Danny27404:
I kow you guys are on here so i want something clearing up…Cab Tables… Now i run with my table on the dash its handy for keeping things on so why are they now according to some vosa people illegal? I got pulled up north well had no choice sign said all hgv in you come… No problem with my table… get pulled Crick and get a £30 fine and a mark against my company for it, apparantly it obstructs my view? HOW DOES it? i have mirrors coving every angle of my truck inc front. there is no cofee pot on it, no tv standing there, i have no crap in my window so why is it one rule for one district and another for another? Personally tables do not obstruct vision i have this great ability to use mirrors and if in doubt pull myself forward. So are we all removing tables or not? and dont forget to tell all hgv manufacturers to stop selling them and tell daf and volvo to stop building them into the dash because they show the same view as mine does in my scania with the table.
Many thanks and yes i was friendly to the people who inspected me because they was friendly to me
The point here is that your front mirror covers the area around the immediate area in front of the cab, but some tables restrict your view to the front, possibly beyond the angle of the mirror.
As for being fined on the spot, if you don’t have a verifiable UK address at the time of the check then its on the spot.
Why should they stop being sold? They are really useful when parked up. Even if it means storing it on the bed or in the passenger footwell when driving.
On the spot fines…well if that’s the case they would have to make it compulsory for you to travel with means of payment and if you were caught without means of payment would you get an on the spot fine ?
Danny27404:
I kow you guys are on here so i want something clearing up…Cab Tables… Now i run with my table on the dash its handy for keeping things on so why are they now according to some vosa people illegal? I got pulled up north well had no choice sign said all hgv in you come… No problem with my table… get pulled Crick and get a £30 fine and a mark against my company for it, apparantly it obstructs my view? HOW DOES it? i have mirrors coving every angle of my truck inc front. there is no cofee pot on it, no tv standing there, i have no crap in my window so why is it one rule for one district and another for another? Personally tables do not obstruct vision i have this great ability to use mirrors and if in doubt pull myself forward. So are we all removing tables or not? and dont forget to tell all hgv manufacturers to stop selling them and tell daf and volvo to stop building them into the dash because they show the same view as mine does in my scania with the table.
Many thanks and yes i was friendly to the people who inspected me because they was friendly to me
Hi danny ive had the same thing with mine! nothing said in one area and its illegal in another. One thing i will say if you get pulled in immingham they will fine you for it. I ended up taking mine out so thats £30 wasted.
A significant change is that there is now an effective system for enforcing road traffic law in respect of non-UK offenders and UK offenders with no fixed abode. VOSA (and the police) can issue fixed penalties to non-UK resident and UK resident offenders, regardless of whether the offence is endorsable (i.e. if penalty points are to be endorsed on the driving licence/driving record); and request a financial penalty deposit from any offender who does not have a satisfactory address where they can be found in the UK.
Danny27404:
no i had to pay on the spot or be clamped
I assume you did not have a satisfactory UK address then
I got myself into a litle muddle over the meaning of ‘on the spot fines’ - I did not mean to say that were not any, just not payable ‘on the spot’ as Danny27404 had said. I assumed he was a UK driver with a satisfactory UK address.
just pulled into southwaite and cought up with this post… My choice was pay it or contest and to be honest for £30 i’m gonna pay it just if i did not pay i would be clamped till it was payed. Fighting vosa to me in court over something like that is a 50/50 gamble yes argue those nice people up north said its ok but these say no. Really this needs regulating ie 1 rule everyone sticks to.
Back online about 8pm when i park up if anyone asks me another question.
Rog… yea i had a satisfactory address why? Is this to do with the deposit thing? i assumed that £30 is not elligable.
To me VOSA now privateized are taking the p£$%. checkpoints are now open allot longer and seen as our fines pay their wage’s were in a no win situation they seem to have thier own rules at different sites and it wouldn’t surprise me if they have a daily target to reach!!! Yes vosa we have a bloody job to do when you finished.
This will only bring a end to driving and massive driver shortage eventually as in another thread 4 years 11 months time i’m not driving hopefully aug next year i come off it, if this training course for engineering takes off.
25 yr old driver so scared of loosing his licence/hard earned money over what petty thing vosa might find or forking out for a stupid cpc that tells me how to drive when for 6 yers i’ve had my class 1 and have been driving for 6 years on class one and had 1 scrape. My family been fed and bills been paid are more important. If i loose my licence i’m screwed big time even silly fines as " i turned your winding legs arm 1 turn thats £30 thanks" which is no danger to no one takes hard earned money from our pockets. I agree that vosa should get those running bent and obvious defects but tables, legs, light bulbs etc are stupid. A simple driver look sort it please and carry on your way is no harm.
I wish i never posted this message now its wound me up even more so i’m not commenting no more on this subject apart from after carefull consideration driving is screwed and not enjoyable no more. esp when there are so many idiot car drivers out there having accidents and yet we the HGV driver get screwed all the time. for example
Drivers hours rules need to be extended to 99 hours a fortnight so long distance drivers can work 6 5 6 5 and maximise your earning potential.
2.Petty vosa fines are taking money out of our pockets when a talking to can do the same job.
Constant road works are slowing us all down and for those of us self employed or payed by the load costs us money.
Prolonged road closures after a accident just make it impossible.
CPC is a waste of time well maybe not but the basics can be easily tought in a 7 hour presentation.
The people FTA RHA who are supposed to be there for us are not how many statements released have been stupid . recently Oh yes 18yr old drivers are great it will help with the driver shortage… yes it will but 21yr olds struggle to get a job because of insurance so why not sort that problem first■■?
Digi cak is crap end of.
Although carlisles ban on hgv parking is down to hgv drivers been messy has anyone actually gone to them well yes but they need to park somewhere. Thanks you professonal bodies for fighting!!!
Motorway service’s rip us off and the government wont do anything about it and we all have needed them at some point for emergency food… ■■■■… parking up?
ROG:
This has been discussed before on here and it came down to a very simple rule - if the object, whatever it is, is within the scope of where the wipers clean then it is illegal.
Any vehicle whether it be car or truck will fail an MOT for such an obstruction and if it will fail an MOT for it then it is also illegal to have such an obstruction whilst driving it.
I fairly sure I have remembered that correctly…
well I’m waiting for VOSA to fine me for this. We’ll be heading to court. My truck has passed it’s MOT twice in Ireland with all the tables in, therefore it’s legal. VOSA can’t expect to impose their rules on trucks that are legal in their home countries, do they make Dutchmen go out and buy wingtops? Or tractor numberplates for the trailers? As the chap said, a Scania with tables still has more visability that a DAF or a Volvo. They lack any common sense whatsoever.
i think youll find ,as with everything else vosa do there is not much chance of an appeal on these taxs…sorry fines, as for imobilisation ,that only applies to foriegn reg wagons that have no proof of address
Danny27404:
Rog… yea i had a satisfactory address why? Is this to do with the deposit thing? i assumed that £30 is not elligable.
Danny27404:
so does that mean they’ve basically told me a lie to make sure they get the money out of me? well at least i know different now.
If you have proved to VOSA that you have a satisfactory address in the UK then they should not asking you for money at the roadside - at least that is what I read in that link given a few posts ago.
Danny27404:
Rog… yea i had a satisfactory address why? Is this to do with the deposit thing? i assumed that £30 is not elligable.
Danny27404:
so does that mean they’ve basically told me a lie to make sure they get the money out of me? well at least i know different now.
If you have proved to VOSA that you have a satisfactory address in the UK then they should not asking you for money at the roadside - at least that is what I read in that link given a few posts ago.
I handed them a photocard driving licence and still had to cough up the £120 fine on the spot or have the vehicle impounded. Seems that if you don’t have a license, passport, birth certificate, marriage certificate, home utility bill, a letter from your parents and a letter from your ■■■■■■ health clinic then VOSA will require instant payment.
The whole fines fiasco is simply a money raising exercise, so the quicker they get the funds the happier their bosses are. And that’s the only thing the bum bandits at the checkpoint are interested in.
Don’t let the tossers get to you Danny, thats what they want. If they did’nt fine you for the table they would have fined you for some other nonsense offence. You were fined simply to meet targets, no other reason.
vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/newsand … esults.htm right then if there is a next time i got 28 days and if they pull me down there maybe i’ve got a get out of jail free card now.
Could this really be the biggest mistake Mr Brown made?
This has always got me wondering about th subject of tables an even took a photo to ask on here how MAN get away with it in the TGX
Theres enough room to put a nameplate there an not see it from drivers seat.
4.14 The point of the concept of ‘deposits’ is to enable the police and VOSA — for the first time — to be able to deal effectively with vehicle-related offences committed by offenders without a satisfactory address in the UK. The requirement to pay a deposit will not apply to the vast majority of UK-residents — since they will generally have a fixed address at which either the police or VOSA would be able to find that person whenever necessary to do so in connection with the fixed penalty, conditional offer (in Scotland) or criminal proceedings.
That seems to me to be as clear as mud. I don’t carry huge amounts of cash, would struggle to pay a 120 or £200 deposit at the wrong end of the month so would elect to pay within 28 days as per the regulations.
