the driver.
NOTE: The vehicle used for this job does NOT require an ADR certificate of approval.
List x requirements for an ADR compliant transport document:
- The UN number (preceded by the letters “UN”)
- The Proper Shipping Name (PSN) of the goods
- The UN Class of the goods
- The packing group (using Roman numerals.)
- The number and description of the packages
- The total quantity loaded on the vehicle
- The names and addresses of the consignor AND consignee
- The tunnel restriction code IN BRACKETS (but only if passage is known to go through a tunnel subject to dangerous goods restrictions)
They haven’t mentioned a road tunnel, so the tunnel restriction code won’t be needed on the transport document for this journey.
As an example, the “entry” on a transport document for petrol would read:
UN 1203 PETROL, 3, PGII (D/E)
This is the (new) type of sign indicating a dangerous goods restriction on a UK road tunnel.
If your driver sees this sign on the journey in the case study, your first action as TM would be to have a ‘word’ with the router.
List x DGSA’s duties.
- monitoring compliance with the requirements governing the carriage of dangerous goods;
- advising on the carriage of dangerous goods;
- preparing an annual report to the management on their activities in the carriage of dangerous goods.
(Management MUST retain these reports for 5 years AND produce them to the Police, VOSA or the HSE if requested.) - verification of proper procedures for identifying dangerous goods.
- verification that persons have had training appropriate to their duties
- preparing reports of serious incidents or infringements for forwarding to the DfT.
- verification that a company has appropriate equipment for the carriage of dangerous goods.
- verification of proper emergency procedures in case of an incident involving dangerous goods.
Vehicle markings.
This requirement is very straightforward…
For UN Class 3, an ‘in scope’ vehicle requires two PLAIN reflectorised orange coloured plates, one to be placed on the front of the vehicle, and one to be placed on rear of the vehicle. The size of the orange coloured plates is 40cm X 30cm
The two orange plates must be removed or effectively covered once the vehicle has been unloaded.
NO OTHER VEHICLE MARKINGS ARE REQUIRED.
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Fire extinguishers.
Fire-extinguisher compliance rules:
- Extinguishers must be of an approved type ie. the Kite Mark or the CE mark.
- Extinguishers must be periodically inspected (annually in the UK) and bear a label / sticker showing the next due date of inspection, or the maximum period of use.
- Extinguishers must be fitted with a seal AND pin.
- Extinguishers must be protected from the effects of the weather.
- Extinguishers must be easily accessible.
The seal must pass through the pin to show that the pin hasn’t been withdrawn.
An “in scope” 26t GVW vehicle will need a minimum of 1 X 2kg dry powder fire extinguisher:
AND
1 X 10kg fire extinguisher to make a total minimum of 12kgs
Therefore, a minimum of two fire extinguishers will be needed.
An “in scope” 26t GVW vehicle will need the following equipment on board as a minimum:
List x items of equipment required to be on board the vehicle
- a suitable wheel chock
- two self-standing warning signs (These can be cones, triangles or amber flashing lights etc.)
- eye rinsing liquid (eye-wash.)
Additional compulsory equipment for the carriage of UN Class 3:
- a shovel
- a drain seal
- a plastic collecting container
Each person on board a 26t GVW “in scope” ADR vehicle carrying UN Class 3 must have:
List x items of PPE (per person.)
- a warning vest ( = Hi-Viz)
- portable lighting apparatus (a torch)
- a pair of protective gloves
- eye protection (e.g. protective goggles.)
Markings on the packages (Drums.)
1 X [proper] UN Class 3 label (100mm X 100mm) per drum.
The four-digit UN number of the substance must be shown on each drum, preceded by the letters “UN.”
Hi all,
I’m trying to get myself and the wife through the Standard National Freight CPC this Fri. She’s an accountant, so trying to get her to do the finance and costings in the format required to pass Unit 4 is like trying to bath a cat!
Anyway, I’ve done schedules for all the routes in the scenario and wanted to check my summaries with others to make sure that I am on the right lines.
Contract 1 - 3.5T Delivery to Berwick
Start at 06:45, Leave Glasgow 08:45, leave Berwick 11:45 (no break needed, under 3.5T so no driver hours), finish paperwork in Sterling 13:15. Total driving 4:30, total work 6:00. As this is 3.5T and falls outside O-Licensing rules, I think it is unlikely to be asked in the exam.
Contract 1 - 3.5T Delivery to Carlisle
Start at 06:45, Leave Glasgow 08:15, leave Carlisle 11:00 (no break needed, under 3.5T so no driver hours), stop for 30 min break before 13:15 (for EU working time requirements, 30 mins before 6:00 work), finish paperwork in Sterling 14:30. Total driving 5:30, total work 6:45. This too is 3.5T and falls outside O-Licensing and driver hours rules.
Contract 1 - 7.5T Delivery to Berwick then Carlisle
Start at 06:45, Leave Glasgow 08:45, Leave Berwick 11:45, unload in Carlisle then take 30 min break, leave Carlisle 14:15, finish paperwork in Sterling 17:15. Total driving 6:45, total work 9:00. If this is sole job for that driver, weekly working hours is 45, so okay by EU working time rules. This appears to be a perfect opportunity for an exam question on driver hour requirements, and I expect either this or Contract 2 to be asked in the exam! What do you all think?
Contract 2 - Round trip to Aberdeen and Inverness
Start at 06:45, Leave Motherwell 08:30, unload in Aberdeen then take 30 min break, leave Aberdeen 12:30, load and leave Inverness 15:30unload in Kilmarnock then take a 30 min break, leave Kilmarnock 19:30, finish paperwork in Sterling 20:45. Total driving 10:00, total work 11:30. Since this is a weekly run, driving hours can be extended to 10 hours no more than twice per week, and remaining work in the week must be restricted to keep within the EU limit of 48 hours averaged over 17 weeks. This appears to be another perfect opportunity for an exam question on driver hour requirements Do you all agree?
Contract 3 - Sheep to slaughter
Start at 06:45, Leave the pickup point loaded 08:45, take 30 min break en-route from 12:30, unload, clean and disinfect, then leave Manchester 16:30. Now it becomes tricky. Either take a 30 min break en-route, then stop later en-route at 20:30 overnight, or re-do the problem double-manned. I am thinking that this is all too complex to be covered in the exam, unless the paper gives additional info, such as to assume that the trip will be double-manned.
Contract 4 - Flammible Liquid to Newcastle (no irony there boys)
Start at 06:45, Leave Grangemouth loaded 08:30, take a 15 min break while loading Grangemouth and another 30 min while unloading Newcastle, leave Newcastle 13:00, finish paperwork and cleaning 17:15. This seems like a simple exercise to me.
Any of you done these schedules? Anyone get the same times? Anyone think I’ve made a mistake here somewhere and need to re-do them before Fri?
Cheers,
Billy
billysugger:
Contract 1 - 3.5T Delivery to BerwickStart at 06:45, Leave Glasgow 08:45, leave Berwick 11:45 (no break needed, under 3.5T so no driver hours), finish paperwork in Sterling 13:15. Total driving 4:30, total work 6:00. As this is 3.5T and falls outside O-Licensing rules, I think it is unlikely to be asked in the exam.
Contract 1 - 3.5T Delivery to Carlisle
Start at 06:45, Leave Glasgow 08:15, leave Carlisle 11:00 (no break needed, under 3.5T so no driver hours), stop for 30 min break before 13:15 (for EU working time requirements, 30 mins before 6:00 work), finish paperwork in Sterling 14:30. Total driving 5:30, total work 6:45. This too is 3.5T and falls outside O-Licensing and driver hours rules.
Hi Billy
would the < 3.5 tonne drivers not still come under UK domestic rules ( which everyone ignores as there’s no recording system)
Hi Billy, I have different times as went to carlisle first its shorter that way !
Denis F:
would the < 3.5 tonne drivers not still come under UK domestic rules ( which everyone ignores as there’s no recording system)
Yes that’s how I read it. They would be exempt from record keeping. For Domestic Rules, the EOS course material I have only details the EU Working Time Directive limits. So as far as I can tell, they are the only requirements. That would make for a fairly unchallenging exam question, completely leaving out the EU Driver Hour requirements which most of us are subject to. So while it could come up, I’d be pleasantly surprised. 
massey1200:
Hi Billy, I have different times as went to carlisle first its shorter that way !
Bugger, you’re right! Thanks for pointing that out.
Contract 1 - 7.5T Delivery to Carlisle then Berwick
Start at 06:45, leave Glasgow 08:45, leave Carlisle 11:30, unload at Berwick then 30 min break, leave Berwick 14:15, finish after paperwork 16:15. Driving 5:45, working 8:00.
That’s a much better route. Do your times match for this?
No I end at half 4 but I could be wrong billy
massey1200:
No I end at half 4 but I could be wrong billy
…and so could I. So here’s my schedule, please let me know if you spot anything I missed:
06:45 - 07:00 Vehicle checks
07:00 - 07:45 Sterling → Glasgow (60km @ 80km/h = 0:45)
07:45 - 08:45 Load at Glasgow (we are told that loading the 7.5T takes 60 mins, drivers do not assist, so take 15m break)
08:45 - 10:45 Glasgow → Carlisle (160km @ 80km/h = 2:00)
10:45 - 11:30 Unload at Carlisle (this takes 45 mins and the driver assists)
11:30 - 12:45 Carlisle → Berwick (100km @ 80km/h = 1:15)
12:45 - 13:45 Unload at Berwick (this takes 60 mins and the driver assists)
13:45 - 14:15 30 min Break (■■■■■■■■■■ driving time is 4:00 and 15m has already been taken, so another 30 mins are required before 4:30 driving. This could also be taken en-route without affecting arrival time at Sterling)
14:15 - 16:00 Berwick → Sterling (140km @ 80km/h = 1:45)
16:00 - 16:15 Paperwork.
I took 15 min wtb at 13.45 then drove 4 another half hour then 30 min driving break set off again at 15.00 2 stirling 16.15 paperwork
I did the way billy has.
I’ve also done costing on the 2x3.5 tonner and 1 x 7.5 for contract 1 to see which is cheaper (7.5) and can almost recite DD’s adr note.
Reckon we will see a recruitment and insurance question as well.
I’ve also costed the other 3 contracts as well and would expect a vehicle selection question on contract 3
All I’ve got to do is get to the exam centre (in Kent) tomorrow!!!
gazzaman58:
Reckon we will see a recruitment and insurance question as well.
I think so too. I also see a Company Law question on comparing partnership with Ltd, and perhaps how to register a Ltd Co. There’s clearly going to be a Safe Load question, either on animal transport or dangerous goods. And a possible Health & Safety Risk Assessment on the Op-Centre combined with admin staff.
Good luck everyone getting to their centres tomorrow, and doing well in the exams.
No chance they will issue us with a pass for being dedicated enough to make to the exam centre is there■■?
Good luck everyone, try not to wake up at 3am doing costing in your head … or is that just me