jakethesnake:
Needs to be noted that some on here who want it scrapped can’t even string a sentence together.
Another sweeping…
Generalisation from the preening fraud.
I’ve known drivers who struggled to read and write but had no problems at all driving a lorry incident free for decades. Perhaps blind people shouldn’t play the piano or one armed men play the drums right?
yourhavingalarf:
jakethesnake:
Needs to be noted that some on here who want it scrapped can’t even string a sentence together.I’ve known drivers who struggled to read and write but had no problems at all driving a lorry incident free for decades.
Got to agree mate, just because somebody maybe ain’t academically inclined does not make him thick.
I’ve known drivers who either read badly, or can neither add up spell or anything else (and there is nothing wrong with that either, it’s just the way some guys are) and they are bloody good ‘proper’ drivers,.and why should they not be?,…as long as you can make a sign out,.and know how a map works. (Sat nav slaves just ignore that last bit btw 
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What could be a problem for them however, is if the dcpc becomes an exam scenario.
But for me I would rather take on one of those guys as a driver, than somebody who got his dcpc,.and as a crap driver slipped through the net, just because he knows his way around an exam situation.
Firstly I’m not a fraud and secondly I didn’t say just because they can’t string a sentence together that they can’t drive.
I have come across many over the years who have a great natural ability to drive but when it comes to theory they are hopeless. Does not make them any less of a person though. We are all different. I have met and trained many very intelligent people who just can’t grasp driving a lorry.
My point is that standards need to improve and for that to happen every driver needs to understand the theory side of driving. Fine being an excellent driver but if you don’t understand the rules you can’t drive accordingly then safety is usually compromised.
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just thinking there jake When I did operator licence CPC I was not bothered about how many toilets ect were needed for a said amount of people ,not bothered about abnormal load,s ect ect my attention was paid to how to work out running costs and run within the law , I think I paid about £350 quid 1983…It was a good course enjoyed most of it quite a lot of maths .
fuse:
howay jake name names
What?
fuse:
just thinking there jake When I did operator licence CPC I was not bothered about how many toilets ect were needed for a said amount of people ,not bothered about abnormal load,s ect ect my attention was paid to how to work out running costs and run within the law , I think I paid about £350 quid 1983…It was a good course enjoyed most of it quite a lot of maths .
Yeah I did my national and international many years ago. Forgotten it all now. All out of date.
Don’t remember doing any maths?
Driving a heavy truck is akin to football.
You can know all the rules & tactics there are to be be a good footballer but if you don’t ‘feel’ the game you will never be anywhere near the best.
Safe truck drivers ‘feel’ the vehicle all the time. They are subconsciously aware of how the physics of the load, the road, the momentum etc. are combining to dictate the safety of the position they are in. When they load their vehicle they can naturally ‘feel’ where the load restraints need to be placed.
The gut tells them before the brain does that something is being pushed too far or is wrong.
Spatial awareness, hand-eye-foot co-ordination, & other physical necessities are all honed to be ‘auto-pilot’ responses.
If studying is not that most skilled of driver’s abilities, maybe a law or two are broken to deliver the load safely.
However you can be assured that the only laws that truly matter will not be broken - the laws of physics.
For sure the ideal driver combines great intellect with the natural feel & harmony of driving, but we can’t reserve the job just for those few. It is a situation we can allow for pilots due to their fewer number, not truck drivers.
On balance I would prefer natural drivers over the educated ones to share the road with.
Lets not put our best drivers off the road to replace them with unfeeling academics.
The people causing the worst danger are those who do not feel the vehicle.
Our man made laws are flexible, vast & changing continuously. No amount of training will teach a person them all.
We will all fall foul of the occasional one, but the biggest toll is paid when we fall foul of physical laws.
It is the same in most physical industries.
The best bricklayers, miners, crane operators etc. will not be the most academic, but those most able to ‘feel’ their work.
Good post SU but I don’t entirely agree. I was lucky to have a natural ability for driving but some of the loads I have carried over the years could not have been secured by feel alone. I had to learn mostly from other drivers in the old days some of which was right and some wrong but I have always been a conscientious type and always wanted to find the correct way. I took pride in my roped and sheeted load and was upset when anything worked loose.
Regarding safety, do you think all the attrocious driving we see are drivers with feel. All the tailgaters, all the elephant racers, all the selfish bullying that goes on from some lorries.
To me these type of drivers are less aware of the dire consequences they can cause. In other words maybe not very bright.
If you did how did you work out your running costs without maths…and weights …marker boards on long loads
robroy:
yourhavingalarf:
jakethesnake:
Needs to be noted that some on here who want it scrapped can’t even string a sentence together.I’ve known drivers who struggled to read and write but had no problems at all driving a lorry incident free for decades.
Got to agree mate, just because somebody maybe ain’t academically inclined does not make him thick.
I’ve known drivers who either read badly, or can neither add up spell or anything else (and there is nothing wrong with that either, it’s just the way some guys are) and they are bloody good ‘proper’ drivers,.and why should they not be?,…as long as you can make a sign out,.and know how a map works. (Sat nav slaves just ignore that last bit btw(Both are also much me talented drivers than me
What could be a problem for them however, is if the dcpc becomes an exam scenario.
But for me I would rather take on one of those guys as a driver, than somebody who got his dcpc,.and as a crap driver slipped through the net, just because he knows his way around an exam situation.
This. My dyslexic Dad and brother are/were some of the cleverest people I’ve ever known. Dad is online but just to take stuff in, he never ever posts anything. Which is a shame as he knows so much, he was a brilliant mechanic up til age 40 or so, and people could learn so much from him. But it’s just his kids and grandkids who get that honour!
So as you can see I’m aware of the pitfalls of making it an exam but it could accommodate different people’s needs in this day and age.
They’re both also much better drivers than me. Which isn’t exactly saying much 
jakethesnake:
Good post SU but I don’t entirely agree. I was lucky to have a natural ability for driving but some of the loads I have carried over the years could not have been secured by feel alone. I had to learn mostly from other drivers in the old days some of which was right and some wrong but I have always been a conscientious type and always wanted to find the correct way. I took pride in my roped and sheeted load and was upset when anything worked loose.Regarding safety, do you think all the attrocious driving we see are drivers with feel. All the tailgaters, all the elephant racers, all the selfish bullying that goes on from some lorries.
To me these type of drivers are less aware of the dire consequences they can cause. In other words maybe not very bright.
Yes we all need the initial instruction (just like we need to be shown how to drive first) but then ‘feel’ takes the knowledge to another level of usefulness.
I was not advocating not receiving any training, but expressing the way that those with ‘feel’ have something more valuable than facts & figures - academic requirements.
I agree “conscientious type” is certainly another requirement to do our job well. Again more valuable than even 100% knowledge of rules.
A driver with ‘feel’ would not tailgate for long. The gut does not allow it. The churning soon kicks in self preservation mode (which is age related).
I accept there are drivers with terrible attitudes & great natural driving ability.
Interesting to see some positive comments for a change, instead of just the usual cry of “scrap it”
I see a lot of posts saying what a huge cash cow DCPC is, Training Providers getting rich quick, and how numpty trainers are coining it in with inadequate levels of knowledge.
What I haven’t yet seen is someone saying how they decided they’d “have some of that”, and now have a nice cushy job with big money, teaching DCPC. So, taking the thread title quite literally, if anyone had that idea but didn’t know where to start with it, this is a brief overview of “what needs to be done”
The first port of call would be
gov.uk/guidance/set-up-a-dr … ing-centre
Unless you plan on only doing online courses, you’ll need some physical place to run your courses, your training centre, I believe rented office space is acceptable
To apply to get your centre approved, you need a ‘scheme of control’ telling them how you will conduct the training, and the fee of £1,500, as well as other paperwork (this applies to online course providers too)
You’d need to get some certification to show you’re trained in training techniques, such as BTEC AET or other “train the trainer” type courses.
Also some certificated evidence to prove your industry knowledge, such as the RTITB Master DCPC trainer certificate or a TM CPC, as well as fire and first aid certificates if any of your courses include these elements, maybe ADR certification if you want to include some dangerous goods in your courses
When you’ve got all that, you need to have each trainer approved by JAUPT and to jump through a whole other set of hoops, such as creating your courses and paying £252 to reapprove each course each year, so £1260 as you’ll want five courses minimum) and submit to in-course auditing
jaupt.org.uk/docs-guides-and-links/
You’ll need to deal with your bookings and other computer style work, including uploading the hours to the DVSA website, and of course you’ll need to have some method for handling the money coming into your business from your candidates, so some form of business banking system.
After all that, you’re ready to start milking your cash cow…
I thought it was a cash cow for some one .one thing for sure the the owners and the drivers are meeting more people with their hands out before the driver gets a crumb
fuse:
I thought it was a cash cow for some one .one thing for sure the the owners and the drivers are meeting more people with their hands out before the driver gets a crumb
Well there’s nothing stopping you now from filling your boots and getting some of that easy money
I was on about the people you have to pay so you can do your job 
ScaniaUltimate:
jakethesnake:
Good post SU but I don’t entirely agree. I was lucky to have a natural ability for driving but some of the loads I have carried over the years could not have been secured by feel alone. I had to learn mostly from other drivers in the old days some of which was right and some wrong but I have always been a conscientious type and always wanted to find the correct way. I took pride in my roped and sheeted load and was upset when anything worked loose.Regarding safety, do you think all the attrocious driving we see are drivers with feel. All the tailgaters, all the elephant racers, all the selfish bullying that goes on from some lorries.
To me these type of drivers are less aware of the dire consequences they can cause. In other words maybe not very bright.
Yes we all need the initial instruction (just like we need to be shown how to drive first) but then ‘feel’ takes the knowledge to another level of usefulness.
I was not advocating not receiving any training, but expressing the way that those with ‘feel’ have something more valuable than facts & figures - academic requirements.
I agree “conscientious type” is certainly another requirement to do our job well. Again more valuable than even 100% knowledge of rules.A driver with ‘feel’ would not tailgate for long. The gut does not allow it. The churning soon kicks in self preservation mode (which is age related).
I accept there are drivers with terrible attitudes & great natural driving ability.
I understand and agree entirely.
Zac_A:
Interesting to see some positive comments for a change, instead of just the usual cry of “scrap it”I see a lot of posts saying what a huge cash cow DCPC is, Training Providers getting rich quick, and how numpty trainers are coining it in with inadequate levels of knowledge.
What I haven’t yet seen is someone saying how they decided they’d “have some of that”, and now have a nice cushy job with big money, teaching DCPC. So, taking the thread title quite literally, if anyone had that idea but didn’t know where to start with it, this is a brief overview of “what needs to be done”
The first port of call would be
gov.uk/guidance/set-up-a-dr … ing-centreUnless you plan on only doing online courses, you’ll need some physical place to run your courses, your training centre, I believe rented office space is acceptable
To apply to get your centre approved, you need a ‘scheme of control’ telling them how you will conduct the training, and the fee of £1,500, as well as other paperwork (this applies to online course providers too)
You’d need to get some certification to show you’re trained in training techniques, such as BTEC AET or other “train the trainer” type courses.
Also some certificated evidence to prove your industry knowledge, such as the RTITB Master DCPC trainer certificate or a TM CPC, as well as fire and first aid certificates if any of your courses include these elements, maybe ADR certification if you want to include some dangerous goods in your courses
When you’ve got all that, you need to have each trainer approved by JAUPT and to jump through a whole other set of hoops, such as creating your courses and paying £252 to reapprove each course each year, so £1260 as you’ll want five courses minimum) and submit to in-course auditing
jaupt.org.uk/docs-guides-and-links/You’ll need to deal with your bookings and other computer style work, including uploading the hours to the DVSA website, and of course you’ll need to have some method for handling the money coming into your business from your candidates, so some form of business banking system.
After all that, you’re ready to start milking your cash cow…
+1
jakethesnake:
Needs to be noted that some on here who want it scrapped can’t even string a sentence together.
You don’t pass a written exam to get your DCPC card you turn up!
Bin Man:
jakethesnake:
Needs to be noted that some on here who want it scrapped can’t even string a sentence together.You don’t have to pass a written exam to get your DCPC card you turn up!
Yes I know I did one course before I retired.
But I do think there should be once its been
better prepared (if that ever happens).
If there’s a test involved people tend to listen better.
