albion1971:
Dan Punchard:
Albion 1971 ,sounds like you need some London driving experience .Is 13 years of living and driving there enough for you? I am there on a regular basis even now.
So tell me why it is ok to be more impatient with cyclists in London than any where else?
Because London cyclists are a bunch of tree hugging, ignorant, know it all (ZB) much like yourself 
Héraultais:
mickyblue:
Might interest you to re read my post. I was replying with a quote taking the ■■■■ out curryfarts pavement idea.I couldn’t work out if you were taking the ■■■■ or not. It would be good for a few more people to know the law though.
The Highway Code - Rules for cyclists (59 to 82) - Guidance - GOV.UK No 64 for those who missed it.
Assuming the cyclist dramatics expert in question had managed to get himself run over here that pavement idea would have been a lot better with hindsight for all concerned including the jailed truck driver.Yet more unbelievable bs from drivers in support of what is a stupid law which no copper with even the slightest bit of common sense would enforce.
top-gun:
albion1971:
Dan Punchard:
Albion 1971 ,sounds like you need some London driving experience .Is 13 years of living and driving there enough for you? I am there on a regular basis even now.
So tell me why it is ok to be more impatient with cyclists in London than any where else?Because London cyclists are a bunch of tree hugging, ignorant, know it all (ZB) much like yourself
^ In general that’s spot on.
However if albion had been bright enough to understand what I said I too wouldn’t have bothered to overtake the cyclist there I’d have just stayed behind the ■■■■■■ on the road and through the arches.Which as I said realistically means a self imposed 20 mph limit.Wether I’d have still had a job after a month of doing that would be another matter.
kr79:
I know that stretch of road very well and the place where he overtook is quite wide compared to under the dark bridge and along the stretch rhat takes you to the top of borough high st. Prehaps that was the drivers thought that there was safer.
That’s how I saw it.Although if it had been me I wouldn’t have bothered.It seems obvious that drivers in London are allowing themselves to be put in an impossible situation of putting the job before their own interests.In the current political climate getting the job done has to come a distant second.
I dont think any truck or bus driver in there right mind wants to kill or injure anyone be it a cyclist a motorcyclist pedestrian or even a car and even though it can be frustrating holding back for a bit here and there doesnt make a big difference in a journey in london.
However from what i saw in that clip and some others i think the cyclist is over reacting.
Go on you tube you csn find videos to supourt every angle of the arguement.
Carryfast:
top-gun:
albion1971:
Dan Punchard:
Albion 1971 ,sounds like you need some London driving experience .Is 13 years of living and driving there enough for you? I am there on a regular basis even now.
So tell me why it is ok to be more impatient with cyclists in London than any where else?Because London cyclists are a bunch of tree hugging, ignorant, know it all (ZB) much like yourself
^ In general that’s spot on.
However if albion had been bright enough to understand what I said I too wouldn’t have bothered to overtake the cyclist there I’d have just stayed behind the ■■■■■■ on the road and through the arches.Which as I said realistically means a self imposed 20 mph limit.Wether I’d have still had a job after a month of doing that would be another matter.
It is you that is not so bright.I thought by now you would have realised I do not read or reply to your posts.
albion1971:
Carryfast:
top-gun:
albion1971:
Dan Punchard:
Albion 1971 ,sounds like you need some London driving experience .Is 13 years of living and driving there enough for you? I am there on a regular basis even now.
So tell me why it is ok to be more impatient with cyclists in London than any where else?Because London cyclists are a bunch of tree hugging, ignorant, know it all (ZB) much like yourself
^ In general that’s spot on.
However if albion had been bright enough to understand what I said I too wouldn’t have bothered to overtake the cyclist there I’d have just stayed behind the ■■■■■■ on the road and through the arches.Which as I said realistically means a self imposed 20 mph limit.Wether I’d have still had a job after a month of doing that would be another matter.
It is you that is not so bright.I thought by now you would have realised I do not read or reply to your posts.
You just have 
so albion since your good at explaining where we all fail. How would YOU fix the broken society of drivers, cyclists, pedestrians?
albion1971:
Carryfast:
top-gun:
albion1971:
Dan Punchard:
Albion 1971 ,sounds like you need some London driving experience .Is 13 years of living and driving there enough for you? I am there on a regular basis even now.
So tell me why it is ok to be more impatient with cyclists in London than any where else?Because London cyclists are a bunch of tree hugging, ignorant, know it all (ZB) much like yourself
^ In general that’s spot on.
However if albion had been bright enough to understand what I said I too wouldn’t have bothered to overtake the cyclist there I’d have just stayed behind the ■■■■■■ on the road and through the arches.Which as I said realistically means a self imposed 20 mph limit.Wether I’d have still had a job after a month of doing that would be another matter.
It is you that is not so bright.I thought by now you would have realised I do not read or reply to your posts.
If you’re as bright as you say you are then it would help if you’d have either quoted or identified exactly who you were referring to in the case of the ‘comments’ by ‘professionals’ in which you seemed to be referring to anyone who can see the issue in that example from the truck driver’s point of view.
scotstrucker:
so albion since your good at explaining where we all fail. How would YOU fix the broken society of drivers, cyclists, pedestrians?
It’s worth remembering that it actually works pretty well most of the time. Obviously every death on the roads is a sad thing, but the huge majority of cycle, bus, truck, skateboard and car journeys are completed safely. Maybe a bit more training of all parties wouldn’t go amiss - drivers sometimes seem a little slow to understand why cyclists take the primary position, or why they don’t always use cycle paths - but by and large, the system works fairly well.
That said, I still think that those ridiculous cycle “facilities” which encourage cyclists to ride up the inside of queueing traffic at traffic lights and roundabouts (and to believe that they’re safe there) are a menace, and should be got rid of as soon as possible.
kr79:
I dont think any truck or bus driver in there right mind wants to kill or injure anyone be it a cyclist a motorcyclist pedestrian or even a car and even though it can be frustrating holding back for a bit here and there doesnt make a big difference in a journey in london.
Realistically it’s more than just a case of ‘holding back a bit’ assuming that any truck v cyclist overtaking situation is to be avoided unless it’s absolutely guaranteed that the pass can be made leaving the amount of room that the cycling lobby is calling for.Effectively it would mean a ban on trucks overtaking cyclists together with a 20 mph limit.Which in most cases applies to driving a car,let alone a truck or a bus,in the case of the most urban parts of even the outer Greater London areas let alone inner London.Ironically which then leaves the issue of cyclists making unsafe overtaking moves on motor traffic.
Rhythm Thief:
scotstrucker:
so albion since your good at explaining where we all fail. How would YOU fix the broken society of drivers, cyclists, pedestrians?It’s worth remembering that it actually works pretty well most of the time. Obviously every death on the roads is a sad thing, but the huge majority of cycle, bus, truck, skateboard and car journeys are completed safely. Maybe a bit more training of all parties wouldn’t go amiss - drivers sometimes seem a little slow to understand why cyclists take the primary position, or why they don’t always use cycle paths - but by and large, the system works fairly well.
That said, I still think that those ridiculous cycle “facilities” which encourage cyclists to ride up the inside of queueing traffic at traffic lights and roundabouts (and to believe that they’re safe there) are a menace, and should be got rid of as soon as possible.
dont blame them for taking the primary position as some of the driving is well lets say below par but some cyclists do take it too an extreme where they are putting themselves in danger.
As for the cycling up the inside of stationary traffic may be acceptable if it’s cars but again some cyclists dont seem too register the danger they put themselves in creeping up the inside of a truck.
I’v watched trucks sat at junctions with the left hand indicator on with the front wheel 8 inches from the kerb and seen cyclists shimmy the bike up the inside of the truck totally oblivious too the danger they just put themselves in but when you confront them it’s either you get a gob full from them or the face goes red and they slink off without a word.
The answer is that it is not going to be an easy fix, attitudes from both sides for a start need too change, road design in urban areas either needs too be changed where cyclists have there own separate lane maybe even away from congested areas, review the price of public transport, have compulsory training for all cyclists (old and new) where they are taught how too cycle safely in traffic and where every cyclist who passes it gets a cycle card (like a driving licence) and goes on a database, get a registration scheme for cycles set up where rouge cyclists can be traced and prosecuted for there failures, make it compulsory for all trucks too have cameras fitted on the nearside bumper looking down the side of the truck where the driver can see on a screen, incorporate a compulsory cyclist awareness course into the dcpc, yes it all costs lots of money but it may save your life if your a cyclist and it may keep you out of jail if your a driver.
thats my thoughts on it
as others have said it did not look that close and what was the cyclist doing so far out from the kerb,and yes i thought it was an overreaction
albion1971:
Carryfast:
top-gun:
albion1971:
Dan Punchard:
Albion 1971 ,sounds like you need some London driving experience .Is 13 years of living and driving there enough for you? I am there on a regular basis even now.
So tell me why it is ok to be more impatient with cyclists in London than any where else?Because London cyclists are a bunch of tree hugging, ignorant, know it all (ZB) much like yourself
^ In general that’s spot on.
However if albion had been bright enough to understand what I said I too wouldn’t have bothered to overtake the cyclist there I’d have just stayed behind the ■■■■■■ on the road and through the arches.Which as I said realistically means a self imposed 20 mph limit.Wether I’d have still had a job after a month of doing that would be another matter.
It is you that is not so bright.I thought by now you would have realised I do not read or reply to your posts.
That is so…liar liar pants on fire.
Carryfast:
kr79:
I dont think any truck or bus driver in there right mind wants to kill or injure anyone be it a cyclist a motorcyclist pedestrian or even a car and even though it can be frustrating holding back for a bit here and there doesnt make a big difference in a journey in london.Realistically it’s more than just a case of ‘holding back a bit’ assuming that any truck v cyclist overtaking situation is to be avoided unless it’s absolutely guaranteed that the pass can be made leaving the amount of room that the cycling lobby is calling for.Effectively it would mean a ban on trucks overtaking cyclists together with a 20 mph limit.Which in most cases applies to driving a car,let alone a truck or a bus,in the case of the most urban parts of even the outer Greater London areas let alone inner London.Ironically which then leaves the issue of cyclists making unsafe overtaking moves on motor traffic.
I do it day in day out
kr79:
Carryfast:
kr79:
I dont think any truck or bus driver in there right mind wants to kill or injure anyone be it a cyclist a motorcyclist pedestrian or even a car and even though it can be frustrating holding back for a bit here and there doesnt make a big difference in a journey in london.Realistically it’s more than just a case of ‘holding back a bit’ assuming that any truck v cyclist overtaking situation is to be avoided unless it’s absolutely guaranteed that the pass can be made leaving the amount of room that the cycling lobby is calling for.Effectively it would mean a ban on trucks overtaking cyclists together with a 20 mph limit.Which in most cases applies to driving a car,let alone a truck or a bus,in the case of the most urban parts of even the outer Greater London areas let alone inner London.Ironically which then leaves the issue of cyclists making unsafe overtaking moves on motor traffic.
I do it day in day out
So logically in this case the ideal answer would have been exactly as I’ve said for the mixer driver to have given up on the idea and stayed well behind the cyclist on the approach and obviously all the way through the arches at least.Which,as I’ve said,is what I would have done.However you’ve said that you can’t see much of a problem while I’ve said it was borderline in that I can understand what the driver was thinking and the cyclist making more drama out of the situation than it warranted.Therefore ironically my view seems more in keeping with your idea than your own view of the situation seemed to be in this case.
Which then leaves the question of what would have been better in the case of the pinch point example.My idea of the cyclist using the pavement and the driver going through,instead of holding back behind the cyclist for whatever distance it took to find a 100 % guaranteed ideal passing place,which would have been the only other option.In which case a I’ve said that would effectively mean probably never and in which case an overtaking ban for trucks v cyclists together with a 20 mph limit would be the logical answer in either case. 