Hi guys, the company I work for have decided, that as well as filling in our check books for Monday to Friday, they now want us to fill them in for Saturday and Sunday when we don’t work.
Apparently they want us to fill in name and registration number and then put “vehicle not used” but put the Saturday and Sunday date on it.
As we won’t be doing it on the date we are putting on the page, could this be classified as falsified records, or am I wildly over thinking this?
Just put the date and “vehicle not use by me”
Dunky123:
Hi guys, the company I work for have decided, that as well as filling in our check books for Monday to Friday, they now want us to fill them in for Saturday and Sunday when we don’t work.
Apparently they want us to fill in name and registration number and then put “vehicle not used” but put the Saturday and Sunday date on it.
As we won’t be doing it on the date we are putting on the page, could this be classified as falsified records, or am I wildly over thinking this?
On the form write the date of the Sat and Sun, and “No vehicle used by me”, then date the signature with the correct date you actually filled in the form (Monday`s date).
It’s all very well writing “vehicle not used”, but what if the vehicle was used? No real problems per se as you the driver simply cannot be responsible for any problems on a vehicle that you physically aren’t operating at the time.
Simplest thing is as Peirre above says, write “vehicle not used by me”. It’s frankly ridiculous but it’s their train set and they pay your wages I suppose.
Of course that’s fine if the entries are made ahead of your days off, or retrospectively upon your return. If they are expecting you to make them when on your rest days, well that’s a whole new can of worms…….
Don’t forget you could also be breaking your weekly rest period depending on when you fill the form in,
I don’t see anything wrong with you signing to say that you never used the vehicle on Saturday and Sunday but I would also put the date of completing the forms.
As Bodian said you don’t want to leave yourself open to having to explain that you didn’t actually sign the forms on Saturday and Sunday.
Some companies have some strange rules don’t they 
Nice to see somebody else justifying their (non) job and existence, by making up even more stupid pointless bloody new rules. 
Wonder how much more a year he is on than the drivers.
^^^ quite, got to hand it to the pointless twerp though coming up with that one, maybe he/she/it/they/them could dream up something even more ridiculous once enough halucinatory products have been absorbed
Juddian:
^^^ quite, got to hand it to the pointless twerp though coming up with that one, maybe he/she/it/they/them could dream up something even more ridiculous once enough halucinatory products have been absorbed
It’s like the H&S rules.
Surely to ■■■■ they must be running out of ideas by now.
The best one ever was at that plasterboard factory at Avonmouth where drivers had to walk around the bay area with what looked like a Zimmer frame with a flashing orange light . 
…yep seriously.
The guy who dreamt that one up must have been visiting his old Nan at the weekend at the care home, and thought…‘I’ve just had an absolute brilliant idea for new rule’ 
robroy:
Juddian:
^^^ quite, got to hand it to the pointless twerp though coming up with that one, maybe he/she/it/they/them could dream up something even more ridiculous once enough halucinatory products have been absorbedIt’s like the H&S rules.
Surely to [zb] they must be running out of ideas by now.
The best one ever was at that plasterboard factory at Avonmouth where drivers had to walk around the bay area with what looked like a Zimmer frame with a flashing orange light .
The guy who dreamt that one up must have been visiting his old Nan at the weekend at the care home, and thought…‘I’ve just had an absolute brilliant idea for new rule’
Are you serious, no beeping?
exit:
robroy:
Juddian:
^^^ quite, got to hand it to the pointless twerp though coming up with that one, maybe he/she/it/they/them could dream up something even more ridiculous once enough halucinatory products have been absorbedIt’s like the H&S rules.
Surely to [zb] they must be running out of ideas by now.
The best one ever was at that plasterboard factory at Avonmouth where drivers had to walk around the bay area with what looked like a Zimmer frame with a flashing orange light .
The guy who dreamt that one up must have been visiting his old Nan at the weekend at the care home, and thought…‘I’ve just had an absolute brilliant idea for new rule’Are you serious, no beeping?
Deadly serious mate,.I kid you not, but funnily enough if I relay this story in a pub nobody believes me.
Was it Farage?
Think they changed the name…(after the boss went off on one about Brexit. )
Evening Franglais .
We’ve been told at Royal Mail now we must show at least 21 minutes of other work before we leave the yard and that it can only be interrupted a certain amount of times and for a certain amount of minutes and it goes into detail about what excuses you can use to interrupt it etc etc blah blah. I’ll take a pic of the sheet when I next see it.
Robroy, Thanks for reminding me about that place
robroy:
Juddian:
^^^ quite, got to hand it to the pointless twerp though coming up with that one, maybe he/she/it/they/them could dream up something even more ridiculous once enough halucinatory products have been absorbedIt’s like the H&S rules.
Surely to [zb] they must be running out of ideas by now.
The best one ever was at that plasterboard factory at Avonmouth where drivers had to walk around the bay area with what looked like a Zimmer frame with a flashing orange light .
The guy who dreamt that one up must have been visiting his old Nan at the weekend at the care home, and thought…‘I’ve just had an absolute brilliant idea for new rule’
wth■■? what on earth was thier reasoning on that one■■?
Terry T:
We’ve been told at Royal Mail now we must show at least 21 minutes of other work before we leave the yard and that it can only be interrupted a certain amount of times and for a certain amount of minutes and it goes into detail about what excuses you can use to interrupt it etc etc blah blah. I’ll take a pic of the sheet when I next see it.
is it 10 mins to check the unit and 10 mins to check the trailor■■? Place i am at does that but they want the unit and trailor checked everytime you pick up a trailor and everytime you drop one so if you are swapping a trailor it means you have to spend 10 mins checking the unit when you drop the first one and 10 mins to check the unit again before you can pick up the next one in otherwords it adds on an hour and 40 to each job
sorry double post
I wouldn’t fill in the Saturday or Sunday section. Just take it to the office and tell them to sign it in. It’s daily checks how can you sign when you are not in. If the DVSA were to come on a Saturday how will they explain it.
Juddian:
^^^ quite, got to hand it to the pointless twerp though coming up with that one, maybe he/she/it/they/them could dream up something even more ridiculous once enough halucinatory products have been absorbed
It’s really no different to the way some companies deal with logging time spent not driving. When I worked for Forfarmers, you were supposed to write out a manual entry on a paper chart for days worked when you didn’t get behind the wheel, which exasperated the hell out of our driver trainer as he had to do this most days. According to some pointy shoe’d twerp with a logistics degree, though, it was in order to comply with DVSA best practice.
It will come as no surprise to you that the word “compliance” is one guaranteed to set my few remaining teeth on edge.
WheelsofCardiff:
I wouldn’t fill in the Saturday or Sunday section. Just take it to the office and tell them to sign it in. It’s daily checks how can you sign when you are not in. If the DVSA were to come on a Saturday how will they explain it.
If you sign to say you didnt use the vehicle then surely you wouldnt have done the daily checks?
If the sheet includes “tick-boxes” for checks, then leave them blank. If you arent there, then you cant have carried out those checks.
Sign the sheet on the Monday, for the preceding weekend.
Sign for the days you weren`t there, with your signature dated for the Monday.
That shows you were not responsible for anything on those days.
SAT 08/04/23 No vehicle used…signed Franglais…10/04/23
SUN 09/04/23 No vehicle used…signed Franglais…10/04/23
One minute of your time, no lies told, and no responsibility accepted for when you weren`t there.
cooper1203:
Terry T:
We’ve been told at Royal Mail now we must show at least 21 minutes of other work before we leave the yard and that it can only be interrupted a certain amount of times and for a certain amount of minutes and it goes into detail about what excuses you can use to interrupt it etc etc blah blah. I’ll take a pic of the sheet when I next see it.is it 10 mins to check the unit and 10 mins to check the trailor■■? Place i am at does that but they want the unit and trailor checked everytime you pick up a trailor and everytime you drop one so if you are swapping a trailor it means you have to spend 10 mins checking the unit when you drop the first one and 10 mins to check the unit again before you can pick up the next one in otherwords it adds on an hour and 40 to each job
But is that such a problem, as long as the driver knows what’s expected and the company takes it into account. DVSA suggest about 70% or more roadside defects could or should have been found by a driver. Think of this a a small step towards putting them out of work