Wow !!
Youâre entitled to your opinion, but do you not think you are reading far too much into it by that analogy ?
I just see it in the literal sense as it isâŚ,.a forum made up with different types and kinds of people, but who have one thing in commonâŚroad transport. and nothing more.
Some of them have other things in common,.and are like minded, so you get grouups within a group who can relate to each other, and generally get on well.
Others have nothing else in common, and have different opinions, so do not get on , in ways from arguing, being mildly irritated by each other to just not liking each other to a bizzare type of hate âŚ,.and depending on how balanced or unbalanced they are, they illustrate it in varying degrees of hostility.
Then we have the idiots, the mischief makers and the pure nuttersâŚmost of which are in the second group.
Just like any other group or organisation made up of a cross section of people in fact,âŚnothing more nothing less imo.
Perhaps those who can not hack it, the snowflakes the highly strung, the easily offended,.and those who can not take it if an opposite stance is taken to their opinions should maybe bear all that in mind before they come on here in the first place.
And that is my take on it.
Look at it this way, if everyone agreed with everything everybody else said or did, there would be nothing to talk about. That would make for a very boring forum.
newmercman:
Look at it this way, if everyone agreed with everything everybody else said or did, there would be nothing to talk about. That would make for a very boring forum.
ButâŚ
When members say theyâre leaving because of other members behaviour itâs ok?
newmercman:
Look at it this way, if everyone agreed with everything everybody else said or did, there would be nothing to talk about. That would make for a very boring forum.
ButâŚ
When members say theyâre leaving because of other members behaviour itâs ok?
ButâŚthey have a choice. Donât they? As has been said many times if you donât like or agree with someone put then on the ignore list or simply donât read their posts.
Nothing to do with any members whatsoever but we are all entitled to our own opinions (right or wrong) and that is what forums are all about. If you donât believe someone ignore them but a lot of threads are spoilt by members abusing others because of what is going on in their own minds and need not necessarily be correct.In my book they are as bad if not worse than any troll.
newmercman:
Look at it this way, if everyone agreed with everything everybody else said or did, there would be nothing to talk about. That would make for a very boring forum.
ButâŚ
When members say theyâre leaving because of other members behaviour itâs ok?
ButâŚthey have a choice. Donât they? As has been said many times if you donât like or agree with someone put then on the ignore list or simply donât read their posts.
Nothing to do with any members whatsoever but we are all entitled to our own opinions (right or wrong) and that is what forums are all about. If you donât believe someone ignore them but a lot of threads are spoilt by members abusing others because of what is going on in their own minds and need not necessarily correct.In my book they are as bad if not worse than any troll.
If I had gold stars to hand out, you would get one for this post.
newmercman:
Look at it this way, if everyone agreed with everything everybody else said or did, there would be nothing to talk about. That would make for a very boring forum.
ButâŚ
When members say theyâre leaving because of other members behaviour itâs ok?
ButâŚthey have a choice. Donât they? As has been said many times if you donât like or agree with someone put then on the ignore list or simply donât read their posts.
Nothing to do with any members whatsoever but we are all entitled to our own opinions (right or wrong) and that is what forums are all about. If you donât believe someone ignore them but a lot of threads are spoilt by members abusing others because of what is going on in their own minds and need not necessarily correct.In my book they are as bad if not worse than any troll.
If I had gold stars to hand out, you would get one for this post.
I donât feel an explanation should be necessary, but to dispel the speculation, and cease the aspersions being cast.
Im an ex member of HM Forces and am proud that I was, I also have pride for both past and present members of the Forces regardless of their service or role, some may think what a sad â â â â itâs in the past, and thatâs their right to think whatever they feel.
UKT although a bit of a Walt, does at times start a topic which, after the usual gripes and groans as to the author, raise some good feedback leading to areas of the industry some have never encountered or informative in regards to new regs which may or may not affect us.
However this Army Be The Best thread, is the bit of hate bait ? ( maybe a bit strong ) that has given some the platform needed to respond with negativity towards ex forces personnel and expressing their views as to what a bunch of numpties and wasters they are.
I wasnât aware that being a driver was among the higher echelons of employment with a required minimum entry level education of a degree or above, and not the no formal education required employment many embark in, funny how HM Forces do have an entry level requirement though. Yet its those who have had the substance to join who are being ridiculed. Maybe take a step back and look at who it thatâs training them, at Leconsfield itâs civilian contracted instructors, some of whom are ex forces again who were trained by civilians, resettlement driver training courses are civilian schools, good chance some of you went to the same ones.
A lot of service personnel leave the forces with managerial qualifications backed by resettlement courses, some join the police with a few going on to join Armed Response Units, Fire Service, Teaching and thereâs others not so lucky with their secondary trades opt for a course with a more or less guaranteed chance of employment, and you donât need to be a brain surgeon to be a driver.
I never looked at driving as an employment option when I left the Army, but having been unable to keep a job down offers were few and far between, so driving it was, my Cl1 I paid for myself as a civvi, and Iâm far from the best driver, but Iâm fairly good at what I do, I didnât get that experience overnight it came over time.
Drivers come from varied backgrounds, some say they came straight into driving, hard to believe unless they were held back at school till they were 21, others have retrained through redundancy packages, career changes, resettlement course or just plain boredom, and a specific background does not signify poor driving, crap drivers come from all walks of life.
Experience is gained over time, itâs not given to anyone, itâs not hereditary as some would have you believe, and while some have gained a vast amount of experience behind the wheel, they just like those coming in to the industry regardless of their background started at the bottom, we were all â â â â to start with, an ex member of the HM Forces may not have much civvi driving experience or the skills his / her work colleagues have, but theyâll have a lot more life experiences than most.
So which post of yours do you feel got your point across better?
A)
Grumpy Dad:
Where the deactivate account button
Or
B)
Grumpy Dad:
I donât feel an explanation should be necessary, but to dispel the speculation, and cease the aspersions being cast.
Im an ex member of HM Forces and am proud that I was, I also have pride for both past and present members of the Forces regardless of their service or role, some may think what a sad [zb] itâs in the past, and thatâs their right to think whatever they feel.
UKT although a bit of a Walt, does at times start a topic which, after the usual gripes and groans as to the author, raise some good feedback leading to areas of the industry some have never encountered or informative in regards to new regs which may or may not affect us.
However this Army Be The Best thread, is the bit of hate bait ? ( maybe a bit strong ) that has given some the platform needed to respond with negativity towards ex forces personnel and expressing their views as to what a bunch of numpties and wasters they are.
I wasnât aware that being a driver was among the higher echelons of employment with a required minimum entry level education of a degree or above, and not the no formal education required employment many embark in, funny how HM Forces do have an entry level requirement though. Yet its those who have had the substance to join who are being ridiculed. Maybe take a step back and look at who it thatâs training them, at Leconsfield itâs civilian contracted instructors, some of whom are ex forces again who were trained by civilians, resettlement driver training courses are civilian schools, good chance some of you went to the same ones.
A lot of service personnel leave the forces with managerial qualifications backed by resettlement courses, some join the police with a few going on to join Armed Response Units, Fire Service, Teaching and thereâs others not so lucky with their secondary trades opt for a course with a more or less guaranteed chance of employment, and you donât need to be a brain surgeon to be a driver.
I never looked at driving as an employment option when I left the Army, but having been unable to keep a job down offers were few and far between, so driving it was, my Cl1 I paid for myself as a civvi, and Iâm far from the best driver, but Iâm fairly good at what I do, I didnât get that experience overnight it came over time.
Drivers come from varied backgrounds, some say they came straight into driving, hard to believe unless they were held back at school till they were 21, others have retrained through redundancy packages, career changes, resettlement course or just plain boredom, and a specific background does not signify poor driving, crap drivers come from all walks of life.
Experience is gained over time, itâs not given to anyone, itâs not hereditary as some would have you believe, and while some have gained a vast amount of experience behind the wheel, they just like those coming in to the industry regardless of their background started at the bottom, we were all [zb] to start with, an ex member of the HM Forces may not have much civvi driving experience or the skills his / her work colleagues have, but theyâll have a lot more life experiences than most.
Tbf to UKt mate, he came on speaking up for Army drivers and stating he is ex Army himself.
His post was all positive and non negative towards the Army, itâs drivers and the training provided, so I canât see how it was set out as bait, hate or otherwise.
It could have just as easy gone the other way with everybody agreeing with himâŚthough hardly likely due to his ââfollowersââ
Weâve agreed on a lot of things on this forum in the past GD, but I fail to see how this post has â â â â â â you tbh, ex Army or not.
Great post GD and oh so true. I myself am not ex military but have worked with them, army, RAF and Marines over the years. Some of my best friends are ex army and are great guys with a lot of skill behind them.
Itâs the âus and themâ thing that winds me up. No matter what you do in life there are good and bad and some are far too quick to judge in my opinion.
Grumpy Dad, the military gave me a certain skill set (anyone hearing Liam Neeson here? ). Forget being able to strip and reassemble my personal weapon blah blah blah. It gave me many, many life skills too; it gave me amongst other things total self belief and an almost uncanny ability to not care what those who would detract think!
Who cares what a person whoâs never walked a mile in your shoes thinks? Who cares what those whoâve never served think of those who have and still do? Not me, thatâs for sure.
Iâm not for one minute saying that current/ex forces are better than civilians as that would be ridiculous as clearly there is good and bad in all walks of life, only that being in the forces was taking a different path to those that never served. To provide a balance I do sometimes think that ex forces feel some sort of entitlement that their service should grant them certain civilian privileges when clearly we are no better nor worse than those who didnât serve.
All Iâm trying to say is that you should hold your head high and be proud of what you were, but donât let the fact that you served make you think that you should be treated differently to an ex plumber/sparky/mechanic etc.
the maoster:
Grumpy Dad, the military gave me a certain skill set (anyone hearing Liam Neeson here? ). Forget being able to strip and reassemble my personal weapon blah blah blah. It gave me many, many life skills too; it gave me amongst other things total self belief and an almost uncanny ability to not care what those who would detract think!
Who cares what a person whoâs never walked a mile in your shoes thinks? Who cares what those whoâve never served think of those who have and still do? Not me, thatâs for sure.
Iâm not for one minute saying that current/ex forces are better than civilians as that would be ridiculous as clearly there is good and bad in all walks of life, only that being in the forces was taking a different path to those that never served. To provide a balance I do sometimes think that ex forces feel some sort of entitlement that their service should grant them certain civilian privileges when clearly we are no better nor worse than those who didnât serve.
All Iâm trying to say is that you should hold your head high and be proud of what you were, but donât let the fact that you served make you think that you should be treated differently to an ex plumber/sparky/mechanic etc.
And that is about as balanced an argument as youâll find.
Well said.
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I wonât tell tell the one about the âwell balanced manâ at this pointâŚ
robroy:
Tbf to UKt mate, he came on speaking up for Army drivers and stating he is ex Army himself.
His post was all positive and non negative towards the Army, itâs drivers and the training provided, so I canât see how it was set out as bait, hate or otherwise.
It could have just as easy gone the other way with everybody agreeing with himâŚthough hardly likely due to his ââfollowersââ
Weâve agreed on a lot of things on this forum in the past GD, but I fail to see how this post has â â â â â â you tbh, ex Army or not.
I actually am ex army, RCT. I am failing to see how my post is hate speech. I am stating how in my opinion that my army experience has helped me out both in a professional capacity and the standard of driver training that I received. My army number was 244 just for the record. That is imprinted on my brain. Rob as far as it goes, you are a fair, honest and above all else, you can read a post how it is meant to be read, not read into by a suspicious mind. Perhaps these members who are complaining are actually complaining because of a twisted view that only they can see, anyone who disagrees with their take then off they flounce.
I joined in 1979 basic training at Aldershot buller barracks, yes I know a lot of my old regiment who I am still in contact with after all these years. We speak and stay in touch over Facebook, and just for the record Rikki, in case of any doubts I will gladly send you my Facebook link so you could actually see my latest posts of us all and photos of us etc. Obviously this is not for public record but for your eyes only.
UKtramp:
I joined in 1979 basic training at Aldershot buller barracks, yes I know a lot of my old regiment who I am still in contact with after all these years. We speak and stay in touch over Facebook, and just for the record Rikki, in case of any doubts I will gladly send you my Facebook link so you could actually see my latest posts of us all and photos of us etc. Obviously this is not for public record but for your eyes only.
I donât need it bud⌠was just interested if we knew the same folks- its possible as you joined the year before I did
I know of a few lads that had a reunion down in Exeter, I was invited but couldnât make it. Probably the same lads, canât say the names on here but, SW and MM are initials of two of my old team. SW is from Essex ginger hair plays guitar and always in trouble. Good lads and we often speak, always have time for them. mates for life, I still go to leconfield now on a Wednesday evening as I play in a military marching band still.
and nothing more.
