While the haulage industry has been ,along with drivers jumping through hoops to protect the cyclist just what have the cyclists been doing themselves. I still see the in their uniform of black ,two abreast at dusk no lights, nipping in between buses and lgv alike,so from what I have observed sweet …all
fuse:
While the haulage industry has been ,along with drivers jumping through hoops to protect the cyclist just what have the cyclists been doing themselves. I still see the in their uniform of black ,two abreast at dusk no lights, nipping in between buses and lgv alike,so from what I have observed sweet …all
what hoops has the haulage industry being jumping through in respect of cyclists ? cheap signs on the back of trucks telling cyclists to keep back. I have not even seen the slightest change, attitudes from motorists towards cyclists remains steady at poisonous.
Yes but neither hgv driver was arrested so the police haven’t immediatly suspected the drivers of any wrongdoing.
Bluey Circles:
what hoops has the haulage industry being jumping through in respect of cyclists ? cheap signs on the back of trucks telling cyclists to keep back. I have not even seen the slightest change, attitudes from motorists towards cyclists remains steady at poisonous.
You obviously haven’t seen what the requirements for HGVs going through the capital are now and what is also being called for. Additional mirrors, even more side bars, side bars on tippers…all because lycra louts seem to think their safety is everyone elses responsibility.
Bluey Circles:
I have not even seen the slightest change, attitudes from motorists towards cyclists remains steady at poisonous.
Well listening to the arrogance seeping from borinmoron and roaduser66, If this is the attitude by your average cyclist then is it any wonder there is hatred for cyclists on the road?
Ive asked them both numourous times for their reasons against making cyclists more accountable by use of number plates etc but it gets by-passed by them both and they can never seem to answer yet they are both pretty vocal about making drivers accountable for THEIR actions.
Ive said many times that the main reason for animosity towards cyclists is due to their disregard for any road laws they dont like. They run red lights, ride without lights or hi viz clothing, ride on the pavement, ride the wrong way up one way streets to name but a few yet bring this up to our most vocal anti-hgv pro cycling members and all you get is told “that’s not whats killing them” or “only x amount of incidents is attribuated to this” which is pretty much the same as saying “its fine to do it”
So if this is the attitude of the cycling lobby who think it acceptable to ignore road laws that motorists have to abide by then this is why there is hatred for some motorists towards cyclists.
And while you have the cycling lobby resisting all calls for bikes to be registered and riders to be identified for any law breaking then cyclists will continue to break the law and the animosoty from motorists will continue. As ive also said countless times, everyone is entitled to use the road regardless of their mode of transport but cyclists are the only ones who seem to think they have a right to do as they please whether legal or not and everyone else needs to watch out for their safety
Yes, I’m sure you can find examples of idiots in both camps.
To balance things out a bit, here’s a transcript of a conversation I recently had with an HGV recovery driver:
Him: Most people give cyclists lots of room, but I don’t bother. I don’t give them any room at all.
Me: I hope you’re joking?
Him: No. I hate the f***ers. I’d run them all over if it wasn’t for the fact that I’d lose my licence.
Nothing in his manner or demeanour suggested that he wasn’t serious. I just hope he loses his licence before he kills someone, rather than after.
This, along with the number of a-holes on this site who applauded when a bus driver in Bristol attempted to murder a cyclist because the cyclist had complained about the driver forcing him out of the way to take his lane on a roundabout.
Conor:
Bluey Circles:
what hoops has the haulage industry being jumping through in respect of cyclists ? cheap signs on the back of trucks telling cyclists to keep back. I have not even seen the slightest change, attitudes from motorists towards cyclists remains steady at poisonous.You obviously haven’t seen what the requirements for HGVs going through the capital are now and what is also being called for. Additional mirrors, even more side bars, side bars on tippers…all because lycra louts seem to think their safety is everyone elses responsibility.
All these extras when all you really need is an alert driver.
MrFlibble:
Yes, I’m sure you can find examples of idiots in both camps.To balance things out a bit, here’s a transcript of a conversation I recently had with an HGV recovery driver:
Him: Most people give cyclists lots of room, but I don’t bother. I don’t give them any room at all.
Me: I hope you’re joking?
Him: No. I hate the f***ers. I’d run them all over if it wasn’t for the fact that I’d lose my licence.Nothing in his manner or demeanour suggested that he wasn’t serious. I just hope he loses his licence before he kills someone, rather than after.
This, along with the number of a-holes on this site who applauded when a bus driver in Bristol attempted to murder a cyclist because the cyclist had complained about the driver forcing him out of the way to take his lane on a roundabout.
Unfortunately this is the type of driver attitude that is all too common.
There’s a thing called respect and until drivers and cyclists start showing some it will get no better.
This video highlights exactly what I was saying. This guy uploaded a video and doesnt seem at all bothered that he ran umpteen red lights, almost knocked down 2-3 sets of pedestrians (one who had to run to avoid getting clobbered), barrelled between two buses, squeezed between a bus and the pavement and umpteen other dangerous and/or illegal manouvres.
albion1971:
All these extras when all you really need is an alert driver.
And the cyclist is paying close attention to everything is he?
If,for example, anyone was crossing the road infront of those two buses he rode between, and rode through the red light, then they’d have got flattened.
MrFlibble:
Yes, I’m sure you can find examples of idiots in both camps.To balance things out a bit, here’s a transcript of a conversation I recently had with an HGV recovery driver:
Him: Most people give cyclists lots of room, but I don’t bother. I don’t give them any room at all.
Me: I hope you’re joking?
Him: No. I hate the f***ers. I’d run them all over if it wasn’t for the fact that I’d lose my licence.Nothing in his manner or demeanour suggested that he wasn’t serious. I just hope he loses his licence before he kills someone, rather than after.
This, along with the number of a-holes on this site who applauded when a bus driver in Bristol attempted to murder a cyclist because the cyclist had complained about the driver forcing him out of the way to take his lane on a roundabout.
would it only be me again ahat totally agrees with the aforementioned recovery driver■■? 
I knew this was going to be a bellend Vid the second the word “fixy” got introduced…
I only bothered with 3 minutes, but this video should be entitled: How to become roadkill.
This topic keeps on giving and giving… 
Shame none of those pedestrians didn’t jam something in their front wheels than kick 10 bells out of them, i hate them, too, why because the government thanks partly to that fat sad excuse of a mayor now or soon to be in top government Boris , who took the side of the tree hugging lycra wearing helmet cam wearing idiots on push-bikes it’s gone too far, these clowns are never to blame, the system is wrong and out of touch , perhaps these are some of the reasons why so many drivers would run them over if they could get away with it,
All pedal cycles used on our roads should be required to be insured against 3rd party risks at the very least
The city that lets cyclists jump red lights
bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33773868
“”“What we want to do is make life easier for the cyclist. Stopping and starting requires energy, and too often it is completely unnecessary. By not having to stop, they can get where they are going more quickly,” says Najdoski, who belongs to the Greens.“”"
“”"“It is a great advance because it shows we are moving away from the idea that red and green lights are all that count,” says Kiki Lambert of the group Mieux Se Deplacer a Bicyclette (Getting around better on a bike).
"If we have that attitude, then we turn people into automatons and it is much more dangerous. People end up thinking that just because a light is green it is safe to go - when it might not be… Far better to use all our senses all the time.
“Also allowing cyclists to proceed is safer, because it means they avoid getting caught beside trucks and buses as they wait for lights to change. That is the origin of a lot of accidents.”
telegraph.co.uk/men/active/r … ights.html
“”" By introducing a free bicycle hire scheme, laying 700km of dedicated cycle routes, and banning HGVs from the city centre during rush hour, the French capital now regularly registers an annual cyclist death toll of zero (in comparison, eight cyclists have already died in London this year).“”"
“”“These surveys all have problems,” says Dr. Rachel Aldred, senior transport lecturer at the University of Westminster, “but it’s interesting that red light jumping attracts such ire. In London, something like 4pc of pedestrian casualties related to red light jumping involve cyclists jumping red lights [the other 96pc are motor vehicles]. It’s not a major issue like the problem we have with the blindspots of HGV vehicles.” (Seven out of the eight deaths in London this year have involved a Heavy Goods Vehicule.)“”"
Evil8Beezle:
I knew this was going to be a bellend Vid the second the word “fixy” got introduced…
I only bothered with 3 minutes, but this video should be entitled: How to become roadkill.This topic keeps on giving and giving…
Youtube is absolutely rammed solid with videos from both cyclists and motorcyclists in London who feel the need to upload themselves riding like tossers but you can bet they’re the loudest when it comes to blaming car, van, bus and truck drivers for the accidents involving bikes and motorbikes when the reality was they were trying to get into a gap that didn’t exist because they feel they have an entitlement above all others on the road and pavements whether in vehicle or on foot.
Muckaway:
Yes but neither hgv driver was arrested so the police haven’t immediatly suspected the drivers of any wrongdoing.
is that so ■■
the bbc report i saw was asking anyone who saw a blue scania to come forward
implying he didnt stop .
will probably have to wait for local paper as reports dont mention anything about arrests etc
albion1971:
MrFlibble:
Him: No. I hate the f***ers. I’d run them all over if it wasn’t for the fact that I’d lose my licence.Unfortunately this is the type of driver attitude that is all too common.
There’s a thing called respect and until drivers and cyclists start showing some it will get no better.
Do you really think that’s not a load of bs. 
The reality is more like too many of them are immature retards,with a mental age of 12,who are probably only riding a bicycle because they are too backward and unintelligent to get a job which pays enough to buy and run a car.
On that note more like terrified of meeting one of the them at the wrong time in the wrong place and innocently ending up on the wrong end of a causing death/injury by dangerous charge.Which the last time I checked involves ‘a bit’ more,in terms of a penalty,than just licence points.
boredwivdrivin:
Muckaway:
Yes but neither hgv driver was arrested so the police haven’t immediatly suspected the drivers of any wrongdoing.is that so ■■
the bbc report i saw was asking anyone who saw a blue scania to come forward
implying he didnt stop .
will probably have to wait for local paper as reports dont mention anything about arrests etc
In which case it would be interesting to find out the exact circumstances.Bearing in mind that it is possible that the circumstances involved in running over an undertaking cyclist in a blind spot would also mean no knowledge of any collision.
boredwivdrivin:
Muckaway:
Yes but neither hgv driver was arrested so the police haven’t immediatly suspected the drivers of any wrongdoing.is that so ■■
the bbc report i saw was asking anyone who saw a blue scania to come forward
implying he didnt stop .
How does appealing for witnesses, apportion blame or say the truck driver was at fault■■? 
it doesnt .
and neither does muckaway assertion that trucky is innocent because he hasnt been arrested .
im just pointing out that radio said police were looking for blue scania
implying they had not found driver .
the bbc reports are really not clear . it could mean various things so is poor reporting
Another wingefest about cycling, the last one hasn’t even finished & another has started up. They don’t even talk about cycling this much on their own forums.