ref the Atki gear shift, the remote housing can have the rear face drilled and taped for a grease ■■■■■■ if not already done
fill it up with grease worked great on all the Atkis at waugh’s in the day, stops the rattle from the lever too.
The most common part for the stiff/poor gear-change was the two small U/J one at each end of the linkage giving trouble
plus the adjustment off the coupling to get the lever movement so it stayed clear of the seat cushion drivers leg etc.
The other thing to check is the clutch fork cross over shaft bushing this can seize and turn solid in the alluminium bell housing or
just wear on the nearside only this causes the clutch re/lease bearing fork to work at a slight angle making the clutch disengagement gear selection
notchy,
The clutch pedal linkage rod has two clevis pins which used to wear more so the front one as it was awkward to get at grease/oil if they are worn you can have an awful
lot of wasted travel on the pedal before it starts to do any work at all.
They might have been all basic in the installation but they still require setting up to get the best from them and save your legs/knees arms too. 
just a few things from a long time ago. 
Thanks for jogging the shrivelled memory! I had completely forgotten about the Atki linkages- the son of one of our drivers was a wizard at setting them up whenever we had a “new” vehicle in the fleet. He was also brilliant at fettling the Gardner throttle linkage so that the driver didn’t need to stand on the pedal all day.
Evening all, …long day “in the saddle”, trying to prevent our, “benign”, little stream totally flooding many acres of ground… I hope that our little efforts have worked!, (makes you feel like a b… Ant, at times)!
road-ranger, my comments implied no criticism of your driving style, believe me , it is nice to see, a “younger man”, who can drive a proper lorry. I was just reminded of just how heavy those Atkinson clutch pedals really were!!(and how I circumnavigated them, with clutchless changes)!! Mind you, even as a relative youngster, my knees were a trifle “fatigued”, having coped with Mr Fodens delightful clutch set ups on S20, and S21s, with Gardner power, for a number of years.
Looking at your film, I presume from the brown steering wheel, she had no power steering, (much better sir…does not wear out the steer axle tyres)!! Now if she had the smaller black steering wheel, of the pas version, (superb manouverability, walk any trailer into anywhere)!! oh what it was to be an Atkinson salesman…particularly when even the vehicle you ordered was delivered with a totally different specification!!!
ROF, I wish I had known your colleague, its true, no two gear linkage set ups, were the same, even on new chassis…and on those with a few miles on them… and I could only dream of a light Gardner throttle!!(but why could M Bernard provide such a luxury on his French built Gardners)■■?
That was one of the beauties of ■■■■■■■ powered Atkinsons…that delightfully light, and responsive throttle, but why could Seddon make such a “hash” of it, with their installation in their Tractors?? made, well, even a skilled driver sound like a cowboy…bruuum, bruum, etc.
I shall contemplate this fact with a rather large glass of Bollinger,…Bon Nuit mes Braves, Cheerio for now.
And another little gem has just sidled into the shrivelled grey cells- what about the Atki’s air-assisted steering? Anyone else have one of these abortions? On many occasions I have shunted back & forth trying to get the beast into exactly the position the customer wants it, only to have the air pressure drop out of the floor, leaving a very embarassed young (in those days) driver stuck with the cab halfway across a major road waiting for the air to build up!
Did Atkinson’s deliberately fit small air tanks in order to save a bit of weight, or was it yet another example of “customer development”? No doubt Bewick will have a take on this.
And have you finally persuaded Mr Deere to don his wellies and rescue your pommes de terres from their mud bath?
Now then,in response to the “Great Hong”(Saviem) of the Shropshire paddy fields ! All our Atki Borderers with the ubiquitous Brown steering wheel,had PAS,but Oh! dear when they dropped the "brown " wheel we got Borderers deliverd with two types of black wheel,some were seconhand,the small little “noddy” wheel,some came with PAS and some without but also some appeared with a “4 spoke” basically at “10 to 2 and 20 to 20 past” configuration,which I believe could have been Seddon wheels.As regards the “Air-o-matic” steering ROF,we did fit this to a new Borderer which should have been delivered (as per our order!) with ZF PAS,the Air-o-Matic was crap !!As per Saviems addmission that regardless of what you thought you ordered from Atkinsons,it bore no resemblance to the “spec” that was delivered,they would even have stuffed a RR220 engine into you if they thought they could have got away with it !! And don’t you dare have the affront to challenge my belief on this matter Saviem( unless,of course you can keep a straight face) !!! 
Sqelch squelch,oh sod it,over the wellie tops again !! Dennis.
And have you finally persuaded Mr Deere to don his wellies and rescue your pommes de terres from their mud bath?
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Evening all, ROF, in a word yes!! The one on tracks is superb in the mud, (less so on a wet road with a few tons on the trailer)!!
For the past few days we have been trying to prevent the flooding of a fair few acres, but if we have been succesfull,…well we will know soon enough!!
Funny old world, you try to help people, but end up upsetting them !Part of our ground abutts a new “executive” housing development in our village. Now, way back in my youth this ground, (then the local garage), used to flood quite spectacularly. Then about twenty years ago, the then owner dug some pools to take the sting out of the flow, and since Ive owned the ground I have kept them well dredged…But this year, with the monsoons, the flow is about 10,000gallons per hour, so the only answer is to deepen the channel. So away I toddle, with my venerable Hy Mac 360, to do such works. “Ill be back for my dinner”, I told my good lady.
If you wish to excite people, then turn up on a field with a piece of plant!! Only digging for about 15minutes, and the executive females are out with Cameras, (I should have had a shave), and calls of, “were contacting the council”, ring out, after an hour, Ive had enough, so pack up, and toddle back.(In time for coffee, ( &Calvados), and fresh baked apple pie! “have you upset anyone” I was asked, "of course not ", said I, well into my seconds of everything!
Yesterday evening, all their “twee” gardens are flooded right over. And by tommorow, well I expect that their patios will have gone as well! The biggest cause of flooding, not keeping watercourses clear, and deep,…oh and idiot planners allowing development on flood plain, and water meadow.
Sorry, nothing at all to do with Mr ■■■■■■■ excellent products. ROF, I never drove an Atkinson with air steering, a Scammel, yes, (and what a wandering adventure that was! and once imported an air steered W900 Kenworth…we learn by our mistakes!! And that had a 14litre with Dyno sheets showing 500hp at the bogie, from Fresno California, What use all that power, if you could not get round a roundabout!!!
Believe me that question came to me many, many times, (particularly on twisting roads…hiss, hiss, as I fought that big white rudder!!!
Driven me to drink those thoughts, Cheerio for now.
Bewick:
Now then,in response to the “Great Hong”(Saviem) of the Shropshire paddy fields ! All our Atki Borderers with the ubiquitous Brown steering wheel,had PAS,but Oh! dear when they dropped the "brown " wheel we got Borderers deliverd with two types of black wheel,some were seconhand,the small little “noddy” wheel,some came with PAS and some without but also some appeared with a “4 spoke” basically at “10 to 2 and 20 to 20 past” configuration,which I believe could have been Seddon wheels.As regards the “Air-o-matic” steering ROF,we did fit this to a new Borderer which should have been delivered (as per our order!) with ZF PAS,the Air-o-Matic was crap !!As per Saviems addmission that regardless of what you thought you ordered from Atkinsons,it bore no resemblance to the “spec” that was delivered,they would even have stuffed a RR220 engine into you if they thought they could have got away with it !! And don’t you dare have the affront to challenge my belief on this matter Saviem( unless,of course you can keep a straight face) !!!
Dennis, you are, (as usual), totally right, I really do not think that the factory had any idea just what a mis match they were turning out! And when Messers Redmonds cowboys were riding the range, well anything went!! With those “mini” black steering wheels and no PAS, they should have sent a years supply of Spinage!! Armstrong…par excellence. Cheerio for now.
Saviem:
Bewick:
Now then,in response to the “Great Hong”(Saviem) of the Shropshire paddy fields ! All our Atki Borderers with the ubiquitous Brown steering wheel,had PAS,but Oh! dear when they dropped the "brown " wheel we got Borderers deliverd with two types of black wheel,some were seconhand,the small little “noddy” wheel,some came with PAS and some without but also some appeared with a “4 spoke” basically at “10 to 2 and 20 to 20 past” configuration,which I believe could have been Seddon wheels.As regards the “Air-o-matic” steering ROF,we did fit this to a new Borderer which should have been delivered (as per our order!) with ZF PAS,the Air-o-Matic was crap !!As per Saviems addmission that regardless of what you thought you ordered from Atkinsons,it bore no resemblance to the “spec” that was delivered,they would even have stuffed a RR220 engine into you if they thought they could have got away with it !! And don’t you dare have the affront to challenge my belief on this matter Saviem( unless,of course you can keep a straight face) !!!Dennis, you are, (as usual), totally right, I really do not think that the factory had any idea just what a mis match they were turning out! And when Messers Redmonds cowboys were riding the range, well anything went!! With those “mini” black steering wheels and no PAS, they should have sent a years supply of Spinage!! Armstrong…par excellence. Cheerio for now.
Ah! the Redmonds!! I remember attending the Sed/Atk launch at Rylands,Warrington branch with my old pal the late Malc Woodhouse Snr,The Redmonds were stood right in front of us at “unvailing”,both of us remarked,loudly,that whoever had designed,and repostioned,the aircleaner intake which was under the N/s wing should have it shoved right up his jacksie !! The Redmonds,immediately, beat a very hasty retreat and we never got to air our respective views to either father or son!! Bear in mind that both the Atki Borderer and the 32/4 Seddon had perfectly postioned air intakes on the rear of their cabs,well out of the way of water ingression.We had to modify all the air intakes on the numerous early Sed/Atks we bought,and they wondered why we finally got ■■■■■■ off and started to buy Scanias and Volvos.The Redmonds and Sed/Atks were incapable of getting even the basics right,the likes of the Great Tom Riding should have been awarded a knighthood for his persistance with operating Sed/Atks over the years! Cheers Dennis.
Heres a link to my Mates Atkinson Gritter fitted with ■■■■■■■ NHE180…Just Videoed today … Enjoy…
This particular Borderer had to be the one of the most obnoxious specs ever built at Walton-le-Dale,apart from the 220 ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ even this great power plant turned out to be the worst ■■■■■■■ we ever operated!! The Spec,220 ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ black steering wheel no PAS,DB 6.600 G/Box,Seddon Group axle,ugh!But to add insult to grevious financial injury I had to pay £250 cash(in brown envelope) as well as List price for the priviledge of securing such a ■■■■■■■ abortion.This was in October 1973 when you had to be grateful a new chassis could be got hold off,at any price! The 250 notes probably disappeared into the “trousers” of some dealers in the West Midlands,I seem to recall that this tractor origionated from that area!! We ran it on day and night shifts for a couple of years then I " got rid",the gear box trouble and axle failures we had,and then finally the engine started “breathing”,was I glad to see the back of that Atki,I sincerely hoped it ended up back with the dealers it came from !! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
This particular Borderer had to be the one of the most obnoxious specs ever built at Walton-le-Dale,apart from the 220 ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ even this great power plant turned out to be the worst ■■■■■■■ we ever operated!! The Spec,220 ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ black steering wheel no PAS,DB 6.600 G/Box,Seddon Group axle,ugh!But to add insult to grevious financial injury I had to pay £250 cash(in brown envelope) as well as List price for the priviledge of securing such a [zb] abortion.This was in October 1973 when you had to be grateful a new chassis could be got hold off,at any price! The 250 notes probably disappeared into the “trousers” of some dealers in the West Midlands,I seem to recall that this tractor origionated from that area!! We ran it on day and night shifts for a couple of years then I " got rid",the gear box trouble and axle failures we had,and then finally the engine started “breathing”,was I glad to see the back of that Atki,I sincerely hoped it ended up back with the dealers it came from !! Cheers Dennis.
October 73…missed your cash, I was pedalling non existent Volvo, F88s and F89s at that time!!! only the delightful F86 to sell, far better to run than a 220 ■■■■■■■ Atkinson, minimum 22tons payload, 8mpg, and you could hear the radio!! Was the first time that I realised that the families big Fodens were really “primeval”!! Quite a shock, as I loved the Fodens.
Back to the Bollinger, then bed a really big day tommorow!! Cheerio for now!
Bewick:
Ah! the Redmonds!! I remember attending the Sed/Atk launch at Rylands,Warrington branch with my old pal the late Malc Woodhouse Snr,The Redmonds were stood right in front of us at “unvailing”,both of us remarked,loudly,that whoever had designed,and repostioned,the aircleaner intake which was under the N/s wing should have it shoved right up his jacksie !! The Redmonds,immediately, beat a very hasty retreat and we never got to air our respective views to either father or son!! Bear in mind that both the Atki Borderer and the 32/4 Seddon had perfectly postioned air intakes on the rear of their cabs,well out of the way of water ingression.We had to modify all the air intakes on the numerous early Sed/Atks we bought,and they wondered why we finally got ■■■■■■ off and started to buy Scanias and Volvos.The Redmonds and Sed/Atks were incapable of getting even the basics right,the likes of the Great Tom Riding should have been awarded a knighthood for his persistance with operating Sed/Atks over the years! Cheers Dennis.
LB Scanias had the air filter behind the bumper, without problems (as far as I know). What was wrong with the Seddon Atkinson arrangement?
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anorak:Bewick:
Ah! the Redmonds!! I remember attending the Sed/Atk launch at Rylands,Warrington branch with my old pal the late Malc Woodhouse Snr,The Redmonds were stood right in front of us at “unvailing”,both of us remarked,loudly,that whoever had designed,and repostioned,the aircleaner intake which was under the N/s wing should have it shoved right up his jacksie !! The Redmonds,immediately, beat a very hasty retreat and we never got to air our respective views to either father or son!! Bear in mind that both the Atki Borderer and the 32/4 Seddon had perfectly postioned air intakes on the rear of their cabs,well out of the way of water ingression.We had to modify all the air intakes on the numerous early Sed/Atks we bought,and they wondered why we finally got ■■■■■■ off and started to buy Scanias and Volvos.The Redmonds and Sed/Atks were incapable of getting even the basics right,the likes of the Great Tom Riding should have been awarded a knighthood for his persistance with operating Sed/Atks over the years! Cheers Dennis.LB Scanias had the air filter behind the bumper, without problems (as far as I know). What was wrong with the Seddon Atkinson arrangement?
The 400 series S/A had the filter above the o/s/front wheel under the cab and the intake went down to the front but still inside the wheel arch beside the steering box
it used to hoover all the dirt/spray up ,the filter used to clog up swell with the water etc. plus this air filter set up was why you had a better steering lock one way than
the other.
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anorak:Bewick:
Ah! the Redmonds!! I remember attending the Sed/Atk launch at Rylands,Warrington branch with my old pal the late Malc Woodhouse Snr,The Redmonds were stood right in front of us at “unvailing”,both of us remarked,loudly,that whoever had designed,and repostioned,the aircleaner intake which was under the N/s wing should have it shoved right up his jacksie !! The Redmonds,immediately, beat a very hasty retreat and we never got to air our respective views to either father or son!! Bear in mind that both the Atki Borderer and the 32/4 Seddon had perfectly postioned air intakes on the rear of their cabs,well out of the way of water ingression.We had to modify all the air intakes on the numerous early Sed/Atks we bought,and they wondered why we finally got ■■■■■■ off and started to buy Scanias and Volvos.The Redmonds and Sed/Atks were incapable of getting even the basics right,the likes of the Great Tom Riding should have been awarded a knighthood for his persistance with operating Sed/Atks over the years! Cheers Dennis.LB Scanias had the air filter behind the bumper, without problems (as far as I know). What was wrong with the Seddon Atkinson arrangement?
The 400 series S/A had the filter above the o/s/front wheel under the cab and the intake went down to the front but still inside the wheel arch beside the steering box
it used to hoover all the dirt/spray up ,the filter used to clog up swell with the water etc. plus this air filter set up was why you had a better steering lock one way than
the other.
The Sed-Ak filter was paper element and useless if wet, the Scania’s used an oil bath filter which would take a lot more crap and could be cleaned out easily.
This has got to be the ideal air cleaner set up,this one on the Atki Borderer 8LXB,now why ever would Sed/Atk think it was an improvement to reposition the filter and intake under the cab !! Well at least ERF’s new “B” series,launched at the same time, positioned the Air filter and intake in a sensible place on the rear of the cab.
Bewick:
This has got to be the ideal air cleaner set up,this one on the Atki Borderer 8LXB,now why ever would Sed/Atk think it was an improvement to reposition the filter and intake under the cab !! Well at least ERF’s new “B” series,launched at the same time, positioned the Air filter and intake in a sensible place on the rear of the cab.
The 8 cylinder G had the large filter and the 14 ltr yellow peril plus the bigger of the R/R the stack up the back sure did look
good back then trouble was when they got converted to Jennings sleeper cabs you had to take the air cleaner straps mounting bolts off and
wangle the cleaner down and back to get at the air filter, then refit it
A late '75 shot of a new Borderer just back into the yard from a visit to Jennings !!
oreet dennis i bet they were queingup to drive it eh happy new year bit late been at work ower xmas keepin farmers happy
Bewick:
A late '75 shot of a new Borderer just back into the yard from a visit to Jennings !!
■■■■■■■ 220 with a road ranger gearbox with the smaller of the air filter housing tucked under the Jennings conversion.
used to bend the grab handle on the side back over to stop the drivers getting their skin scrapped off the knuckles,that aluminium door edge trim was razor sharp as the handle was on the
back on the normal day cab just one of the few little things that made life a little better for the drivers.
The same spec Dennis ,as you say what a total miss-match of parts. think Waugh’s had 6 Atkis with this spec if i remember this one in the
photo had the large black 4 spoke seddon wheel as did ONL 428M which you ended up with they were the last two to come with no power steering
and the last 220 ■■■■■■■ engines .
