war1974:
well i aint doing it my digi card expired and i doubt i will even renew that and i really pity the fools who think wages will increase once it comes in!
Very trueā¦but the scaremongers on here that think they will benefit because its going to break the law if you dontā¦it mite make you more credit worthy on paper but you cant buy experience.
mickyblue:
I think at the moment having a CPC card helps you get a job quicker then a driver with no CPC card - my opinion
Thatās fair comment, and Iād agree with that. I did see a job advertised locally which stated āmust have completed at least 14 hours of DCPCā or somesuch.
Iāve got my card, I bit the bullet and did the whole lot about a fortnight before I put the truck on the road but I agree that it is pretty much a waste of time and money, and although it wouldnāt surprise me if the September 2014 date was pushed back, I canāt see it going away completely.
Harry Monk:
mickyblue:
I think at the moment having a CPC card helps you get a job quicker then a driver with no CPC card - my opinionThatās fair comment, and Iād agree with that. I did see a job advertised locally which stated āmust have completed at least 14 hours of DCPCā or somesuch.
Iāve got my card, I bit the bullet and did the whole lot about a fortnight before I put the truck on the road but I agree that it is pretty much a waste of time and money, and although it wouldnāt surprise me if the September 2014 date was pushed back, I canāt see it going away completely.
It canāt go away completely or there will be a awfull lot of peed of people who have already paid for what would be a worthless peice of paper, and looking for compensation
Cpc is a good ideas just done wrong and saying expearance makes a good driver is tosh a good driver is one that adapts and get the job done propley first time
its a good idea for newbies but in the olden days we had dcpc training it was called going with your dad during the summer holidays!
unfotunatly people cant do this now so no experience is passed on 
Start a new job on wed 2nd jan, 3 dayās of the 5 day induction goes towards the DCPC, and the other 2 days will be paid for by the company as the year goes on. you pay the cost back if you leave within a certain time, but as i tend to stay in a job for a good while ( only left last job due to redundancy )that shouldān be an issue.
The DCPC is a good idea only if it is structured to be relevant to the job and will teach you something, sadly most of it will not. a good friend of mine sat through 3 days of the same training but it gave him 21hrs of training.
I found driving hours good as a lot of exspeanced drivers got a lot wrong and still do but if you did more proper tests written ones not multi choise and teach you like how to do things like changing a wheel break down do and donts
Angus25:
Cpc is a good ideas just done wrong and saying expearance makes a good driver is tosh a good driver is one that adapts and get the job done propley first time
So DCPC does then eh? experience isnt just the driving part, and if its tosh why do companys ask for at least 2 yrs experience ? i rest my case DCPC= robbery !
The fact someone has had the licence for X years cuts not ice these days.
We are meant to be professionals & in that way we should do extra training that develops our existing qualifications as others do in varied careers in & outside of the transport industry.
But some of the Driver CPC modules need to be more work related & more specialised for the work we carry out.
The fact that ADR & HIAB training can count towards the hours is a good move, but the training still needs to be looked at.
A lot of things have changed over the years since i did my HGV training in 1995.
Yes it was worth doing the 35 hours of training & i did learn from it, but 1 day ever year over 5 years does not seem that bad.
I realise their are those who will totally disagree with my post, but we all have our different views on this emotive subject.
skypilot:
The fact that ADR & HIAB training can count towards the hours is a good move
Hang on ā¦ we had both of those before the dcpc but now they cost extra just to gain some dcpc hours - where is the extra actual training gain in that?
The thing is people wont agree for dcpc or not people donāt like change exsperanced or not but Iām of the school you never stop learning but I hope for better courses like I said befor something like how to change a tyre or walk round checks. Thing is we will have these threads going on for ever and ever and I bet the ones that say they wonāt do it have now let see how many pages we can get.
Drivers will only start to generally agree about the dcpc if it is targetted at those that need it and it is made specific to the job they do
If the dcpc had been targetted at companies then it would have made more sense as companies would devise specific training needs for the drivers they employ
I have not heard many complaints from the 50% (approx) of drivers who were paid and given dcpc training by the companies they work for
ROG:
skypilot:
The fact that ADR & HIAB training can count towards the hours is a good moveHang on ā¦ we had both of those before the dcpc but now they cost extra just to gain some dcpc hours - where is the extra actual training gain in that?
I agree rog.
ROG:
skypilot:
The fact that ADR & HIAB training can count towards the hours is a good moveHang on ā¦ we had both of those before the dcpc but now they cost extra just to gain some dcpc hours - where is the extra actual training gain in that?
Then do the ADR or HIAB without the CPC then - no cost increase. 
In most cases the CPC costs about an extra Ā£25 on top. Considering Ā£8.75 goes to the DSA that leaves Ā£16.25 for the trainer. The trainer will have paid JAUPT Ā£252 to register the course and another Ā£1500 for centre approval, plus the time to do the paperwork for registration. They then have to issue certificates of attendance, upload the CPC training, do various other bits of record keeping and admin and retain the records somewhere for 6 years. This is all on top of whatever they have to do for the ADR or HIAB etc.
Most HIAB courses will only have 3 or 4 people ā¦ I reckon the trainers probably donāt make a penny extra. Even on ADR where there can be a few more people on the course I know thereās no extra money in it - the CPC bit is done just to help out.
Anyway - I was told on Saturday that the scheme has been scrapped. The announcement will be made in the New Year. Anyone with a current DQC can send it back to the DSA for a refund. Anyone with a certificate of attendance but no DQC needs to approach the original training provider for a refund of Ā£1.25 per hour.
This must be true cos the driver who told me also said that last week VOSA fined him Ā£5 for each strap hanging from the roof of his trailer that he hadnāt used to secure his load. It should have cost him Ā£65.00 but he got a discount because it was nearly Christmas. I think he also mentioned heād been fined before - something about turns on some handle or otherā ā ?
shep532:
I think he also mentioned heād been fined before - something about turns on some handle or otherā ā ?
Yeh ok!..right
shep532:
Anyway - I was told on Saturday that the scheme has been scrapped. The announcement will be made in the New Year. Anyone with a current DQC can send it back to the DSA for a refund. Anyone with a certificate of attendance but no DQC needs to approach the original training provider for a refund of Ā£1.25 per hour.This must be true cos the driver who told me also said that last week VOSA fined him Ā£5 for each strap hanging from the roof of his trailer that he hadnāt used to secure his load. It should have cost him Ā£65.00 but he got a discount because it was nearly Christmas. I think he also mentioned heād been fined before - something about turns on some handle or otherā ā ?
Based on your very reliable source, we had better shut shop too and start to save up all those Ā£1.25 refunds. 
Rising number of people doing Driver CPC
shep532:
ROG:
skypilot:
The fact that ADR & HIAB training can count towards the hours is a good moveHang on ā¦ we had both of those before the dcpc but now they cost extra just to gain some dcpc hours - where is the extra actual training gain in that?
Then do the ADR or HIAB without the CPC then - no cost increase.
So you agree with me that the only purpose fo the dcpc to be added to those courses is to make money for somebody without any training benefit to the driver ?
I love you trainer guys , I reckon that you have actually convinced yourselves that this BS is of some use. If you really think you are on some vocational crusade to make us more professional, why have you not lobbied the powers that be about some of the futility about it in itās present form, for instance how is it beneficial for me to cover the exact identical sylllabus every session which would render me āQualifiedā at the end of them, or are you not bothered as you get paid anywayā¦ Reckon I know the answer alreadyā¦not botheredā¦, Iām on the gravytrainā¦, know itās all bullcrap reallyā¦, but hey 
ā¦itās easier than drivingā¦, and these mugs are making me minted 
ā¦so bring it on
Love this idea that trainers are āmintedā. I know many trainers who still drive as well including myself.
