Juddian if you want some truth about immunity watch this
robroy:
tmcassett:
jakethesnake:
And apparently the lateral flow tests are missing some of the Omicron variant and people only suspect they have it when symptoms arrive.
We obviously live in different worlds.I was the total opposite when all this started and for for the first several months in fact, I actually took all this very seriously, I stayed in where possible, stayed away from people, wore a mask whenever out etc.
However as more time passed I started to see this for what it is (or isn’t). The mainstream media and governments have so much to answer for manipulating the figures to fit their narrative. The daily case numbers being a prime example to keep people in fear or the massively over exaggerated figures of people who died FROM covid and not WITH it.
That could have been me writing that,.I was exactly the same when all this crap started,.I even kept the wife in during first March 2020 lockdown for her ‘‘safety’’ over mine, after watching the news reports from Italy…
I went out for the shopping feeling like I was some sort of primitive hunter braving the dangers
…and masked up and dressed like I was going out on the rob.
Have you had the vaccine?
I went for it after trying to weigh up the situation, I believe the Covid condition is genuine, but .still not sure if there was actually any need for the jab, or in fact wtf they pumped into me,.but I made a decision and I’m sticking with it so any potential adverse effects in future…[zb] it, it’s my own doing,.don’t care.As for the evident exaggeration on all this (no Franglais, no [zb] links to back up my opinion before you ask
) I do think we are being fed about 25% truth, 10% exaggeration and 65% pure horse [zb]…for whatever reason or motive.
No not had the vaccine, and at this moment in time I have no desire to get it. I am only 38 and pretty healthy so will take my chances, just like I do with everything else in life as you never know what is around the corner.
Like you, I am fully aware Covid is real and unfortunately it has killed people and will continue to do so, but the harsh reality is we have to get on with life as best as we can without any further restrictions, lockdowns and other things that are doing so much damage to things that are not Covid.
jakethesnake:
Believe you me RR, you definitely did the right thing getting the vaccine. 100% sure about that and there is plenty credible evidence to prove it.
I am just amazed you don’t know anyone who has been extremely ill especially anyone unvaccinated.
With all due respect Jake that does not make me feel any different, your ‘‘100% sure’’ is only based on what you have read, what you have heard,.and what you CHOOSE to believe, much the same as everyone else on either side of the coin.
In real terms you know as much it as little about it as the next lay man., including and especially me.
The only ‘extremely ill’ ones I know are as far as I recall were those that have had some serious condition or another alongside the Covid.
I know of at least 2 guys, both drivers in fact, and both ex military if that has any bearing, non vaccinated that have contacted it but suffered nothing more than a cold in varying degrees of severity.
Not vaxxed here, had SARS, and I’m fine.
The problem with the vaccines is you can’t prove a negative; that is to say for every vaccinated person who gets SARS and feels fine/doesn’t end up in hospital can not actually say the vaccine worked, because the probability is you would have been fine to begin with.
If you look at the most vaccinated country (Israel) and the least (South Africa) and compare stats, you will see that the ratio of ill to infected is very similar! Why? Because the vaccine doesn’t work!
- Dons flame suit *
jakethesnake:
Juddian if you want some truth about immunity watch this
Define natural immunity which that seems to be making the case for.The whole immunity narrative seems to be a red herring when we know the thing can be caught twice.
TruckerGuy:
Not vaxxed here, had SARS, and I’m fine.The problem with the vaccines is you can’t prove a negative; that is to say for every vaccinated person who gets SARS and feels fine/doesn’t end up in hospital can not actually say the vaccine worked, because the probability is you would have been fine to begin with.
If you look at the most vaccinated country (Israel) and the least (South Africa) and compare stats, you will see that the ratio of ill to infected is very similar! Why? Because the vaccine doesn’t work!
- Dons flame suit *
Which leaves the question how can any AIDs suffer survive Covid if it’s about ‘immunity’.
jakethesnake:
Juddian if you want some truth about immunity watch this
Am l the only one getting these hideous text readings,presumably intended for the hard of hearing.on every bloody yt vid? ffs.
Seems a dodgy policy if so,and the misspellings are beyond parody.Just watched a vid on falconry featuring…‘Harry’s Socks’ instead of Harris Hawks ffs.What fresh hell is this ? can it be removed ?
TruckerGuy:
Not vaxxed here, had SARS, and I’m fine.The problem with the vaccines is you can’t prove a negative; that is to say for every vaccinated person who gets SARS and feels fine/doesn’t end up in hospital can not actually say the vaccine worked, because the probability is you would have been fine to begin with.
If you look at the most vaccinated country (Israel) and the least (South Africa) and compare stats, you will see that the ratio of ill to infected is very similar! Why? Because the vaccine doesn’t work!
- Dons flame suit *
To pick out one or two odd figures isn’t very helpful. (Cherry picking)
The % of over 65yrs old in Israel is about 10% while in SA it’s about 5%. With that in mind wouldn’t we expect a greater death rate in Israel? Twice as many?? Since they have twice as many in a vulnerable category.
But the death rate in SA looks considerably higher than that Israel.
Would having fewer dead bodies not be a sign of a vaccine “working”?
And look at testing rates:
SA has tested 300,000 per million
Israel tested 4,400,000 per million.
On average only one third of South Africans have been tested once whilst everyone in Israel has been tested 4 or 5 times.
Could the alleged lack of cases in SA be a lack of seeing what is really there?
Ed to add, just checked your statements:
There are a dozen countries with a lesser percentage vaccinated than SA, and a dozen or so with a greater % jabbed than Israel.
So it looks like you are saying facts that aren`t facts, and drawing illogical conclusions from those false figures.
(I used data from WHO and World Bank and Our world in Data)
manalishi:
jakethesnake:
Juddian if you want some truth about immunity watch thisAm l the only one getting these hideous text readings,presumably intended for the hard of hearing.on every bloody yt vid? ffs.
Seems a dodgy policy if so,and the misspellings are beyond parody.Just watched a vid on falconry featuring…‘Harry’s Socks’ instead of Harris Hawks ffs.What fresh hell is this ? can it be removed ?
Sub tittties?
robroy:
jakethesnake:
Believe you me RR, you definitely did the right thing getting the vaccine. 100% sure about that and there is plenty credible evidence to prove it.
I am just amazed you don’t know anyone who has been extremely ill especially anyone unvaccinated.With all due respect Jake that does not make me feel any different, your ‘‘100% sure’’ is only based on what you have read, what you have heard,.and what you CHOOSE to believe, much the same as everyone else on either side of the coin.
In real terms you know as much it as little about it as the next lay man., including and especially me.
The only ‘extremely ill’ ones I know are as far as I recall were those that have had some serious condition or another alongside the Covid.
I know of at least 2 guys, both drivers in fact, and both ex military if that has any bearing, non vaccinated that have contacted it but suffered nothing more than a cold in varying degrees of severity.
I go by what my daughter who is a nurse on a COVID ward at a hospital , my sister who is a nurse at a hospital & my wife who works at a hospital say rob , they all drum it into me how serious it is & how as I’m deemed to be at risk I must take all precautions , masks / hand washing etc etc
I’d take people who are dealing with COVID day in / day outs advice than anyone on here’s ,
Like every thing in life 99% will be fine I’ve no doubt , but my family / me don’t want to be one of the 1 % or whatever it is who aren’t
Nb the scientist / one of the posters on here / or the bloke on the street won’t be anywhere to be seen if you end up seriously I’ll , it’ll just be you’re family there , kids , grandkids etc at your bedside ,and if the worst did happen at your funeral
All for a few needles in your arm ( I stick needles / pins in me every day ) so it’s no big deal , and a mask is no different to the requirement of wearing Ppe
I’ll continue to take all precautions until my girl / sister / mrs tell me I’m fine not too NB rob , you say it’s only people with pre-existing conditions , how do you know you haven’t got any , until I had a blood test I didn’t know I had a heart murmur, high blood pressure , bad circulation etc ( I did have suspicions of diabetis though )
@Franglais…
Considering that you are the resident TN barrack room expert, doommonger and soothsayer on all things Covid, here’s a few genuine questions for you to answer…(assuming that you aint still ignoring me after you have presumably concluded that me and you are poles apart and that you will never change my views.)
So…
Taking into account all the stuff you churn out on here about death statistics, theories, illnesses and all the rest of it…
What are YOUR personal experiences away from the forum in real life with all this stuff ?
Do you know people who have contacted this (as I do) ?
How good mild or bad were they because of it?
Any deaths of people you know personally and/or who were dear to you,?
And were these deaths PURELY due to Covid with no other serious health issues alongside it?
Anybody you know who has refused the jabs for any reason and have became severely Ill because of that?
Any who have refused, caught it and were fine?
Not asking for more proof, rhetoric,.stats or more tedious bloody links, but for what YOU have seen and experienced with YOUR own eyes.
Last question…
Has it been the case in one or more of these personal experiences where you have had a lightbulb moment and thought…Hang on, this is a lot different to what we have.been told or what I have swotted up on’’ ?
In other words just forget all the ‘‘Expert’’ opinions, official lines, and all the knowledge of '‘facts’ you have gathered in all this stuff for ONE MINUTE…and
Is there any one time that one or more of them does not gel or is totally at odds with what YOU are reading, believing and constantly repeating??
Cheers. 
robroy:
jakethesnake:
Believe you me RR, you definitely did the right thing getting the vaccine. 100% sure about that and there is plenty credible evidence to prove it.
I am just amazed you don’t know anyone who has been extremely ill especially anyone unvaccinated.With all due respect Jake that does not make me feel any different, your ‘‘100% sure’’ is only based on what you have read, what you have heard,.and what you CHOOSE to believe, much the same as everyone else on either side of the coin.
In real terms you know as much it as little about it as the next lay man., including and especially me.
The only ‘extremely ill’ ones I know are as far as I recall were those that have had some serious condition or another alongside the Covid.
I know of at least 2 guys, both drivers in fact, and both ex military if that has any bearing, non vaccinated that have contacted it but suffered nothing more than a cold in varying degrees of severity.
That’s fair enough, that’s your views and your experience with covid.
Mine has been somewhat different and not because
I am in Holland but as I’ve said before I have relatives in the UK who work in hospitals etc.
Also as I said right at the start if your theory is true why are so many scientists, proffessors and doctors from different countries all over the world saying exactly the same things and how dangerous this virus is especially for the unvaccinated.
Yes I know there are a minority who disagree but the proof I have seen from many sources and from what I hear first hand from people I completely trust keeps me satisfied that the biggest majority of what I know is accurate. I doubt anyone on hear will convince me otherwise.
robroy:
@FranglaisTaking into account all the stuff you churn out on here about death statistics, theories, illnesses and all the rest of it…
What are YOUR personal experiences away from the forum in real life with all this stuff ?Do you know people who have contacted this (as I do) ?
How good mild or bad were they because of it?
Anybody you know who has refused the jabs for any reason
Any who have refused, caught it and were fine?
Not asking for more proof, rhetoric,.stats or more tedious bloody links, but for what YOU have seen and experienced with YOUR own eyes.
Last question…
Has it been the case in one or more of these personal experiences where you have had a lightbulb moment and thought…Hang on, this is a lot different to what we have.been told or what I have swotted up on’’ ?
In other words just forget all the ‘‘Expert’’ opinions, official lines, and all the knowledge of '‘facts’ you have gathered in all this stuff for ONE MINUTE…andIs there any one time that one or more of them does not gel or is totally at odds with what YOU are reading, believing and constantly repeating??
Cheers.
This is my experience so far.
Caught COVID symptoms nothing like what we are told to expect.But match those of a blood clot.
Almost a month and now have more chest pain and almost as much congestion than at start now being referred for X rays.
Have asked doctor to confirm when blood pressure issues started from my regular checks.
All was normal until April having had first AZ jab in March.
Doctor has confirmed that there are known links between AZ and clots/vascular issues to the point of exceeding the risks from COVID.
But doctor is refusing to order scans to look for clots saying ongoing symptoms more likely to be ‘chest infection’ and no answers regarding the blood pressure increase from April.
I’ve drawn my own conclusions having got the answer I was expecting regarding when blood pressure issues started which COVID then just added to.
robroy:
@Franglais…
Considering that you are the resident TN barrack room expert, doommonger and soothsayer on all things Covid, here’s a few genuine questions for you to answer…(assuming that you aint still ignoring me after you have presumably concluded that me and you are poles apart and that you will never change my views.)
So…Taking into account all the stuff you churn out on here about death statistics, theories, illnesses and all the rest of it…
What are YOUR personal experiences away from the forum in real life with all this stuff ?Do you know people who have contacted this (as I do) ?
How good mild or bad were they because of it?
Any deaths of people you know personally and/or who were dear to you,?
And were these deaths PURELY due to Covid with no other serious health issues alongside it?Anybody you know who has refused the jabs for any reason and have became severely Ill because of that?
Any who have refused, caught it and were fine?
Not asking for more proof, rhetoric,.stats or more tedious bloody links, but for what YOU have seen and experienced with YOUR own eyes.
Last question…
Has it been the case in one or more of these personal experiences where you have had a lightbulb moment and thought…Hang on, this is a lot different to what we have.been told or what I have swotted up on’’ ?
In other words just forget all the ‘‘Expert’’ opinions, official lines, and all the knowledge of '‘facts’ you have gathered in all this stuff for ONE MINUTE…andIs there any one time that one or more of them does not gel or is totally at odds with what YOU are reading, believing and constantly repeating??
Cheers.
“Soothsayer”? Surely not…
I bet you won`t provide any proof of that…
Why am I “doommonger”?
I have consistently said (Feel free to check) that Covid is a real and serious disease.
Have I ever exaggerated* it`s seriousness?
If I give any figures showing how serious it is I try to (but get lazy sometimes) give sources for those figures.
I hope you nor anyone else thinks these are “my” figures.
The above bears on me setting myself up as a “barrack room expert”. I try to give links to genuine research.
And coming from you who consistently says the figures are exaggerated etc but all with no evidence at all?!
Get real!
Ive never been west of the Canary Islands, so from personal experience, I can state that the US of A doesnt exist at all.
I read a lot of the links put up by those who disagree with me.
I dont just write them all** off as "flakes"....... Look ! Im even talking to you!
Some of the links to things that go against “mainstream thought”. Fair enough and quite right they should be pointed out.
I am (generally) against censoring stuff. Poisonous writings, ideas, and the like should be brought out into the natural disinfectant of daylight. Inaccurate figures should be corrected.
Someone who thinks 2 plus 2 makes 5, should have the truth explained to them shouldn`t they?
The next bit makes me a bit frustrated because I have repeated my point, many times, in different ways.
Even if I do still talk to you, I wonder do you ever read my replies?
robroy:
And were these deaths PURELY due to Covid with no other serious health issues alongside it?
What the !! is that about?
Why is that remotely important?
Does someone with asthma being dead mean less somehow?
Does a person undergoing cancer treatment, and so with a lowered immune system become a less important life?
Nearly two thirds of the UK adult population are over weight! Loads drink more than 6 pints of beer a week, smoke, or have some other sort of health issue…
WTF is it always so important to know what this minority subset of covid sufferers experience is?
Hardly a surprise that fitter people die less from covid…exactly the same as a fit person knocked down in the street is going to do better than an overweight smoker and drinker also knocked down…use your brain.
Sorry, but here is a link.
ft.com/content/74346367-3d0 … 10c8917b12
David Spiegelhalter saying that the majority of covid deaths, in spite of preexisting conditions, would mostly have more than a life taken away from them.
It isn`t a bunch of “coffin dodgers” losing a few months.
(no matter what some tell you)
Ive already said that my personal experience isnt necessarily a good window onto the world, but I know of those vaccinated who have had Covid and been mildly affected, more affected, or in a one case it was serious “man-flu” with a few days in bed. (An amateur footballer etc)
I know of a couple who chose not to be vaccinated. Under 65, non smokers, light drinkers, active and fit. One was almost untouched, one was taken into hospital then into intensive care unit. Now recovering, but months later still not fully fit physically nor mentally, but hopefully will get better.
From a personal experience thats a 50% serious and ongoing health experience, for non-vaccinated fit and healthy individuals. I dont try to extrapolate from that into the whole population. Far better to look at the data for the country not just my own little world.
*Exaggeration compared to any official figures not any news or www “made up facts”? And certainly not your “I dont believe it" and "its exaggerated” but have no real figures or stats!
** Well, there a couple of exceptions. Watching hours of a loon video after a few basic stupidities are made in a couple of minutes doesn`t float my boat.
jakethesnake:
robroy:
jakethesnake:
Believe you me RR, you definitely did the right thing getting the vaccine. 100% sure about that and there is plenty credible evidence to prove it.
I am just amazed you don’t know anyone who has been extremely ill especially anyone unvaccinated.With all due respect Jake that does not make me feel any different, your ‘‘100% sure’’ is only based on what you have read, what you have heard,.and what you CHOOSE to believe, much the same as everyone else on either side of the coin.
In real terms you know as much it as little about it as the next lay man., including and especially me.
The only ‘extremely ill’ ones I know are as far as I recall were those that have had some serious condition or another alongside the Covid.
I know of at least 2 guys, both drivers in fact, and both ex military if that has any bearing, non vaccinated that have contacted it but suffered nothing more than a cold in varying degrees of severity.That’s fair enough, that’s your views and your experience with covid.
Mine has been somewhat different and not because
I am in Holland but as I’ve said before I have relatives in the UK who work in hospitals etc.
Also as I said right at the start if your theory is true why are so many scientists, proffessors and doctors from different countries all over the world saying exactly the same things and how dangerous this virus is especially for the unvaccinated.
Yes I know there are a minority who disagree but the proof I have seen from many sources and from what I hear first hand from people I completely trust keeps me satisfied that the biggest majority of what I know is accurate. I doubt anyone on hear will convince me otherwise.
Jake mate…don’t keep asking me questions starting with ‘‘Why’’ because I don’t know.
What I do know,.and what I base my opinions on, is the lack of correlation between what I perceive to be exaggeration and scaremongering ex media and ‘‘experts’’ and , from what I actually see and hear myself, from my own experiences and of people I know…I ain’t saying Covid is not real, I’ve had the jab myself ffs, I just think there is some kind of agenda out there that I can not for the life of me work out, which they are sucking the juice out of, making most people conform with ott rules and regs.
As for Holland, my Mrs has relatives over there, and they mostly share same or at least similar opinions to me from what they see also.
robroy:
Jake mate…don’t keep asking me questions starting with ‘‘Why’’ because I don’t know.What I do know,.and what I base my opinions on, is the lack of correlation between what I perceive to be exaggeration and scaremongering ex media and ‘‘experts’’ and , from what I actually see and hear myself, from my own experiences and of people I know…I ain’t saying Covid is not real, I’ve had the jab myself ffs, I just think there is some kind of agenda out there that I can not for the life of me work out, which they are sucking the juice out of, making most people conform with ott rules and regs.
As for Holland, my Mrs has relatives over there, and they mostly share same or at least similar opinions to me from what they see also.
There is a group who can be seen to have an agenda here.
Richer business people, working away from the rest of us, away from public transport, not relying on the underfunded NHS, want us to work.
By us protecting ourselves from the worst times (pre-vaccine) of covid, we dropped their profits.
Weren`t you posting summat about the collapse of the economy? And worrying about it getting worse?
To ask you what you asked me: what is your personal experience? Know anyone who has lost their home? starving kids on street corners?
Me neither.
There is no doubt that the economies of the world and the UK have taken a serious hit, but it seems to me those moaning the most are the news sites of Murdoch and the like…go figure.
Franglais:
Sub tittties?
That’s got my…
Interest. Should we convene the iddybiddytiddycomitee?
Listen and learn from someone who knows what they are talking about.
Especially you Juddian.
Franglais:
robroy:
@Franglais…
Considering that you are the resident TN barrack room expert, doommonger and soothsayer on all things Covid, here’s a few genuine questions for you to answer…(assuming that you aint still ignoring me after you have presumably concluded that me and you are poles apart and that you will never change my views.)
So…Taking into account all the stuff you churn out on here about death statistics, theories, illnesses and all the rest of it…
What are YOUR personal experiences away from the forum in real life with all this stuff ?Do you know people who have contacted this (as I do) ?
How good mild or bad were they because of it?
Any deaths of people you know personally and/or who were dear to you,?
And were these deaths PURELY due to Covid with no other serious health issues alongside it?Anybody you know who has refused the jabs for any reason and have became severely Ill because of that?
Any who have refused, caught it and were fine?
Not asking for more proof, rhetoric,.stats or more tedious bloody links, but for what YOU have seen and experienced with YOUR own eyes.
Last question…
Has it been the case in one or more of these personal experiences where you have had a lightbulb moment and thought…Hang on, this is a lot different to what we have.been told or what I have swotted up on’’ ?
In other words just forget all the ‘‘Expert’’ opinions, official lines, and all the knowledge of '‘facts’ you have gathered in all this stuff for ONE MINUTE…andIs there any one time that one or more of them does not gel or is totally at odds with what YOU are reading, believing and constantly repeating??
Cheers.“Soothsayer”? Surely not…
I bet you won`t provide any proof of that…Why am I “doommonger”?
I have consistently said (Feel free to check) that Covid is a real and serious disease.
Have I ever exaggerated* it`s seriousness?
If I give any figures showing how serious it is I try to (but get lazy sometimes) give sources for those figures.
I hope you nor anyone else thinks these are “my” figures.The above bears on me setting myself up as a “barrack room expert”. I try to give links to genuine research.
And coming from you who consistently says the figures are exaggerated etc but all with no evidence at all?!
Get real!I
ve never been west of the Canary Islands, so from personal experience, I can state that the US of A doesnt exist at all.I read a lot of the links put up by those who disagree with me.
I dont just write them all** off as "flakes"....... Look ! Im even talking to you!
Some of the links to things that go against “mainstream thought”. Fair enough and quite right they should be pointed out.
I am (generally) against censoring stuff. Poisonous writings, ideas, and the like should be brought out into the natural disinfectant of daylight. Inaccurate figures should be corrected.
Someone who thinks 2 plus 2 makes 5, should have the truth explained to them shouldn`t they?The next bit makes me a bit frustrated because I have repeated my point, many times, in different ways.
Even if I do still talk to you, I wonder do you ever read my replies?robroy:
And were these deaths PURELY due to Covid with no other serious health issues alongside it?What the !! is that about?
Why is that remotely important?
Does someone with asthma being dead mean less somehow?
Does a person undergoing cancer treatment, and so with a lowered immune system become a less important life?
Nearly two thirds of the UK adult population are over weight! Loads drink more than 6 pints of beer a week, smoke, or have some other sort of health issue…
WTF is it always so important to know what this minority subset of covid sufferers experience is?
Hardly a surprise that fitter people die less from covid…exactly the same as a fit person knocked down in the street is going to do better than an overweight smoker and drinker also knocked down…use your brain.Sorry, but here is a link.
ft.com/content/74346367-3d0 … 10c8917b12
David Spiegelhalter saying that the majority of covid deaths, in spite of preexisting conditions, would mostly have more than a life taken away from them.
It isn`t a bunch of “coffin dodgers” losing a few months.
(no matter what some tell you)I
ve already said that my personal experience isnt necessarily a good window onto the world, but I know of those vaccinated who have had Covid and been mildly affected, more affected, or in a one case it was serious “man-flu” with a few days in bed. (An amateur footballer etc)
I know of a couple who chose not to be vaccinated. Under 65, non smokers, light drinkers, active and fit. One was almost untouched, one was taken into hospital then into intensive care unit. Now recovering, but months later still not fully fit physically nor mentally, but hopefully will get better.
From a personal experience thats a 50% serious and ongoing health experience, for non-vaccinated fit and healthy individuals. I dont try to extrapolate from that into the whole population. Far better to look at the data for the country not just my own little world.*Exaggeration compared to any official figures not any news or www “made up facts”? And certainly not your “I don
t believe it" and "its exaggerated” but have no real figures or stats!
** Well, there a couple of exceptions. Watching hours of a loon video after a few basic stupidities are made in a couple of minutes doesn`t float my boat.
Jeez where do I start with that.
If I replied to you with minute detail over 3 pages we are never going to be singing from the same hymn sheet.
As I’ve said, I just don’t get your absolute fascination and pre.occuoation with all this, the doommonger label refers to you exacerbating the ’ official line’’ that this is far more serious than anything in history,.and that we are all gonna die if we dont listen to the ‘‘exoerts’’.
Basically the way I see this is it’s another case of ‘flu going around’ as we have had since as long as I remember from time to time.
Granted it’s a more severe type of ‘flu’ and more serious than the common or garden type, granted people have died with it, granted a small percentage (I’ve no doubt you will have the actual percentage on hand ) have had serious adverse effects, with a long term bad illness, but on the whole it is still a type of flu whether you are prepared to accept that or not.
Whether or not the jabs have made a significant difference is all down to opinion, looking at face value they maybe have, but we all know that figures and stats can be massaged and adjusted in anything, a common practice by authoritative bodies over the years, and masquerading as ‘‘proof’’, it all goes back to what the individual believes…
So as for me ‘‘getting real’’ as you say, my perception of reality is down to what I see,.not what I am told more often than not to the contrary to what I see.
‘‘WTF is that all about’’ you ask me, …really?, you don’t know?
Ok.
Dying with something and dying of something is totally different.
If there was a haemneroids epidemic that I fell victim to, and I died eventually after long term heart problems, , would haemneroids be deemed what I died OF and put in the official figures of ‘‘Death by Haemeroids’’ ■■
But you refuse to accept that because of the bizarre obsession you have…does not compute.
A ridiculous analogy I know, but you know all about them with your ‘‘Never been to America’’ chestnut.
You say ‘‘Far better to look into the data’’ …
Yeh?..Not in my world mate as I ain’t that ■■■■ interested.
I’ll come on here and spar with you from time to time on it for a bit of sport , but that’s as far as it goes, I’ll leave it to those who make a living out of it, and who unlike you or me can make a difference, so yeah I’ll admit I don’t read 90% of your links, it comes under both my ‘CBA’ and '‘Life is too ■■■■ short’ categories if I m honest.
I’d much rather just get on with my life, with my (comparable to your’s, mundane) interests and my family, and hope all this crap just dies a death asap.
Thanks for answering my points (I think) …among all the usual Franglais style rhetoric and yet another link. 
yourhavingalarf:
Franglais:
Sub tittties?That’s got my…
Interest. Should we convene the iddybiddytiddycomitee?
At least that name is more than a mouthful.