jakethesnake:
Needs to be noted that some on here who want it scrapped can’t even string a sentence together.
You don’t have to pass a written exam to get your DCPC card you turn up!
Yes I know I did one course before I retired.
But I do think there should be once its been
better prepared (if that ever happens).
If there’s a test involved people tend to listen better.
They won’t bring a test in as they know drivers will fail (i think 40% was mentioned in another DCPC thread) if they did bring tests in and this was the case what would happen to those drivers who would lose their licences?
I am one of those that hates DCPC, it needs to be relevant to the jobs the people on the course do not just random stuff to cover all, the day needs to be shorter which could easily be achieved by them cutting out all the pointless waffle and it should be free if the whole point of doing it is to make us better drivers.
jakethesnake:
Needs to be noted that some on here who want it scrapped can’t even string a sentence together.
You don’t have to pass a written exam to get your DCPC card you turn up!
Yes I know I did one course before I retired.
But I do think there should be once its been
better prepared (if that ever happens).
If there’s a test involved people tend to listen better.
They won’t bring a test in as they know drivers will fail (i think 40% was mentioned in another DCPC thread) if they did bring tests in and this was the case what would happen to those drivers who would lose their licences?
I am one of those that hates DCPC, it needs to be relevant to the jobs the people on the course do not just random stuff to cover all, the day needs to be shorter which could easily be achieved by them cutting out all the pointless waffle and it should be free if the whole point of doing it is to make us better drivers.
Failure wouldnt mean instant loss of licence, simply that you need to do a day on the relevant course
ScaniaUltimate:
Driving a heavy truck is akin to football.
You can know all the rules & tactics there are to be be a good footballer but if you don’t ‘feel’ the game you will never be anywhere near the best.
Safe truck drivers ‘feel’ the vehicle all the time. They are subconsciously aware of how the physics of the load, the road, the momentum etc. are combining to dictate the safety of the position they are in. When they load their vehicle they can naturally ‘feel’ where the load restraints need to be placed.
The gut tells them before the brain does that something is being pushed too far or is wrong.
Spatial awareness, hand-eye-foot co-ordination, & other physical necessities are all honed to be ‘auto-pilot’ responses.
If studying is not that most skilled of driver’s abilities, maybe a law or two are broken to deliver the load safely.
However you can be assured that the only laws that truly matter will not be broken - the laws of physics.
For sure the ideal driver combines great intellect with the natural feel & harmony of driving, but we can’t reserve the job just for those few. It is a situation we can allow for pilots due to their fewer number, not truck drivers.
On balance I would prefer natural drivers over the educated ones to share the road with.
Lets not put our best drivers off the road to replace them with unfeeling academics.
The people causing the worst danger are those who do not feel the vehicle.
Our man made laws are flexible, vast & changing continuously. No amount of training will teach a person them all.
We will all fall foul of the occasional one, but the biggest toll is paid when we fall foul of physical laws.
It is the same in most physical industries.
The best bricklayers, miners, crane operators etc. will not be the most academic, but those most able to ‘feel’ their work.
I say,thats as good a summary of how it is, as likely to be heard anywhere in these islands.Genius grade sir.
Failure wouldnt mean instant loss of licence, simply that you need to do a day on the relevant course
Will there be a test at the end of that day if so what if you have someone who has problems with reading and writing which was reported recently as being a huge hidden problem in this country and they fail again?.
Failure wouldnt mean instant loss of licence, simply that you need to do a day on the relevant course
Will there be a test at the end of that day if so what if you have someone who has problems with reading and writing which was reported recently as being a huge hidden problem in this country and they fail again?.
It seems that for those with such difficulties there is help on the Theory Driving Test gov.uk/theory-test/reading- … -condition
I don’t know how well that works?
That should be available for DCPC too, if it is necessary.
Failure wouldnt mean instant loss of licence, simply that you need to do a day on the relevant course
Will there be a test at the end of that day if so what if you have someone who has problems with reading and writing which was reported recently as being a huge hidden problem in this country and they fail again?.
It seems that for those with such difficulties there is help on the Theory Driving Test gov.uk/theory-test/reading- … -condition
I don’t know how well that works?
That should be available for DCPC too, if it is necessary.
That is good but i have a feeling drivers who have kept this hidden from colleagues are not going to out themselves over DCPC they will fail and see what happens, the government cannot afford to lose drivers over this so it’ll be interesting to see how this pans out.
Failure wouldnt mean instant loss of licence, simply that you need to do a day on the relevant course
Will there be a test at the end of that day if so what if you have someone who has problems with reading and writing which was reported recently as being a huge hidden problem in this country and they fail again?.
You appear to be confusing me with a government minister. Yes I’m an annoying t wat like them but I don’t hold elected office. Yet.
Failure wouldnt mean instant loss of licence, simply that you need to do a day on the relevant course
Will there be a test at the end of that day if so what if you have someone who has problems with reading and writing which was reported recently as being a huge hidden problem in this country and they fail again?.
You appear to be confusing me with a government minister. Yes I’m an annoying t wat like them but I don’t hold elected office. Yet.
I am not confusing you with anyone, you gave your view on what could be done if they failed so i asked your view on what would be the consequences of them failing again.
Failure wouldnt mean instant loss of licence, simply that you need to do a day on the relevant course
Will there be a test at the end of that day if so what if you have someone who has problems with reading and writing which was reported recently as being a huge hidden problem in this country and they fail again?.
You appear to be confusing me with a government minister. Yes I’m an annoying t wat like them but I don’t hold elected office. Yet.
I am not confusing you with anyone, you gave your view on what could be done if they failed so i asked your view on what would be the consequences of them failing again.
Nobody would fail just because they can’t read or write well. Not really a hidden problem these days and plenty of systems in place to assist people
Why, do they always wheel out the ones that can’t get their facts right?
Oh, and if we scrap the CPC here, we instantly eradicate what is left of the UK’s International transport.
Not necessarilly, if they did scrap it, those who do the Continent could still do it.
I don’t know the full ins and outs of the DCPC but often wondered if the Turks, Russians and other non EU states need to put their European drivers through it just to drive in the EU.
‘The Danish transportation organisation (ITD) has urged the Danish Government to allow senior drivers to keep their jobs and have their pensions at the same time. It also wants the CPC training requirements to be scrapped for experienced drivers.’
Scrapped, because it’s not fit for purpose and it’s a major factor in a great many drivers reasons for tending allotments instead of carrying on driving.
yourhavingalarf:
Scrapped, because it’s not fit for purpose and it’s a major factor in a great many drivers reasons for tending allotments instead of carrying on driving.
I think the general consensus is that experienced drivers gain least benefit from it; although I still maintain that nobody can truthfully say that they learned absolutely nothing from all the courses they’ve attended, even if it’s only correcting something we thought we were doing right for many years. Scrapping it altogether would be a completely retrograde step, and would not do us any favours. It does however need a complete overhaul, and I believe the powers that be are talking about this; to make it more fit for purpose and not solely dependent on getting bums on seats for a fixed number of hours. The training industry won’t like it but they’ve done well out of it for a fair few years.
I’m also somewhat sceptical about the number of drivers “tending allotments”. I know quite a few men down here, well past official retirement age, who still carry on working either full or part time because their employer is happy to pay both their DCPC costs and also the annual medical fees which are compulsory after 65; it is high time the latter was extended to 70 and that might make even more difference than the DCPC. I took that particular matter up with my local MP a few years ago, mindful that I myself would be working till 67; the reply was that the DoT wouldn’t play ball.
Sidevalve:
I’m also somewhat sceptical about the number of drivers “tending allotments”.
That’s a…
Fair comment. I have no idea of the actual numbers of drivers who stopped when the Dcpc first appeared. I do know of two drivers who quit becasue of it’s implementation and haven’t returned since. They might come back and drive if it was scrapped, who knows?
To alleviate the immediate shortage and all the crap that’s coming with it, termination or suspension (or extending it’s current validity to 10 years) would definately help the current situation.
