8LXBV8BRIAN:
The same spec Dennis ,as you say what a total miss-match of parts. think Waugh’s had 6 Atkis with this spec if i remember this one in the
photo had the large black 4 spoke seddon wheel as did ONL 428M which you ended up with they were the last two to come with no power steering
and the last 220 ■■■■■■■ engines .
This the beastie Bri !! this shot was taken after the old girl had finished work and had received a “makeover” and a well earned retirement,just kept as a pet then,I think this shot was taken at an Atki gathering at the Leyland Motors museum ?.The Atkis would have greatly enhanced the Leyland exhibits I guess! Cheers Dennis.
milkmantom:
oreet dennis i bet they were queingup to drive it eh happy new year bit late been at work ower xmas keepin farmers happy
Same to you Tom and many of them Marra,so where were you at Mid-night on new years eve ? stood in cow ■■■■ pumping the white stuff ?Niver mind eh! Double,double time and a day off in lieu,can’t be bad !! Cheers Dennis.
8LXBV8BRIAN:
The same spec Dennis ,as you say what a total miss-match of parts. think Waugh’s had 6 Atkis with this spec if i remember this one in the
photo had the large black 4 spoke seddon wheel as did ONL 428M which you ended up with they were the last two to come with no power steering
and the last 220 ■■■■■■■ engines .
We had a number of the Atkis with those big 4 spoke wheels,well they were better than those little poxy 2 spoke ones,especially when they had no PAS. Cheers Dennis.
I was priviledged to drive an ex-Hanson Mk1 8-wheeler with no power steering for quite a time. If you had seen me throwing it around the streets of London, stood up, heaving on the steering wheel…
And I notice that Bewick drivers were treated to the luxury of a Jennings nesting box!
8LXBV8BRIAN:
The same spec Dennis ,as you say what a total miss-match of parts. think Waugh’s had 6 Atkis with this spec if i remember this one in the
photo had the large black 4 spoke seddon wheel as did ONL 428M which you ended up with they were the last two to come with no power steering
and the last 220 ■■■■■■■ engines .
This the beastie Bri !! this shot was taken after the old girl had finished work and had received a “makeover” and a well earned retirement,just kept as a pet then,I think this shot was taken at an Atki gathering at the Leyland Motors museum ?.The Atkis would have greatly enhanced the Leyland exhibits I guess! Cheers Dennis.
Hello Bewick.
Atkinson Borderer T3446C 4x2,chassis no.FC.26693,ONL 428M.
The enquiry is complete.
The vehicle details for ONL 482M are:
Date of Liability 01 04 1992
Date of First Registration 13 02 1974
The photograph was probably taken at the 1987 or 1988 Seddon Atkinson Gathering,at the British Commercial Vehicle Museum,at Leyland.
Is this Atkinson lorry still owned and preserved by you? Please.Is it still with us? I hope so
In the early `70s which engine would have been regarded as the best puller in the 200 - 220 bhp , ■■■■■■■■ Leyland, Rolls Royce , F86, AEC ,Merc (joking), Daf etc .Obviously it would depend on which gearbox was fitted but did 1 engine stand out from the rest?
Well Ramone we had an Sedaki with the RR Engine & it used to pull like a train, It had a Fuller 9 speed box & could outpull the Volvos no problem, But In my opinion a lot of it is down to the driver, Some drivers that I knew didnt have the feel or the sence when to drop a gear if you know what I mean Eh, Regards Larry.
ramone:
In the early `70s which engine would have been regarded as the best puller in the 200 - 220 bhp , ■■■■■■■■ Leyland, Rolls Royce , F86, AEC ,Merc (joking), Daf etc .Obviously it would depend on which gearbox was fitted but did 1 engine stand out from the rest?
Well ramone, if you discount the big Scania V, the superb F89, and stick with the , (almost) Brits…Rolls Royce would be my choice, more forgiving on fuel, if you gave her some stick, than Mr ■■■■■■■ 220 ! The DAF, well a grown up Leyland 680! Then of course came the ■■■■■■■ E 290 series, but needing a lot of driver discipline if you did not require big fuel tanks!!, (as did the early 250hp Berliet, Maxi-Couple designs…pure alcholics)!!
The F86 was a much “softer” option, never seemed to be powerfull, but she got you there, and did not use a lot of fuel. But the little Scania, she was a peach, much under rated, it was not how fast she seemed to go…but the time it took to do the journey that counted! And she was never far behind the big “thumpers”!
But of course the lucky ones drove an F88 240, but with an SR61, 16 speed. That gearbox did for the torque less TD100, what the Foden 12speed did for the torque less Gardner 180…made it a flyer…but with less skill needed from the “chauffer”!!!Never was gearing so important, but I will stick with the Rolls…purely from the Drivers point of view…what a goer, like a Honda 6cylinder, against a vibrating Triumph twin!!
Hold on to the B.H.P 200 TO 220 BHP so lets keep it down on the real level or the Mighty Manchester 8 cylinder legend will rule the thread -
The 220 ■■■■■■■ with road ranger box was king for a day or to ,best put me hard hat on Kevmac47 will never let me live this post down .
8LXBV8BRIAN:
Hold on to the B.H.P 200 TO 220 BHP so lets keep it down on the real level or the Mighty Manchester 8 cylinder legend will rule the thread -
The 220 ■■■■■■■ with road ranger box was king for a day or to ,best put me hard hat on Kevmac47 will never let me live this post down .
But not if it had that abortionate David Brown range change box behind it…screams from the nether world come to mind, and a 240F88, SR61 would eat it, even on economy!!!
220 CU, 9sp…forget it…the start of the oil crisis!! I love ■■■■■■■■■■■ the 220…forget it!
But to be really antagonistic…a Saviem MAN V8 300(din)hp, and Saviem 10sp synchro would eat them all…performance…economy…and real driver comfort…like you never ever experienced in the UK!!!
Im away to the Bollinger, to dream of proper lorries…like we never had in the UK!! Bon Nuit mes Braves, Cheerio for now.
8LXBV8BRIAN:
Hold on to the B.H.P 200 TO 220 BHP so lets keep it down on the real level or the Mighty Manchester 8 cylinder legend will rule the thread -
The 220 ■■■■■■■ with road ranger box was king for a day or to ,best put me hard hat on Kevmac47 will never let me live this post down .
But not if it had that abortionate David Brown range change box behind it…screams from the nether world come to mind, and a 240F88, SR61 would eat it, even on economy!!!
220 CU, 9sp…forget it…the start of the oil crisis!! I love ■■■■■■■■■■■ the 220…forget it!
But to be really antagonistic…a Saviem MAN V8 300(din)hp, and Saviem 10sp synchro would eat them all…performance…economy…and real driver comfort…like you never ever experienced in the UK!!!
Im away to the Bollinger, to dream of proper lorries…like we never had in the UK!! Bon Nuit mes Braves, Cheerio for now.
I put the 200 - 220 bhp there as they would have been the bread and butter motors of the time,.the higher bhp motors more rare .How did the F86 engine compare to say a AV760 or a 205 ■■■■■■■ .What were the Leylands like in comparison?
Well ramone, much as I love Mr ■■■■■■■■ the bits around his engines were not so great in “driver” terms.
If I were doing a hard shift, I must say that the 192hp F86, would be my choice. Quiet, warm, comfortable. No not a barn stormer, but whilst I watched the RR, or 205 drawn tail lights go away up the bank…well I would be listening to my radio, adjusting the heater controls, looking behind me in those big vibration free mirrors, and wriggling my bum on that comfortable cloth seat, (with that modest, but adequate little bunk behind me)!
And when I arrived…well, 22tons minimum payload, easy to manouver comfortable, not tired, and only minutes behind the “big power”, 205, 220, AV760, (sorry, he would be well behind…roaring along in some subterranean gear, on even a modest bank)!!!
Why did British lorry engineers never ever grasp, or even try to identify what it was like to actually try to earn a living from their wares■■?
But sadly the “cowboy”, in this elderley Farmer…well I would have been swopping cogs in gay abandon, like a frustrated TT racer…in my ■■■■■■■ 205, 10sp Fuller Atkinson!!!..and b…r the Radio!!!
Saviem:
Well ramone, much as I love Mr ■■■■■■■■ the bits around his engines were not so great in “driver” terms.
If I were doing a hard shift, I must say that the 192hp F86, would be my choice. Quiet, warm, comfortable. No not a barn stormer, but whilst I watched the RR, or 205 drawn tail lights go away up the bank…well I would be listening to my radio, adjusting the heater controls, looking behind me in those big vibration free mirrors, and wriggling my bum on that comfortable cloth seat, (with that modest, but adequate little bunk behind me)!
And when I arrived…well, 22tons minimum payload, easy to manouver comfortable, not tired, and only minutes behind the “big power”, 205, 220, AV760, (sorry, he would be well behind…roaring along in some subterranean gear, on even a modest bank)!!!
Why did British lorry engineers never ever grasp, or even try to identify what it was like to actually try to earn a living from their wares■■?
But sadly the “cowboy”, in this elderley Farmer…well I would have been swopping cogs in gay abandon, like a frustrated TT racer…in my ■■■■■■■ 205, 10sp Fuller Atkinson!!!..and b…r the Radi
Cheerio for now.
So on a more level playing field put a 9 speed fuller behind the Rolls ■■■■■■■ Av760 Leyland etc all with similar power would 1 engine stand out or were they much the same?
Saviem:
Well ramone, much as I love Mr ■■■■■■■■ the bits around his engines were not so great in “driver” terms.
If I were doing a hard shift, I must say that the 192hp F86, would be my choice. Quiet, warm, comfortable. No not a barn stormer, but whilst I watched the RR, or 205 drawn tail lights go away up the bank…well I would be listening to my radio, adjusting the heater controls, looking behind me in those big vibration free mirrors, and wriggling my bum on that comfortable cloth seat, (with that modest, but adequate little bunk behind me)!
And when I arrived…well, 22tons minimum payload, easy to manouver comfortable, not tired, and only minutes behind the “big power”, 205, 220, AV760, (sorry, he would be well behind…roaring along in some subterranean gear, on even a modest bank)!!!
Why did British lorry engineers never ever grasp, or even try to identify what it was like to actually try to earn a living from their wares■■?
But sadly the “cowboy”, in this elderley Farmer…well I would have been swopping cogs in gay abandon, like a frustrated TT racer…in my ■■■■■■■ 205, 10sp Fuller Atkinson!!!..and b…r the Radi
Cheerio for now.
So on a more level playing field put a 9 speed fuller behind the Rolls ■■■■■■■ Av760 Leyland etc all with similar power would 1 engine stand out or were they much the same?
At about the 220bhp mark they were all pretty even but when it came to hills one stood out ! the Roller, they were very good pullers and dropped little speed, the downside to this was they had a lower top speed than the rest, used a little more fuel and weren’t as reliable as the others, horses for courses I guess. I always thought the 680 Leyland or the 760 AEC’s were good all rounders.
Saviem:
Well ramone, much as I love Mr ■■■■■■■■ the bits around his engines were not so great in “driver” terms.
If I were doing a hard shift, I must say that the 192hp F86, would be my choice. Quiet, warm, comfortable. No not a barn stormer, but whilst I watched the RR, or 205 drawn tail lights go away up the bank…well I would be listening to my radio, adjusting the heater controls, looking behind me in those big vibration free mirrors, and wriggling my bum on that comfortable cloth seat, (with that modest, but adequate little bunk behind me)!
And when I arrived…well, 22tons minimum payload, easy to manouver comfortable, not tired, and only minutes behind the “big power”, 205, 220, AV760, (sorry, he would be well behind…roaring along in some subterranean gear, on even a modest bank)!!!
Why did British lorry engineers never ever grasp, or even try to identify what it was like to actually try to earn a living from their wares■■?
But sadly the “cowboy”, in this elderley Farmer…well I would have been swopping cogs in gay abandon, like a frustrated TT racer…in my ■■■■■■■ 205, 10sp Fuller Atkinson!!!..and b…r the Radi
Cheerio for now.
So on a more level playing field put a 9 speed fuller behind the Rolls ■■■■■■■ Av760 Leyland etc all with similar power would 1 engine stand out or were they much the same?
At about the 220bhp mark they were all pretty even but when it came to hills one stood out ! the Roller, they were very good pullers and dropped little speed, the downside to this was they had a lower top speed than the rest, used a little more fuel and weren’t as reliable as the others, horses for courses I guess. I always thought the 680 Leyland or the 760 AEC’s were good all rounders.
That sounds more down to gearing Trev ,i had a Gardner 320 which romped up the hills but at 60 mph you were really pushing it .
8LXBV8BRIAN:
Hold on to the B.H.P 200 TO 220 BHP so lets keep it down on the real level or the Mighty Manchester 8 cylinder legend will rule the thread -
The 220 ■■■■■■■ with road ranger box was king for a day or to ,best put me hard hat on Kevmac47 will never let me live this post down .
But not if it had that abortionate David Brown range change box behind it…screams from the nether world come to mind, and a 240F88, SR61 would eat it, even on economy!!!
220 CU, 9sp…forget it…the start of the oil crisis!! I love ■■■■■■■■■■■ the 220…forget it!
But to be really antagonistic…a Saviem MAN V8 300(din)hp, and Saviem 10sp synchro would eat them all…performance…economy…and real driver comfort…like you never ever experienced in the UK!!!
Im away to the Bollinger, to dream of proper lorries…like we never had in the UK!! Bon Nuit mes Braves, Cheerio for now.
Saviem was the Saviem only a V8 MAN as the MAN used the V10 which had some awesome grunt at 320
cheers Johnnie
Saviem:
Well ramone, much as I love Mr ■■■■■■■■ the bits around his engines were not so great in “driver” terms.
If I were doing a hard shift, I must say that the 192hp F86, would be my choice. Quiet, warm, comfortable. No not a barn stormer, but whilst I watched the RR, or 205 drawn tail lights go away up the bank…well I would be listening to my radio, adjusting the heater controls, looking behind me in those big vibration free mirrors, and wriggling my bum on that comfortable cloth seat, (with that modest, but adequate little bunk behind me)!
And when I arrived…well, 22tons minimum payload, easy to manouver comfortable, not tired, and only minutes behind the “big power”, 205, 220, AV760, (sorry, he would be well behind…roaring along in some subterranean gear, on even a modest bank)!!!
Why did British lorry engineers never ever grasp, or even try to identify what it was like to actually try to earn a living from their wares■■?
But sadly the “cowboy”, in this elderley Farmer…well I would have been swopping cogs in gay abandon, like a frustrated TT racer…in my ■■■■■■■ 205, 10sp Fuller Atkinson!!!..and b…r the Radi
Cheerio for now.
So on a more level playing field put a 9 speed fuller behind the Rolls ■■■■■■■ Av760 Leyland etc all with similar power would 1 engine stand out or were they much the same?
At about the 220bhp mark they were all pretty even but when it came to hills one stood out ! the Roller, they were very good pullers and dropped little speed, the downside to this was they had a lower top speed than the rest, used a little more fuel and weren’t as reliable as the others, horses for courses I guess. I always thought the 680 Leyland or the 760 AEC’s were good all rounders.
That sounds more down to gearing Trev ,i had a Gardner 320 which romped up the hills but at 60 mph you were really pushing it .
They were geared just a little lower but I think they had to cut down the engine revs on them as well to slow head gasket and piston problems. What I do remember about 220 Rollers was the terrible throttle linkage which had an all or nothing feel to it and made the pump rack bounce which lead to awful kangaroo impressions, the 265, 280,290 rollers didn’t have those problems and were good motors and all very good pullers for their power output.
8LXBV8BRIAN:
Hold on to the B.H.P 200 TO 220 BHP so lets keep it down on the real level or the Mighty Manchester 8 cylinder legend will rule the thread -
The 220 ■■■■■■■ with road ranger box was king for a day or to ,best put me hard hat on Kevmac47 will never let me live this post down .
Brian i think its time you took MGW981L for a spin, you might change your mind about your beloved 8 cylinder legend!!
200 TO 220 BHP so lets keep it down on the real level or the Mighty Manchester 8 cylinder legend will rule the thread 
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