Right when your week ends say on Friday and no more work will be done till Monday
does the the end of the shift mean you are on a daily rest or on a weekly rest
or are you taking a daily rest which will be extended to make a weekly rest 
Daily rest which will extend into a weekly rest, otherwise you could be on duty for more than 15 hours that day.
Article 8 (2.) Within each period of 24 hours after the end of the
previous daily rest period or weekly rest period a driver shall
have taken a new daily rest period.
That’s each period of 24 hours from the previous rest, not each except your last one of the week.
Just to make it more of a definitive question -
A weeks work finishes on friday at 6pm and starts a new week at 6pm saturday so 24 hours off
delboytwo:
does the the end of the shift mean you are on a daily rest or on a weekly restor are you taking a daily rest which will be extended to make a rest
ROG:
Just to make it more of a definitive question -
A weeks work finishes on friday at 6pm and starts a new week at 6pm saturday so 24 hours offdelboytwo:
does the the end of the shift mean you are on a daily rest or on a weekly restor are you taking a daily rest which will be extended to make a rest
OK Rog if your starting a weekly rest as you say at the end of you shift what’s stopping you from doing 4x 15 hour shift in a week and not using you split rest option
that is 1 on Mon 1 on Tues 1 weds and one on Friday as you seam to think we don’t need a daily rest on Friday
delboytwo:
Right when your week ends say on Friday and no more work will be done till Mondaydoes the the end of the shift mean you are on a daily rest or on a weekly rest
or are you taking a daily rest which will be extended to make a weekly rest
When you finish a days work or shift you go onto a daily rest period, if that daily rest period happens to be at the end of your working week it will be extended into a weekly rest period.
A weekly rest period taken at the end of the working week is a daily rest period plus the hours required to make it up to a weekly rest period.
Therefore the way I see it is that when you finish work on Friday you go onto a daily rest, when the required duration of daily rest has been reached then that daily rest period becomes a part of the weekly rest period but it remains a daily rest period.
Hope that makes sense 
tachograph:
Hope that makes sense
It does to me. 
Blimey, only 6 posts on this topic?
I’d ordered a takeaway and hoped to eat it whilst watching a feature-length episode of the ROG & Del show. 
Now I’ll have to watch something boring on TV instead.
dieseldave:
Blimey, only 6 posts on this topic?
I’ll oblige
tachograph:
A weekly rest period taken at the end of the working week is a daily rest period plus the hours required to make it up to a weekly rest period.Therefore the way I see it is that when you finish work on Friday you go onto a daily rest, when the required duration of daily rest has been reached then that daily rest period becomes a part of the weekly rest period but it remains a daily rest period.
Cannot fault that.
What terminology would be used to describe that period of time
ROG:
What terminology would be used to describe that period of time
Well I finished work yesterday at 17:00 so I could take my weekly rest before resuming work on Monday so I refer to it as weekly rest. Which doesn’t alter the fact the period from 17:00 to 04:00 this morning was the daily rest for my 24-hour period which began at 05:00 Friday and goes with the other 5 daily rest periods I have taken since ending my previous weekly rest period last Sunday morning.
My total daily rest for the week, 6x24-hour periods, is,
Sunday 12 hours
Monday 9 hours
Tuesday 9 hours
Wednesday 23.5 hours
Thursday 10 hours
Friday 11 hours
Total daily rest 74.5 hours. Weekly rest will be 60 hours, but 11 hours are counted in both those figures.
Because dieseldave said this thread was too short…
Would it be fair to say that is is termed weekly rest but covers the requirement for daily rest
To give Dave the chance to order another take-away, like he needs an excuse.
ROG:
Would it be fair to say that is is termed weekly rest but covers the requirement for daily rest
Indeed it would. 
Therefore part of it must be used to calculate the answer to a question such as what’s the minimum amount of daily rest you can have in a week working Monday to Friday. If you do 5 shifts you can’t have only 4 daily rest periods, every shift has a daily rest period regardless of where it falls in the week, so for 5 shifts the minimum would be 5 daily rest periods.
Just to please dieseldave a bit more
In the example below, what is the most likely answer by drivers if asked - how much daily rest and how much weekly rest is taken
Mon shift 5am to 6pm = 11 hours daily rest
Tue shift 5am to 6pm = 11 hours daily rest
Wed shift 5am to 6pm = 11 hours daily rest
Thu shift 5am to 6pm = 11 hours daily rest
Fri shift 5am to 6pm = 24 hours weekly rest (reduced)
Sat shift 6pm to …
I would guess that most would say 44 hours daily rest and 24 hours weekly rest…
ROG:
Just to please dieseldave a bit moreIn the example below, what is the most likely answer by drivers if asked - how much daily rest and how much weekly rest is taken
Mon shift 5am to 6pm = 11 hours daily rest
Tue shift 5am to 6pm = 11 hours daily rest
Wed shift 5am to 6pm = 11 hours daily rest
Thu shift 5am to 6pm = 11 hours daily rest
Fri shift 5am to 6pm = 24 hours weekly rest (reduced)
Sat shift 6pm to …I would guess that most would say 44 hours daily rest and 24 hours weekly rest…
Probably, but that would not be correct and the answer would actually be 53 hours daily, 24 weekly. Five shifts = 5 daily rest periods.
The trick to answering a question ROG is to go with the correct answer and not what most people would say.
What is the most likely answer by drivers if asked how much break is required for the WTD before exceeding 6 hours work? I would guess most would say 30 minutes, going by posts on here. Does that make 30 minutes the correct answer?
We know what most people would say but it was a bit of a trick question posed by Del, and it worked, you fell for it. Not the first time you got a tacho question wrong and won’t be the last, get over it.
Coffeeholic:
What is the most likely answer by drivers if asked how much break is required for the WTD before exceeding 6 hours work? I would guess most would say 30 minutes, going by posts on here. Does that make 30 minutes the correct answer?
yes if your a TM that know he/she is right
I have no gripe with the legal definitions but with the terminology used
The example of 15 0r 30 mins for 6 hours is clearly either one or the other
Where 2 regulations cover the same time period then the terminology used to describe that period is usually one or the other - never heard anyone say that it is daily/weekly rest so when a question arises that asks what this period refers to then one would expect the terminology of the answer to be the one generally used.
Had the example shown above that it was unknown what the driver was going to do after the friday shift then daily rest would be shown and not weekly so the answer to a question about daily rest would be 55
That’s not to say that the legal definition is incorrect though - it isn’t - just the way in which the question is asked.
One little thought -
If the daily rest is extended to make it into weekly rest does that mean that the original daily has now been turned into weekly so is therefore not daily any more
One thing is turned into another thing therefore replacing the original
ROG:
That’s not to say that the legal definition is incorrect though - it isn’t - just the way in which the question is asked.
And the question was designed to test peoples knowledge of the regulations and possibly trick them into the incorrect answer if they were unaware or hadn’t read and understood Article 8 (2). It worked!!! If every quiz question was straightforward it would be too easy.
ROG:
One little thought -
If the daily rest is extended to make it into weekly rest does that mean that the original daily has now been turned into weekly so is therefore not daily any more
No, every 24-hour period requires a daily rest so the first part of the weekly rest has to also remain as daily rest to comply with Article 8 (2).
ROG:
One thing is turned into another thing therefore replacing the original
Not turned into, extended into and the first 9 or 11 hours serve a dual role. That was the point of the question, to see who realised that and who didn’t.
That would depend if the question asked for the legal definition
ROG:
That would depend if the question asked for the legal definition
No it wouldn’t. The question asked for the minimum daily rest for 5 shifts, the fact the fifth shift was the last of the week is irrelevant in finding the answer and was the bit that lead you astray. Anyone who knew and understood Article 8 (2) would be able to answer by the following method.
Every 24-hour period must have a daily rest so how many 24-hour periods are in the question? Answer 5.
What would be the minimum daily rest in 5x24-hour periods? Answer 3x9 + 2x11 = 49.
ROG:
never heard anyone say that it is daily/weekly rest so when a question arises that asks what this period refers to then one would expect the terminology of the answer to be the one generally used.
There were a lot of things in the regulations you hadn’t heard of or heard used, you’ve discovered a lot of them over the last couple of years and this is one of them. The question caught you out, you’ve learned another bit of the regulations, get over it and move on.
I’ve seen you answer correctly questions from people asking how many 15’s they can do by pointing out it is about rest in 24 hours and not 15’s and the regulations don’t ever mention 15’s or the maximum amount of duty. Yet ‘doing a 15’ is the terminology generally used so did you answer those questions incorrectly because you didn’t use the generally used terminology? No, of course you didn’t, you used the regulations to answer the question and the regs give you the correct answer here, not the generally used terminology.