jakethesnake:
Do you realise that an equal number of deaths and injury has come from the vaccine as the virus? If you are at risk you should take the vaccine, but not if you’re not at risk. Treatment and prevention with oral/nasal rinses makes far more sense.Now I would love to see a link to verify that absolute bull from a reliable source.
Reckon we’ll have to wait for a strong link?
Or will it be a quick “Karen off of Facebook” knows a guy from the chip shop etc?
Franglais:
jakethesnake:
Do you realise that an equal number of deaths and injury has come from the vaccine as the virus? If you are at risk you should take the vaccine, but not if you’re not at risk. Treatment and prevention with oral/nasal rinses makes far more sense.Now I would love to see a link to verify that absolute bull from a reliable source.
Reckon we’ll have to wait for a strong link?
Or will it be a quick “Karen off of Facebook” knows a guy from the chip shop etc?
To be fair you seem to have missed the argument between myself and 111/119 regarding Astra Zeneca.In which THEY are making the link between the vaccine and clots not Covid as opposed to me agreeing with AZ that the risk of clots from Covid exceeds the risk of clots from the vaccine.
They said they’ve never heard of any such statement by AZ.
Call them yourself to verify what I was told.
How reliable do you want it.
All moot anyway now that we have an approved anti viral treatment against Covid.So why isn’t it being automatically prescribed on a positive PCR.
OK explain to me…Mr. BJ said the vaccine is gonna get us out of it or something to that effect. If the vaccine is already here and anyone who wants to has already been vaccinated which is what, over 90% of the population, then why still self isolate on positive test, why still the social guidelines and restrictions, moreover why require a vaccine to enter venues but not for working and wtf difference does it make to others if one is vaccinated if it doesn’t affect them in the sense that the vaccinated person can and does still become as infected and as infectious to others as an unvaccinated person? Why still try to ‘‘stop the spread’’ when it’s been evident for over 2 years now that it’s not possible without locking everyone away in their own homes?
What’s the whole obsession with testing/isolation/vaccination when it’s clear
a) testing doesn’t help with anything except for the media to have boombastic titles with ever increasing numbers
b) most people with jobs won’t self isolate because ££ is now more needed than ever with soaring prices of pretty much everything thanks to helicopter money during 2020/21
c) the vaccine is what seems to me a measure for self protection which doesn’t even ‘‘work’’ as well as advertised (still does and again, people who think they should get it - please, but remember to line up for it again in 6 months or your protection goes down significantly - correct?)
d) why stimulate the pharma companies to produce a periodically applicable vaccine with guaranteed sales and revenue taking away all incentives to come up with an effective anti-viral treatment or real vaccine (one that does prevent infection which is what a vaccine should do, otherwise it’s just an immuno-booster of sorts)
Zac_A:
Here’s another consideration:A close friend of mine works at a driving school, one of the newer trainers has proven himself to be a dyed-in-the-wool anti-vaxxer and conspiracy-theorist. This week he was found slumped over the steering wheel in one of the artics, displaying a range of covid symptoms (high temperature, coughing etc).
Naturally he was sent home (not driving his own vehicle) but only after extreme pressure was put on him. Meanwhile his trainee from the day before had to be given the not-so-good news.
A valuable test-slot went to waste, a dedicated trainee is not too happy (to say the least), and the company is left with egg on it’s face, all because one one man’s irresponsibility.
None of the vaccines actually prevent anyone from catching it and they don’t stop transmission.
I’m guessing that neither was prescribed oral anti viral treatment at that point and which obviously will kill it and thereby also prevent further transmission.
Also why are people being denied an AZ booster.
Because its not about the flu it never has been, its about a complete new agenda being pushed through on the back of operation fear using covid as convenient vehicle to push their agenda.
The flu narrative is faltering as more and more people see through it (though some well represented here are fully enrolled zealots and they don’t want it to end), but the climate scam will be up to full speed by the time the present farce has finally petered out, those same zealots will respond to the call and jump on that bandwagon too.
Notice how the things those pesky conspiracy theorists suggested might happen have gradually come to pass.
There is nothing to explain, switch the mainstream media out of your life permanently you won’t need anything explaining because all will become clear in a surprisingly short time.
ETS:
OK explain to me…Mr. BJ said the vaccine is gonna get us out of it or something to that effect. If the vaccine is already here and anyone who wants to has already been vaccinated which is what, over 90% of the population, then why still self isolate on positive test, why still the social guidelines and restrictions, moreover why require a vaccine to enter venues but not for working and wtf difference does it make to others if one is vaccinated if it doesn’t affect them in the sense that the vaccinated person can and does still become as infected and as infectious to others as an unvaccinated person? Why still try to ‘‘stop the spread’’ when it’s been evident for over 2 years now that it’s not possible without locking everyone away in their own homes?What’s the whole obsession with testing/isolation/vaccination when it’s clear
a) testing doesn’t help with anything except for the media to have boombastic titles with ever increasing numbers
b) most people with jobs won’t self isolate because ££ is now more needed than ever with soaring prices of pretty much everything thanks to helicopter money during 2020/21
c) the vaccine is what seems to me a measure for self protection which doesn’t even ‘‘work’’ as well as advertised (still does and again, people who think they should get it - please, but remember to line up for it again in 6 months or your protection goes down significantly - correct?)
d) why stimulate the pharma companies to produce a periodically applicable vaccine with guaranteed sales and revenue taking away all incentives to come up with an effective anti-viral treatment or real vaccine (one that does prevent infection which is what a vaccine should do, otherwise it’s just an immuno-booster of sorts)
A vaccine works on the principle that we’ve got and it trains an immune response memory which in this case we clearly haven’t because I know personally of relatives who’ve had 3 jabs but still caught Covid twice.
It’s more like an anti dote which just bolsters the immune system and on balance and now from experience it’s better to have it than not.So why are we being denied an AZ booster.
There is now an effective and government approved oral anti viral treatment.But for some reason it’s being kept under wraps to add to the withholding of an AZ booster.
stu675:
Do you realise that an equal number of deaths and injury has come from the vaccine as the virus?
Risible beyond belief. I’ve seen the places you get your “facts” from, we’ve already had this discussion recently, so I am specifically not planning to re-engage with a proven anti-vaxxer conspiracy-theorist.
As for your claim that you “have natural life-long immunity”, believe what you wish but that is so obviously not true it matches your other statement above.
lolipop:
Dont see a problem testing for what time it takes LFT to do,10 seconds to twiddle the stick up each nostrel 20 seconds to put drops on the slide,wash shave shower make a cuppa,check for results,job done. Do what you can to stay safe,dont be selfish think of others,nobody can asks for anymore.
So why can’t they achieve the same result with a mouth/saliva swab,rather than jabbing a bloody great probe directly into the cribriform area,i-e the fragile region essentially the access point of the blood/brain barrier 
? and they even give it a ‘little twist’ i’m told ?
Juddian:
Because its not about the flu it never has been, its about a complete new agenda being pushed through on the back of operation fear using covid as convenient vehicle to push their agenda.
The flu narrative is faltering as more and more people see through it (though some well represented here are fully enrolled zealots and they don’t want it to end), but the climate scam will be up to full speed by the time the present farce has finally petered out, those same zealots will respond to the call and jump on that bandwagon too.Notice how the things those pesky conspiracy theorists suggested might happen have gradually come to pass.
There is nothing to explain, switch the mainstream media out of your life permanently you won’t need anything explaining because all will become clear in a surprisingly short time.
The Climate scam is a pretext for agenda 30, while the all too real, anything but flu, Covid release is more like a persuader.
manalishi:
So why can’t they achieve the same result with a mouth/saliva swab,rather than jabbing a bloody great probe directly into the cribriform area,i-e the fragile region essentially the access point of the blood/brain barrier
I think if my 10 year old daughter can cope with an LFT without complaining about it, then an adult male should also be able to manage a similar level of mettle. 
Juddian:
Because its not about the flu it never has been, its about a complete new agenda being pushed through on the back of operation fear using covid as convenient vehicle to push their agenda.
The flu narrative is faltering as more and more people see through it (though some well represented here are fully enrolled zealots and they don’t want it to end), but the climate scam will be up to full speed by the time the present farce has finally petered out, those same zealots will respond to the call and jump on that bandwagon too.Notice how the things those pesky conspiracy theorists suggested might happen have gradually come to pass.
There is nothing to explain, switch the mainstream media out of your life permanently you won’t need anything explaining because all will become clear in a surprisingly short time.
I think it’s more of a mass delusion not too dissimilar to the witch hunt of the middle ages rather than an elaborate cross-culture, cross-political conspiracy theory. Not to say there aren’t people ‘‘at the top’’ who are well aware of what’s going on and are taking full advantage of it to their own benefit.
manalishi:
lolipop:
Dont see a problem testing for what time it takes LFT to do,10 seconds to twiddle the stick up each nostrel 20 seconds to put drops on the slide,wash shave shower make a cuppa,check for results,job done. Do what you can to stay safe,dont be selfish think of others,nobody can asks for anymore.So why can’t they achieve the same result with a mouth/saliva swab,rather than jabbing a bloody great probe directly into the cribriform area,i-e the fragile region essentially the access point of the blood/brain barrier
In some cases the brain area is further from the nasal area, and is nearer the ■■■■ area.
Franglais:
manalishi:
So why can’t they achieve the same result with a mouth/saliva swab,rather than jabbing a bloody great probe directly into the cribriform area,i-e the fragile region essentially the access point of the blood/brain barrierIn some cases the brain area is further from the nasal area, and is nearer the ■■■■ area.
To be fair both lateral flow and the PCR you do it yourself ‘they’ don’t do anything they just hand you the PCR kit through the open car window and just a gentle probe around the upper nostrils with the swab is enough.Deffo no need for anyone to stab themselves in the brain.
ETS:
I think it’s more of a mass delusion
If/when you catch it you’ll know that it’s no delusion and not flu.
However that’s not to say that the agenda isn’t all about taking advantage of the situation to create an environment of fear derived control.
As opposed to an all out assault using a combination of ‘vaccines’ of choice and anti viral meds to wipe the thing out.
stu675:
jakethesnake:
stu675:
jakethesnake:
[.Unfortunately the hospitals are mainly filled with unvaccinated people who are seriously ill.
ion.You are an idiot.
Charming! Coming from someone who said doctors stood around doing nothing all day. That is just one of your clueless
comments proving you are living in a world of delusion.Just because your opinion is different to mine you call me an idiot. Do some research and show me that the people in hospital are not younger and unvaccinated because that seems to be what I am hearing from many different sources some of which are 100% reliable.
PS I take it you are young and unvaccinated.
The point is the hospitals are not full of any Covid patients, whether vaccinated or not. Covid patients account for less than 10% of all patients, and they’re only there because they are not being treated properly before they need to go to hospital.
Yes I’m young and I have no need for any vaccines because I have natural life long immunity. I have no problem with anyone else in possession of the facts and the risks from taking the vaccine (the risks are comparable with facing the disease - except that the risks are faced by a different group). My only concern is that the NHS is shut to patients because they are so busy giving out needless jabs.
Your point couldn’t be further from the truth. 200,000 positive tests per day….huge percentage of those positives are people going into hospital or already in.
People going in or already there for heart problems, cancer, strokes etc etc.
There in hospital as a positive case, a COVID patient and any death within 28 days will be recorded as a COVID death.
ETS:
I think it’s more of a mass delusion
If/when you catch it you’ll know that it’s no delusion and not flu.
However that’s not to say that the agenda isn’t all about taking advantage of the situation to create an environment of fear derived control.
As opposed to an all out assault using a combination of ‘vaccines’ of choice and anti viral meds to wipe the thing out.
English driver 1970:
Your point couldn’t be further from the truth. 200,000 positive tests per day….huge percentage of those positives are people going into hospital or already in.
People going in or already there for heart problems, cancer, strokes etc etc.
There in hospital as a positive case, a COVID patient and any death within 28 days will be recorded as a COVID death.
Nonsense.
The ONS differentiates between “due to covid” and “involving covid”.
All explained by them on their web site, and here in reply to a FOI request.
Zac_A:
manalishi:
So why can’t they achieve the same result with a mouth/saliva swab,rather than jabbing a bloody great probe directly into the cribriform area,i-e the fragile region essentially the access point of the blood/brain barrierI think if my 10 year old daughter can cope with an LFT without complaining about it, then an adult male should also be able to manage a similar level of mettle.
I see.
Franglais:
English driver 1970:
Your point couldn’t be further from the truth. 200,000 positive tests per day….huge percentage of those positives are people going into hospital or already in.
People going in or already there for heart problems, cancer, strokes etc etc.
There in hospital as a positive case, a COVID patient and any death within 28 days will be recorded as a COVID death.Nonsense.
The ONS differentiates between “due to covid” and “involving covid”.
All explained by them on their web site, and here in reply to a FOI request.
Nonsense deaths are reported as within 28 days of a positive test.
English driver 1970:
Franglais:
English driver 1970:
Your point couldn’t be further from the truth. 200,000 positive tests per day….huge percentage of those positives are people going into hospital or already in.
People going in or already there for heart problems, cancer, strokes etc etc.
There in hospital as a positive case, a COVID patient and any death within 28 days will be recorded as a COVID death.Nonsense.
The ONS differentiates between “due to covid” and “involving covid”.
All explained by them on their web site, and here in reply to a FOI request.Nonsense deaths are reported as within 28 days of a positive test.
I think that the ONS is a more reliable source than you.
Unless “Karen offa Facebook” is your source, of course.
