George@ASDA driver:
yeah sod it, let’s just scrap the entire highway code.
I sometimes wish they would, then maybe people would realise that you cannot drive to a text book 
Being a decent and safe driver involves more than just knowing the highway code.
I can easily imagine that lorry driver thinking to himself what the text book says about such situations, while pushing the car along
tachograph:
Dipper_Dave:
Horrendous driving, obvious the car was entering off the slip well before, so easy to avoid.
Yes the car should give way (and all that crap) but this could have ended a lot worse.Driver should be ashamed to call himself a professional driver.
10 times + a day this happens to me and I avoid a drama by a simple act of easing off, heaven forbid I may even pop the brakes on to help.
Notice how the driver closes the gap early on realising whats about to happen.
Shocking.
The footage, captured on the lorry’s dashboard camera, meant that the lorry driver was cleared of blame for the incident and no insurance claim was made against him or his employers.
Bollox- sorry the driver maybe technically correct in his ‘I have right of way’ attitude but in reality he/she is a danger to other road users.
This ^^^
It goes without saying that the car driver was an idiot who needs to learn to drive, but why couldn’t the lorry driver knock back a couple of clicks to make the whole situation safe.
I’ve no doubt that the “he had right of way” brigade will disagree though
The Fact is: If he had slammed his breaks on to avoid this idiot car driver, he may well have caused a pile up behind him. When they come down a slip road to join a motorway, they either speed up to get in front or they slow down They have to give way while you maintain your speed. Thats the rules! If they don’t know the rules, they shouldn’t be driving.
Rat67:
Dave55:
…Why should a driver have to look behind to compensate for poor driving?So just keep on looking forward and bollox to whatever’s behind?
Well,yeah,your words not mine.
If somebody is going to do a manoeuvre behind you, how are you going to change things? The car has decided to do an undertake while dashcam man is concentrating on boxjockey. The car driver has full view of dashcam man, who, can only see car driver in his mirror. We think dashcam man is too close to boxjockey,so he is keeping alert. Car driver is a chancer, he/she undertakes dashcam man and fails.(not enough power or bottles it-don’t know) Now,if car driver was level with boxjockey,dashcam man would have eased up and let him/her in.
Ok, just a thought -turn it around. Dual carrigeway ending and going down to single carrigeway. Same thing happens,car driver runs out of road and cuts in on dashcam man - who’s to blame?
He didn’t need to “slam his breaks [sic] on”. All he needed to do was back off a bit. I do it virtually every night, if someone in a car is in the same sort of position.
The car driver has some learning to do as well, mind. And I’m glad the courts have taken the view that they have, if only because it reinforces the message that slipway traffic does not have right of way.
I am really shocked on how many posters on here have no clue where the blind spots are on a truck and just cause the dash cam saw him (which is in the middle bottom of the window same level if not below the dash) you either say he did it on purpose or how about more likely the driver didn’t see due to said blind spots as I said on motorway I’m sure rog or someone will confirm this your meant to check your mirror every 6-8 seconds when travelling on a fast moving road its a little over 6 seconds from when he appears from the blind spot next to the passenger door and stuck on the front on the truck.
Think we all know where the blind spot is and the car is definately making a mistake trying to enter the motorway in this manner.
However at and just before the point of impact there is plenty that could be done to avoid the incident and let the car off with just a coffee bean shake or full blast on the horn, headlights (to show he was there off course). The car is slowing because he doesn’t know what to do, theres no sudden dip of the bonnet to show the brakes are coming on more a lift due to confusion.
Yes some out of the ordinary dare I say ‘professional’ compliance was required by the dash cam attendant to avoid the inevitable but either he choose not to, was caught totaly by surprise (unlikely) or best bet deliberately let things unfold as he was sick of being cut up at junctions.
Course he doesn’t have to give way or assist the car just that some of us would in order to avoid the hassle.
Do you believe the truck driver knew he would be bringing the car to a safe standstill afterwards, he hit it (or let it hit him) and bugger the consequences.
Think of the children
So to be professional we need to be clairvoyant too? what makes you think for one moment he saw him, next time your driving and have a scare (ie deer on road or you notice something you didn’t realise was there) you will by impulse pull on the wheel causing the truck to move or tap the brake, if you watch rather then judge cab stays steady till impact which means he didn’t see him do you check your front downward mirror if not at a crossing or nothing there it gets a glance when looking at left mirror as I said every 6-7 seconds rest of time eyes forward, and that mirror has limited coverage
(don’t know if its related or not but most of the known the main cyclist army group defending the car driver )
If he didn’t see him, he should have. Every slip road I pass I start glancing at the left hand mirrors as soon as I can see the slip road in them.
Watching the video - which I appreciate may not tell the whole story - there appears to be plenty of time for the truck driver to take action which would have helped avoid that incident. No one’s asking him to slam the brakes on, or veer out into the middle lane; all he had to do was watch his mirrors properly and knock his cruise control off when it became apparent that the car driver wasn’t going to make it. If at that point, the car driver had bottled it, anchored up and driven into the side of the truck, fair enough, but at least the truck driver would have done what he could to avoid a collision. As it it, it appears from the video that he didn’t.
This is not to defend the car driver, who appears to be a shockingly bad driver, just to point out that there looks to be more that the truck driver could have done.
George@ASDA driver:
yeah sod it, let’s just scrap the entire highway code.The car driver learnt a very harsh lesson, and if he, everyone he’s told, and every car driver who has viewed the video learns from it then fantastic!!! In fact they should use this video for educational purposes!!!
We should be educating these morons rather then ‘allowing’ for them!
You mean like running less than 40 feet behind the truck in front of you so there’s no room for traffic to merge at entry slip roads is ok in your book.It’s you and all those with your zb’d up ideas related to seperation distances who need educating not the car driver in this case.
tachograph:
George@ASDA driver:
yeah sod it, let’s just scrap the entire highway code.I sometimes wish they would, then maybe people would realise that you cannot drive to a text book
Being a decent and safe driver involves more than just knowing the highway code.
I can easily imagine that lorry driver thinking to himself what the text book says about such situations, while pushing the car along
The important bit is that the truck driver seemed to think that it’s ok to selectively observe the highway code when it suits him like vehicles having to give way at slip roads.But not when it doesn’t in the case of maintaining a safe seperation distance to the vehicle in front,including allowing space for the obvious predictable possibility of traffic merging ahead.
K5Project:
I am really shocked on how many posters on here have no clue where the blind spots are on a truck and just cause the dash cam saw him (which is in the middle bottom of the window same level if not below the dash) you either say he did it on purpose or how about more likely the driver didn’t see due to said blind spots as I said on motorway I’m sure rog or someone will confirm this your meant to check your mirror every 6-8 seconds when travelling on a fast moving road its a little over 6 seconds from when he appears from the blind spot next to the passenger door and stuck on the front on the truck.I’m also shocked at the ones what can’t judge distance as the truck never speeds up as the distance between the truck in front never really changes.
I’m not surprised the ones calling the driver in the video are the ones what go on about standards of professional drivers.its just boils down to poor judgement on the cars part as he has all around vision, Right of way dictates HGV has right of way (truck can’t even be polite and move over or slow off if he don’t make himself seen), Even if he did fit he’s going to cause the truck to anchor up or brake due to pulling into his braking distance then making others behind see brake lights and brake too.
This is why we can’t have nice things
That’s right blame everything on the blind spot.Don’t talk such nonsense.Any lorry driver that is unaware of a vehicle merging on to a motorway should not be on the road.
Then you go on to say people can’t judge distance but you seem to ignore the fact the lorry was far too close to the one in front.
You are also wrong about right of way.Priority maybe but not right of way.
In this case it was more that of a vehicle being obstructed from safely merging from an entry slip road owing to the truck concerned running much too close to the one in front than the car failing to observe priority.
K5Project:
So to be professional we need to be clairvoyant too? what makes you think for one moment he saw him, next time your driving and have a scare (ie deer on road or you notice something you didn’t realise was there) you will by impulse pull on the wheel causing the truck to move or tap the brake, if you watch rather then judge cab stays steady till impact which means he didn’t see him do you check your front downward mirror if not at a crossing or nothing there it gets a glance when looking at left mirror as I said every 6-7 seconds rest of time eyes forward, and that mirror has limited coverage
Ironically Claire Voyant is my weekend name (but thats another thread).
It would certainly help though. In this case he did see the car and I know this because I would have. Even with the car in clear view no attempt is made to avoid what was about to unfold. Not sure what this fixation is with timing on mirror views but when theres a nearside lane joining my path my nearside mirror gets a lot of attention, probably every 2-3 seconds till I’m sure everythings OK. Even then I have another look to see if anyones going for it down the hard shoulder.
That’s right blame everything on the blind spot.Don’t talk such nonsense.Any lorry driver that is unaware of a vehicle merging on to a motorway should not be on the road.
Then you go on to say people can’t judge distance but you seem to ignore the fact the lorry was far too close to the one in front.
You are also wrong about right of way.Priority maybe but not right of way.
err yes my 2nd post on this
Not really that’s the reflection for the cam the drivers eye line is a good 0.5 metres above that so total different reflection you will know your self whist driving your blind spots and line of sight its not like the car was there for ages so driver would of seen it he was there for a little over 6 seconds from pulling up the side to point of impact
yes he was maybe a bit too close to the truck in front but still that car who won’t go quick enough to merge want to pull into that trucks braking distance let me guess its the hgv’s fault when the one in front anchors up and crushes the car what had to do 57mph and squeeze into that trucks braking distance which is all ready cutting it fine as it is?Video even said hgv driver was found not at fault due to this video
Go ask people on the road who has right of way I bet you 85% of them think they do when merging on to a motor way and motorway traffic should make room for them another success story of Britan’s poor driving/test standards for Car drivers
I like how you can read words ie I’m wrong on the right of way picking words right of way/ given priority there not much in it same at a round about if your on your test and you cause another car to change or effect its course that’s a fail same.
But you can’t read all someone posts before you tell them there wrong. Are you sure you’ve got a HGV licence as you only seem to ramble on about your bike and pick faults with other HGV drivers?
and your comment about noticing him as far as the driver concerned as far as he could of know in them 6 seconds it took him to hit the front end he could of dropped back and gone in straight behind him (another blind spot)
But there you go, God of cyclists dictating who should be driving and who shouldn’t
I’m glad Albion pointed out the ‘right of way’ thing. We get the same prats here who say ‘I had right of way’ when in fact, no one has ‘right of way.’ Some traffic has to give way to other traffic, but if the one that’s supposed to give way doesn’t, then the other one should. There shouldn’t have to be a rule about that, but common sense is dead and buried. The lorry is up the arse of the one in front, I’ve no doubt he knew the car was there (yes the car drivers a twot) but he just sailed on and allowed the car to hit him. As I said before, how about if the car had slewed round and caused a massive pile up by ending up in the others lane/lanes. By the way, how long does it take for the gps on the camera to register a change in speed ? I’ve seen more than one that takes a couple of seconds at least, so seeing the speed not changing might be a bit misleading as far as gaining speed is concerned. The box jockey might have slowed down a bit, so why didn’t the hero with the camera… arrogant, inattention, bloody mindedness ?
I have watched the video a lot now, don’t watch the front, watch the drivers window and look in the bottom left of the windscreen at the drivers passenger window, did the car cross over from the left hand lane, certainly looks like it
Dafman:
I have watched the video a lot now, don’t watch the front, watch the drivers window and look in the bottom left of the windscreen at the drivers passenger window, did the car cross over from the left hand lane, certainly looks like it
also NOTHING passed either on the furthest left lane so the car it seams could have crossed. the line into the other lane
