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I wonder how many would attend a course if it was free gratis !■■
I’m surprised that the DCPC charity hasn’t yet been born,
There would be nothing illegal about it as they would provide training as per JAUPT but apart from charging the upload fee , it would be up to the candidates how much or little they choose to donate to keep this source of cheap DCPC in business , If something like that ever happened it would turn what we currently have on it’s head , I’m surprised that non of our talibann colleagues haven’t already implemented a similar scheme , Although the whole thing being scrapped would be the best solution all round (for us humble steering wheel attendents )
And if i ever won big on the lottery i would set up something like this just because i could I would run a not for profit DCPC ,
tommy t:
I’m surprised that the DCPC charity hasn’t yet been born,
There would be nothing illegal about it as they would provide training as per JAUPT but apart from charging the upload fee , it would be up to the candidates how much or little they choose to donate to keep this source of cheap DCPC in business , If something like that ever happened it would turn what we currently have on it’s head , I’m surprised that non of our talibann colleagues haven’t already implemented a similar scheme , Although the whole thing being scrapped would be the best solution all round (for us humble stearling wheel attendents )
That is a good idea. 
Maybe all those complaining about it could cough up the £1500 centre approval fee, the £1260 fee to have five courses approved, the cost of a training room as well as the associated admin costs. Then they could train for pennies. I am sure it would work perfectly 
If u were not making a living out of it you wouldnt be doing it… 
ugt:
That is a good idea.
Training room who needs one of those ? Plenty of empty pubs during the day time just use one of those ,
Yeah you got the initial fees , but such a scheme would re coop that in donations, Even if they had to make a small charge £20-00 or under for each 7 hrs
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alte hase:
[So you would be content to have yourself or a family member attended to by a doctor ‘trained’ up to dcpc standards?, or have your homes gas central heating fixed by a gas fitter ‘trained’ up to dcpc standards?
If this dcpc is so miraculous in transforming drivers from ‘also rans’ into top flight ‘pedigrees’, drivers would have been seeking to get their teeth into it long before being REQUIRED to do so, the trainers would have been snowed under by employers anxious to have their workforce ‘transformed’ ,especially in these hard economic times to take advantage of the obvious benifits of a ‘superior’ driver, the ultimate driver would be one with a new licence fresh of the dcpc production line, what we have instead is employers knowing better than the propaganda, looking for drivers with proven experience, and those fresh from the dcpc production line/test center are about as welcomed as a rattlesnake in a lucky dip, whatever slant the dcpc industry wants to put on their product, the fact remains the transport industry can see it as the counterfeit currency that it is, but they are being forced to accept it as currency of the realm, if it was a voluntarily aquired qualification, like completing the IAM advance drivers course, as a product it could not be ‘sold’ as conforming to the trade descriptions act.
Given the large number of infections and even fatalities caused by lack of basic hygiene among doctors and nurses in hospitals I would have no objection to them being given 7 hours of training a year by someone who was NOT a qualified doctor , but had some basic knowledge and common sense.
When suffering from an eye infection in one eye I had both my GP and a opthalmic specialist examine my infected eye, then try and poke their now dirty unwashed fingers into my uninfected eye.
Their attitude was ‘the infection is going to spread’. They both got quite upset when I pointed out that I had been using basic common sense, and had washed the infected eye after washing my uninfected eye and had then washed my hands in disinfectant solution so the infection wasn’t going to spread, and I would thank them to take the same trouble.
So yes everyone needs to be trained if what they do can impact on others, and sometimes experts forget (or don’t bother with) the basics.
You only have to look at the endless reports of experienced truck drivers killing or being killed doing routine tasks to realise that this is no different.
shytalk:
If u were not making a living out of it you wouldnt be doing it…
It would depend on your motives for setting up such as scheme, would it not ? But you talibann will work for nothing as they have been doing ,driving or delivering the DCPC & if you can’t understand halve of what is said, does it really matter, it’s only an asses on seats type course after all ?
at the end of the day its a farce nothing more nothing less, trainers and i am guessing will have almost no experience of teaching or delivering lectures/modules right up until they get the ‘jaupt’ go ahead!
so we have people with little or no clue how to teach, teaching!
also why would a driver with x amount of years experience want to sit and listen to someone who has probably done half at best of what they have in the job tell him or her what they should do during a walk round check?
i have had this arguement many times before until someone provides a syllabus of a worthwhile course for an experienced driver then i am afriad my opinion wont change.
cant blame the trainers for getting in on the act and making a few quid but i certainly wont pay for it! 
war1974:
at the end of the day its a farce nothing more nothing less, trainers and i am guessing will have almost no experience of teaching or delivering lectures/modules right up until they get the ‘jaupt’ go ahead!
so we have people with little or no clue how to teach, teaching!
also why would a driver with x amount of years experience want to sit and listen to someone who has probably done half at best of what they have in the job tell him or her what they should do during a walk round check?i have had this arguement many times before until someone provides a syllabus of a worthwhile course for an experienced driver then i am afriad my opinion wont change.
cant blame the trainers for getting in on the act and making a few quid but i certainly wont pay for it!
Even more so have someone telling them about things that aren’t relivent to their job
alte hase:
shytalk:
I wonder how many would attend a course if it was free gratis !■■In its present form it would still be overpriced, I had the ‘pleasure’ of sitting thru a module paid for by DHL, it was presented by an affable fella who told the assembled drivers, ‘‘well lads you know its cobblers, but we got to do it, EU and those luvvies have decreed it so’’, his nature and the fact that he was an ex driver made the episode just about bearable, it was so memorable in content that a month later you simply could not recall anything you had ‘learnt’, still I’m now part qualified, which is handy because I’ve only got 40 years experience to date.
Sounds to me like a very unprofessional trainer, playing to the gallery.
What he should have done is
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Set out the topics for the day
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Established the basic knowledge base of the trainees.
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Identified ‘holes’ in the knowledge and who wanted to know what
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filled the ‘holes’; corrected misunderstandings.
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Sought feedback from trainees on what they now understood
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Recapped and answered last questions.
I know that the way some D CPC courses are pre-scripted, but this is the way every effective training course I have attended has been done.
Still I’m sure he got a cheap laugh out of it the way he did it…but you can’t remember anything else even though you think you already knew it!
Many DCPC trainers have got teaching qualifications and plenty of experience under their belt. You do hear about unqualified and unexperienced trainers, but you cannot tar everyone with the same brush.
And to the comment that we would not be training, if we weren’t making a living out of it. I thought that was a definition of a paid job but I stand to be corrected. I am sure there are many HGV drivers out there doing it for no reward. But then again if you were, they may not have to do the Driver CPC. Maybe that is the answer 
Problem solved… No paid drivers … no DCPC
We know everyone has to make a living…the point i made about it being free , school for your kids is free unless its private or boarding but the teacher gets paid , if you were paid but drivers could attend free of there own choice how many would bother…but because schooling is set by law you have to attend even though its free and hope they learn from it and progress in life, DCPC is required if you want to carry on driving for a living, my argument is it worth it to lots of drivers nearing retirement or want early retirement and have donkeys yrs of experience …i cant see the benefit at all…so by sept 2014 i will not carry on driving for a living.
shytalk:
We know everyone has to make a living…the point i made about it being free , school for your kids is free unless its private or boarding but the teacher gets paid , if you were paid but drivers could attend free of there own choice how many would bother…but because schooling is set by law you have to attend even though its free and hope they learn from it and progress in life, DCPC is required if you want to carry on driving for a living, my argument is it worth it to lots of drivers nearing retirement or want early retirement and have donkeys yrs of experience …i cant see the benefit at all…so by sept 2014 i will not carry on driving for a living.
I do think it was a bad move not to exempt anybody who would have been over the age of 60 on Sept 2014 from the DCPC. Especially as similar exemptions have been allowed in other Countries.
ugt:
tommy t:
I’m surprised that the DCPC charity hasn’t yet been born,
There would be nothing illegal about it as they would provide training as per JAUPT but apart from charging the upload fee , it would be up to the candidates how much or little they choose to donate to keep this source of cheap DCPC in business , If something like that ever happened it would turn what we currently have on it’s head , I’m surprised that non of our talibann colleagues haven’t already implemented a similar scheme , Although the whole thing being scrapped would be the best solution all round (for us humble stearling wheel attendents )That is a good idea.
Bloody hell! Prepared to give out all that outlay 
…You are obviously making even MORE out of it than I thought.
£2760 outlay! Similar cost to a newbie doing class 2 and 1 plus the Dcpc modules!
What■■? All gone quiet? No posts since 5:30 this morning? Wow
Come on boys - I feel neglected - on my birthday as well! 
shep532:
What■■? All gone quiet? No posts since 5:30 this morning? WowCome on boys - I feel neglected - on my birthday as well!
Maybe the pro DCPC contingent have finally got it. 
.ie…we can see right through it, so they have given up trying to convince us. Incidentally Mr DCPC derf’s reply to my answer to his pop at me yesterday is conspicuous by it’s absence, 
maybe because he has got fed up with contributing to an “insignificant public forum” as he calls it 
… By the way Happy Birthday!
robroy:
By the way Happy Birthday!
Aww shucks … I didn’t think anybody cared (Well actually I knew nobody cared cos I didn’t a single ■■■■■■■ card or present)