Good for you making a stand Winseer. That’ll show 'em.
tango boy:
Winseer:
bjd:
Winseer:
I’ll use the blackwall tunnel instead then. I’m not going through the trouble of opening an account, & leaving cash on it at all times.
If I can’t pay “on the door” - I don’t go that way anymore - simples.How hard is it to make a call to pay or pay on-line its no different to paying the congestion charge at least it does away with getting to the tunnel and finding your tag don’t work or has no money on it
I don’t actually use the dartford crossing in my car that often. When I do, it’s usually on the spur of the moment - ie I’ve made the decision to “go that way” whilst already in transit.
How, then - am I supposed to “Pay online” whilst driving?
I’m not intending to pull into a costa coffee to get a damned internet connection, even assuming I’d bother to carry a laptop around with me everywhere.
Ditto for a phone I don’t use.The concept of “booking a crossing in advance” is absurd. I don’t file “drive plans” like pilots file “flight plans”. It’s a tunnel/bridge FFS - not a bloody cross channel ferry!
Saturday/Sunday Night this weekend is going to be a barrel of laughs by the looks of it as well… The whole tunnel is shut so they can presumably wheel out the new gantry displays, etc.
I’m taking this weekend off before I get “computa sez nah” when trying to take my wagon through there with an non-updated dart tag, that way because of “office oversight”.You don’t have to pay while you’re driving, you have a certain time to do it, online, with your mobile etc
Your moaning for the fun of moaning
There you go again! - If I’m out driving, and I suddenly decide I want to go through the crossing - I can’t - because I’d have to stop somewhere, to go online - assuming that there is anywhere this side of the river to get a “cloud” connection. You also make the false assumption that I carry a mobile - I don’t. Never have. I object to being put under pressure to get one all the time as well!
I suppose my big moan here is just that last point - I object to being told “You gotta get a mobile to be allowed to exist on Earth now - didn’t ya know?” 
Yeh. I’m moaning alright!
I might get one when it comes with unlimited internet that can be picked up everywhere for a reasonable subscription - pretty much the same as my home package now. I flog that to death - I can tell you! All the time I hear of people getting these huge “roaming” charges though… and all the spam texts… and all the “checking up on you” calls… and the “You’re cancelled” when I’m in transit to work… and the costs of the actual decent unit, and the subscription that assumes I make 1 minute calls to 500 people a week rather than 5 calls to 5 people lasting an hour each…
F–k me no. - I still don’t seem to be interested in getting one! 
Winseer:
There you go again! - If I’m out driving, and I suddenly decide I want to go through the crossing - I can’t - because I’d have to stop somewhere, to go online - assuming that there is anywhere this side of the river to get a “cloud” connection.
No sweat winseer, you can pay after crossing.
I don’t know what all the fuss is about, it’s so easy to pay and you do not have to stop to do it before your use the crossing, you can do it up the midnight following the day you use the crossing.
Alternatively once Dart Charge is in place you will be able to make one-off payments in advance or by midnight the day after crossing:
online at gov.uk/dart-charge
over the phone by calling: 0300 300 0120
via a payzone retail outlet
I just checked for Payzone outlets within 1 mile of my home postcode and there are 7. There are also 10 in Dartford.
I just hope that this new toll system is as fast as the Sunpass tolls in Florida, go through those at 70mph!
For anyone that really has a problem paying this website might be worth checking http://www.dartsave.co.uk/
I’ll be sorting out my payment once arriving at the barriers. We shall see then how much it eases congestion 
It takes less than 5 mins to set the account up . You can put as little as a tenner on it and can even get it to auto top up when it gets below a level . It seems that some people are putting silly little objects in the way of a reasonable attempt at reducing the gridlock that a lot of the people in the southeast deal with on a daily basis .As for making a point by using the Blackwall good luck with that I did read that’s going the same way !
ajt:
I’ll be sorting out my payment once arriving at the barriers. We shall see then how much it eases congestion
What barriers thay are goin too
Winseer:
There you go again! - If I’m out driving, and I suddenly decide I want to go through the crossing - I can’t - because I’d have to stop somewhere, to go online - assuming that there is anywhere this side of the river to get a “cloud” connection. You also make the false assumption that I carry a mobile - I don’t. Never have. I object to being put under pressure to get one all the time as well!I suppose my big moan here is just that last point - I object to being told “You gotta get a mobile to be allowed to exist on Earth now - didn’t ya know?”
I might get one when it comes with unlimited internet that can be picked up everywhere for a reasonable subscription - pretty much the same as my home package now. I flog that to death - I can tell you! All the time I hear of people getting these huge “roaming” charges though… and all the spam texts… and all the “checking up on you” calls… and the “You’re cancelled” when I’m in transit to work… and the costs of the actual decent unit, and the subscription that assumes I make 1 minute calls to 500 people a week rather than 5 calls to 5 people lasting an hour each…
[zb] me no. - I still don’t seem to be interested in getting one!
Blimey, you do like to moan don’t you, you have 24 HOURS to pay after you go through, you can do it online, on a mobile, on a landline, in a shop, at the post office. You can even pay upto 24 hours BEFORE you go, so all in all you have a 48 HOUR window to pay your charge.
Your life must be so miserable that anything out of the ordinary seems like Mt Everest to you in the winter.
Winseer:
There you go again! - If I’m out driving, and I suddenly decide I want to go through the crossing - I can’t - because I’d have to stop somewhere, to go online - assuming that there is anywhere this side of the river to get a “cloud” connection. You also make the false assumption that I carry a mobile - I don’t. Never have. I object to being put under pressure to get one all the time as well!
You have up to midnight the day after you’ve used the crossing to pay. so considering it’s free after 10pm, even if you went through it at 9:59pm you’d still have 26 hours to get home and go on line, or find a payment terminal or even a phone.
By all means complain about the fact we’re still paying for something that was paid off some 10 or so year ago and were told would be free once that was done.
But why are people trying to find difficulties in something so simple to understand, and that will hopefully help traffic move a bit easier once the new road layout is finished. I for one am sick of queuing at the crossing to get to and from work and sick of not being able to plan journey times, because I don’t know how long the queues for the booth will be.
Winseer:
tango boy:
Winseer:
bjd:
Winseer:
I’ll use the blackwall tunnel instead then. I’m not going through the trouble of opening an account, & leaving cash on it at all times.
If I can’t pay “on the door” - I don’t go that way anymore - simples.How hard is it to make a call to pay or pay on-line its no different to paying the congestion charge at least it does away with getting to the tunnel and finding your tag don’t work or has no money on it
I don’t actually use the dartford crossing in my car that often. When I do, it’s usually on the spur of the moment - ie I’ve made the decision to “go that way” whilst already in transit.
How, then - am I supposed to “Pay online” whilst driving?
I’m not intending to pull into a costa coffee to get a damned internet connection, even assuming I’d bother to carry a laptop around with me everywhere.
Ditto for a phone I don’t use.The concept of “booking a crossing in advance” is absurd. I don’t file “drive plans” like pilots file “flight plans”. It’s a tunnel/bridge FFS - not a bloody cross channel ferry!
Saturday/Sunday Night this weekend is going to be a barrel of laughs by the looks of it as well… The whole tunnel is shut so they can presumably wheel out the new gantry displays, etc.
I’m taking this weekend off before I get “computa sez nah” when trying to take my wagon through there with an non-updated dart tag, that way because of “office oversight”.You don’t have to pay while you’re driving, you have a certain time to do it, online, with your mobile etc
Your moaning for the fun of moaningThere you go again! - If I’m out driving, and I suddenly decide I want to go through the crossing - I can’t - because I’d have to stop somewhere, to go online - assuming that there is anywhere this side of the river to get a “cloud” connection. You also make the false assumption that I carry a mobile - I don’t. Never have. I object to being put under pressure to get one all the time as well!
I suppose my big moan here is just that last point - I object to being told “You gotta get a mobile to be allowed to exist on Earth now - didn’t ya know?”
I might get one when it comes with unlimited internet that can be picked up everywhere for a reasonable subscription - pretty much the same as my home package now. I flog that to death - I can tell you! All the time I hear of people getting these huge “roaming” charges though… and all the spam texts… and all the “checking up on you” calls… and the “You’re cancelled” when I’m in transit to work… and the costs of the actual decent unit, and the subscription that assumes I make 1 minute calls to 500 people a week rather than 5 calls to 5 people lasting an hour each…
[zb] me no. - I still don’t seem to be interested in getting one!
You haven’t actually read what anyone has said about paying for it.
I’m just amazed you haven’t mentioned Royal Mail at all. Yet…
You’ve obviously not been reading mine… My big beef is over this assumption that “everyone has a mobile to pay with”.
I think I can live with “park & ride” style payments after the event… You go to a website, they show you a pic of your car going through the tolls, you pay the money. What could be simpler - unless of course I’m still misunderstanding the system here as highlighted by the other posters above…
I want to see that picture btw. How many people have been charged the congestion charge wrongly - when that does NOT involve “sending you a picture”… 
There’s too much room for “being billed in error” with a system that doesn’t involve the charger having to actually prove a car was there at a certain time. You wouldn’t expect a ticket as a result of a speed camera without being sent the “proof photo” in the post after all.
I was once given a parking fine for “illegally parking my car the other end of the country”. I said I wasn’t there (Penzance), and could prove with 100 witnesses I was at work that day in Kent etc etc. But I got told "You have to cough up son, because you can’t prove the CAR wasn’t where it was illegally parked."
WTF? How likely is it that anyone would lend their car out from the works car park in my home town, then get it driven to the other end of the country, and be back in time for me to drive myself home?
I refused to pay the fine, - but got told “if you don’t pay the fine, you’ll be CCJ’d” and as I was trying to get a mortgage at the time, the last thing I needed was a trashed credit rating. I relucantly had to let myself be scammed by the system. It’s things like this that make me hate the system so much of course. 
What I find that eases the congestion greatly is changing lane a lot as soon as any of the other lanes starting moving a fraction quicker. This constant game of moving from left to right keeps everything flowing just peachy.
Has anyone thought what the toll booth operators are going to do after this, I mean is a mcdonalds drive through the closest fit or will they have to sit in a shed on the high street while random strangers offer them large denomination currency as they have no change.
Also whats the fastest my fellow dart taggers have gone for the barriers at, I once went at 10 mph, im gonna miss this game of bleep or bust.
Im just glad they have made the dart crossing for mobile phone owners only, thats one way to cut down on congestion…
Dipper_Dave:
Im just glad they have made the dart crossing for mobile phone owners only, thats one way to cut down on congestion…
The word “Troll” springs to mind here, will Winseer bite I wonder 
just had a look on~line. any shop in the UK displaying Payzone you can pay the charge in. which is about 85% of local shops
Dipper_Dave:
What I find that eases the congestion greatly is changing lane a lot as soon as any of the other lanes starting moving a fraction quicker. This constant game of moving from left to right keeps everything flowing just peachy.Has anyone thought what the toll booth operators are going to do after this, I mean is a mcdonalds drive through the closest fit or will they have to sit in a shed on the high street while random strangers offer them large denomination currency as they have no change.
Also whats the fastest my fellow dart taggers have gone for the barriers at, I once went at 10 mph, im gonna miss this game of bleep or bust.
Im just glad they have made the dart crossing for mobile phone owners only, thats one way to cut down on congestion…
I once went through at 24mph. Mind you, it was about 3am and the barrier was missing from the booth I went through. 
Naw. They’re just cutting down on Winseer…
Winseer:
You’ve obviously not been reading mine… My big beef is over this assumption that “everyone has a mobile to pay with”.I think I can live with “park & ride” style payments after the event… You go to a website, they show you a pic of your car going through the tolls, you pay the money. What could be simpler - unless of course I’m still misunderstanding the system here as highlighted by the other posters above…
I want to see that picture btw. How many people have been charged the congestion charge wrongly - when that does NOT involve “sending you a picture”…
There’s too much room for “being billed in error” with a system that doesn’t involve the charger having to actually prove a car was there at a certain time. You wouldn’t expect a ticket as a result of a speed camera without being sent the “proof photo” in the post after all.
I hope you’d remember that you’d used the crossing in the previous 24 hours, so why would you need a photo?
They don’t send a bill, it’s up to you to use one of the payment methods in the required time scale.
Of course if you fail to pay then I suppose you’ll get a reminder with the excess charge. then if you don’t believe it was you it would be time to dispute that.
And considering there are many ways to pay I can’t see why you feel it anti those who haven’t got a mobile phone. But as so many people have mobile smart phones it seems a good idea to allow them to use the technology to make payment quick and easy.
I think part of what winseer is getting at is what if a car with a similar plate goes thru and the ANPR gets it wrong. im sure they are using a two ANPR cameras to stop this
chester1:
I think part of what winseer is getting at is what if a car with a similar plate goes thru and the ANPR gets it wrong. im sure they are using a two ANPR cameras to stop this
I understand what Winseer getting at, but if you used the crossing and then went to pay, why would you need a photo to prove it?
Of course if somebody had cloned your plate and used it the first you’d know is when the letter demanding the payment and fine drops through the letterbox. Then that’s the time to ask for photo’s.
I’m sure they’ll be problems, but no system is perfect, but the queues created by the present system isn’t perfect either and this is an attempt to make the traffic flow better on a piece of road with few practical alternatives, especially if you’re in a truck.
muckles:
chester1:
I think part of what winseer is getting at is what if a car with a similar plate goes thru and the ANPR gets it wrong. im sure they are using a two ANPR cameras to stop thisI understand what Winseer getting at, but if you used the crossing and then went to pay, why would you need a photo to prove it?
Of course if somebody had cloned your plate and used it the first you’d know is when the letter demanding the payment and fine drops through the letterbox. Then that’s the time to ask for photo’s.
I’m sure they’ll be problems, but no system is perfect, but the queues created by the present system isn’t perfect either and this is an attempt to make the traffic flow better on a piece of road with few practical alternatives, especially if you’re in a truck.
You have just made his point there is no pic in the 1st place . personally I think the system they are using will work fine. The only prob I see is splitting the traffic for the two tunnels
imm thinking this is a lot of fuss over nothing