I kow you guys are on here so i want something clearing up…Cab Tables… Now i run with my table on the dash its handy for keeping things on so why are they now according to some vosa people illegal? I got pulled up north well had no choice sign said all hgv in you come… No problem with my table… get pulled Crick and get a £30 fine and a mark against my company for it, apparantly it obstructs my view? HOW DOES it? i have mirrors coving every angle of my truck inc front. there is no cofee pot on it, no tv standing there, i have no crap in my window so why is it one rule for one district and another for another? Personally tables do not obstruct vision i have this great ability to use mirrors and if in doubt pull myself forward. So are we all removing tables or not? and dont forget to tell all hgv manufacturers to stop selling them and tell daf and volvo to stop building them into the dash because they show the same view as mine does in my scania with the table.
Many thanks and yes i was friendly to the people who inspected me because they was friendly to me
This has been discussed before on here and it came down to a very simple rule - if the object, whatever it is, is within the scope of where the wipers clean then it is illegal.
Any vehicle whether it be car or truck will fail an MOT for such an obstruction and if it will fail an MOT for it then it is also illegal to have such an obstruction whilst driving it.
So how to volvo and daf get way with it? just because its built in there is nothing they can do about it? It looks like this is one of them case’s where if vosa want to do you for it they will and if not they wont. Seems kind of stupid really i mean it doesnt obstruct my view whats the problem. Think i’ll draw this one to a quick close then cheers Rog.
ROG:
Any vehicle whether it be car or truck will fail an MOT for such an obstruction and if it will fail an MOT for it then it is also illegal to have such an obstruction whilst driving it.
■■■■! I had to remove tax disc from my car. And from the lorry I was driving today… And I have also to remove operator’s license and heihgt indicators as well… And front top mirror as it was within the space where the wipers cleans the window…
Bloody hell! In some cars smaller drivers will have to remove the steering wheel as well!!!
The reason is VOSA can now issue on the spot fines to raise money, so anything (no matter how trivial and petty and childish) they find which can earn some dosh, they will give you the fine…
In the past, various petty and trivial indescresions were ignored (when they didn’t have the power to issue fines) but 'cause they can now earn dosh they will have you for anything now.
I drive an MAN with factory fitted table. The little thing in the middle. Surely it must have gained it’s Type Approval with it, so why can’t it be okay ? I’ve noticed that when they come back from MOT the tables have been removed and put on the bunk or in a cupboard.
Or is it similar to the wide wheels some people used to put on Minis and Escorts in years gone by ? It was okay to have them slightly wider than the wheel arches, but for MOT you had to put standards back on for the day.
But the whole thing - your mention of up north versus Crick (I think) sounds like the age old arguments of either “interpretation” of the law, or just simply, because they can so some will/
Danny27404:
no i had to pay on the spot or be clamped
I don’t understand this at all. Can you tell us any more about this? As far as i’m aware you should get the offer of a ‘fixed penalty’ which should allow you time to pay or the option to contest this in court, this is of course if you have a provable residence in the UK, i’d assume you have maybe a digi card/photo licence or even just giving your name and address as i don’t believe photo evidence is required to identify you (just yet?).They can check your name and adress anyway.
Regards your ‘offence’, i’m not sure of the exact wording but its along the lines of …the windscreen should not be blocked from view within the swipe of the wipers or summat. This should (and is not) to be taken literally, actually my tax disc and O licence encroach into my wiper sweep by a centimetre or two. Also any sun visor actually obscures part of my screen within my wiper swipe as does my dash in a Merc. How literally do they want to interpret the regs? You should of contested it and got it clamped if needs be.
You’d expect an offence like this to be acompanied with ‘evidence’ like…he had ten flags in the middle of his window, not his shelf was over the dash by an inch or two.
Anyway, by paying up there’s nowt you can do now. But others might learn from it.
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Or is it similar to the wide wheels some people used to put on Minis and Escorts in years gone by ? It was okay to have them slightly wider than the wheel arches, but for MOT you had to put standards back on for the day.
I got done in the early 80’s for the wide wheels on a Mini 1275 GT.The seat belt law had not been out long,i was driving through Roche,nr St Austell,towards Bodmin with no seatbelt on.Copper comes the other way on a motorbike,seen him look in at me & turn the bike around,by now i am on the A30 heading east,with my seatbelt on.
Bike overtakes & pulls me on the A30,Copper swears i had no seatbelt on in Roche,i said that it was on,“OK i’ll let you have that one this time” he said getting his tape measure out “But you are not going to get away with the width of these wheels with no arches” He gave me a notice of inteded prosicution & i was fined at Bodmin magistrates court.I have always worn a seatbelt eversince & only 3 years ago i was a passenger in my own car involved in a fatal crash & the seatbelt along with the airbag saved my life.Legs got a bit mangled though.
ROG:
This has been discussed before on here and it came down to a very simple rule - if the object, whatever it is, is within the scope of where the wipers clean then it is illegal.
Any vehicle whether it be car or truck will fail an MOT for such an obstruction and if it will fail an MOT for it then it is also illegal to have such an obstruction whilst driving it.
I fairly sure I have remembered that correctly…
well I’m waiting for VOSA to fine me for this. We’ll be heading to court. My truck has passed it’s MOT twice in Ireland with all the tables in, therefore it’s legal. VOSA can’t expect to impose their rules on trucks that are legal in their home countries, do they make Dutchmen go out and buy wingtops? Or tractor numberplates for the trailers? As the chap said, a Scania with tables still has more visability that a DAF or a Volvo. They lack any common sense whatsoever.
ROG:
This has been discussed before on here and it came down to a very simple rule - if the object, whatever it is, is within the scope of where the wipers clean then it is illegal.
Any vehicle whether it be car or truck will fail an MOT for such an obstruction and if it will fail an MOT for it then it is also illegal to have such an obstruction whilst driving it.
I fairly sure I have remembered that correctly…
Right then, I need to remove the steering wheel and instrument binnacle from my TGA then
I drive an MAN with factory fitted table. The little thing in the middle. Surely it must have gained it’s Type Approval with it, so why can’t it be okay ? I’ve noticed that when they come back from MOT the tables have been removed and put on the bunk or in a cupboard.
The TGA I used to drive had its table removed for the MOT.
As you said, it’s factory fit and has been type approved and therefore IMO cannot retrospectively be deemed illegal. Car’s from the 1930’s don’t have seatbelts, so seatbelt laws cannot be applied to that vehicle.
My car is a japanese import, it has factory fit HID headlights. In the UK, cars with factory fit HIDS must have washers and levellers. My car doesn’t have those but it passes the MOT every year with factory fit HIDS that do not have washers or levellers.
VOSA cannot pick and choose which rules they want to enforce.
If VOSA are concerned about visibility and safety, target the pratts with curtains on the N/S & O/S windows.
ROG:
This has been discussed before on here and it came down to a very simple rule - if the object, whatever it is, is within the scope of where the wipers clean then it is illegal.
Any vehicle whether it be car or truck will fail an MOT for such an obstruction and if it will fail an MOT for it then it is also illegal to have such an obstruction whilst driving it.
I fairly sure I have remembered that correctly…
Well, all modern Volvo’s would fail an MOT and would be deemed illegal by VOSA, as the factory fit sat-nav encroaches into the wiper-sweep.
And what about the BMW HUD? It’s factory fit but it encroaches into the wiper-sweep!
