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georgeking:
Bewick:
georgeking:
Bewick:
georgeking:
Bewick:
To do the job properly Steve,you had to have the right equipment i.e.Sheets and ropes,we never had 1 (one) wet claim in the 13 years we ran out of Bowies with flats,honest !I don’t know how Bradys went on and how the likes of The Addams family got any load to it’s final destination,dry, I couldn’t guess,unless it was during the height of summer during a hot spell !! They often had 5 and 6 sheets,the size of hankies,but snotty ones as well !! I used to go mad at Lamby and demand how they could compare them against our outfit,but heard he just liked winding me up !! he knew which was the decent outfit,plus I had Possy on my side,Brother !!! Cheers Dennis.No doubt Barkers of Lindale and Ashburners of Millom had an high regard for their main competitor and peer Bewick Transport!
Do me a favour “george” ! Cheers dennis.
A lot of West ■■■■■■■■ hauliers used to say the same things about Lawsons and Tyson Burridge, look at those two now. I believe that haulage was only a side business for both Ashburners who were a major fuel distributor and H Barker who were a timber importer and saw-miller.
Commenting only on Ashburners and Barkers “george”,firstly your descriptions of their activities are OTT (probably fully intended to be !)Maybe in Ashburners case they were indeed local coal merchants around Millom,but attempting to operate a haulage operation from the same area is a bit akin to running the 100 mtrs with a “ball and chain” around your ankle! As for Barkers,yes,they did import timber but only as a Contract haulier to AP Builders merchants of Kendal (AP is the initials of Pattinsons who were major builders in the Lake District and still have a large property folio in the Windermere area).Barkers artic ( A Comet 90) driven for many years by Dougy Thompson from Selside used to bring in one load of timber every day,Mon to Fri,from Liverpool.Barkers were also timber fellers and merchants of local woodlands.They did expand into general haulage at the time of de-licencing,their main haulage customer was,of course,Bowater Scott,and IIRC,their main delivery area was Scotland where they reloaded Potatoes for the south.They also hauled long lengths of sawn timber up to the west coast of Scotland for harbour walls etc.Nick names for Barkers IIRC were “Wood Choppers” and “The Adams Family” !! Cheers Dennis.
Years ago (aged 19) I bought a Bedford CF pick up, I used to visit sawmills to collect offcuts and saw dust, the offcuts I sold as firewood the saw dust I sold elsewhere, I knew of every saw mill in the county including H Barker, there was another Barker with a saw mill near Ulverston they must have been part of the same family. H Barker also used to haul into Thames Board Workington whether this was via Robsons I do not know.
I never ever came across AW Jenkinsons however, eventually I stopped doing this went I went to University (Polytechnic in those days) in Newcastle Upon Tyne to study accountancy and finance, I often wondered if I stuck at it would I have had a business today like AW Jenkinson! that I’ll never know. I knew JL Huddart from Cockermouth who had a similar business.
Regarding fuels, there was a man form Cockermouth who had a fuel business and a haulage fleet (nothing spectacular) by all accounts however he was very successful, I believe that he became the Chairman of Jennings Brewery. I remember a huge fuel company based in Barrow In Furness I forget their name however I do remember that they became part of AAH, I also remember Thos W. Ward a huge scrap metal merchant having a depot in Barrow In Furness.
Was it E Holmes coal merchants.
Steve.
georgeking:
Bewick:
georgeking:
Bewick:
georgeking:
Bewick:
To do the job properly Steve,you had to have the right equipment i.e.Sheets and ropes,we never had 1 (one) wet claim in the 13 years we ran out of Bowies with flats,honest !I don’t know how Bradys went on and how the likes of The Addams family got any load to it’s final destination,dry, I couldn’t guess,unless it was during the height of summer during a hot spell !! They often had 5 and 6 sheets,the size of hankies,but snotty ones as well !! I used to go mad at Lamby and demand how they could compare them against our outfit,but heard he just liked winding me up !! he knew which was the decent outfit,plus I had Possy on my side,Brother !!! Cheers Dennis.No doubt Barkers of Lindale and Ashburners of Millom had an high regard for their main competitor and peer Bewick Transport!
Do me a favour “george” ! Cheers dennis.
A lot of West ■■■■■■■■ hauliers used to say the same things about Lawsons and Tyson Burridge, look at those two now. I believe that haulage was only a side business for both Ashburners who were a major fuel distributor and H Barker who were a timber importer and saw-miller.
Commenting only on Ashburners and Barkers “george”,firstly your descriptions of their activities are OTT (probably fully intended to be !)Maybe in Ashburners case they were indeed local coal merchants around Millom,but attempting to operate a haulage operation from the same area is a bit akin to running the 100 mtrs with a “ball and chain” around your ankle! As for Barkers,yes,they did import timber but only as a Contract haulier to AP Builders merchants of Kendal (AP is the initials of Pattinsons who were major builders in the Lake District and still have a large property folio in the Windermere area).Barkers artic ( A Comet 90) driven for many years by Dougy Thompson from Selside used to bring in one load of timber every day,Mon to Fri,from Liverpool.Barkers were also timber fellers and merchants of local woodlands.They did expand into general haulage at the time of de-licencing,their main haulage customer was,of course,Bowater Scott,and IIRC,their main delivery area was Scotland where they reloaded Potatoes for the south.They also hauled long lengths of sawn timber up to the west coast of Scotland for harbour walls etc.Nick names for Barkers IIRC were “Wood Choppers” and “The Adams Family” !! Cheers Dennis.
Years ago (aged 19) I bought a Bedford CF pick up, I used to visit sawmills to collect offcuts and saw dust, the offcuts I sold as firewood the saw dust I sold elsewhere, I knew of every saw mill in the county including H Barker, there was another Barker with a saw mill near Ulverston they must have been part of the same family. H Barker also used to haul into Thames Board Workington whether this was via Robsons I do not know.
I never ever came across AW Jenkinsons however, eventually I stopped doing this went I went to University (Polytechnic in those days) in Newcastle Upon Tyne to study accountancy and finance, I often wondered if I stuck at it would I have had a business today like AW Jenkinson! that I’ll never know. I knew JL Huddart from Cockermouth who had a similar business.
Regarding fuels, there was a man form Cockermouth who had a fuel business and a haulage fleet (nothing spectacular) by all accounts however he was very successful, I believe that he became the Chairman of Jennings Brewery. I remember a huge fuel company based in Barrow In Furness I forget their name however I do remember that they became part of AAH, I also remember Thos W. Ward a huge scrap metal merchant having a depot in Barrow In Furness.
Was it E Holmes coal merchants.
Steve.
So what you are saying “george” is that you were there and “in” at the start and could have been a nationwide leader in forrest products,dwarfing the AWJ operation by now !! Thos Ward were large ship breakers and scrap buyers/dealers and they were,when in operation in Barrow,customers of Bradys.While we’er on about missed opertunites,we were one of the first users of Vodaphone cell phones and I re-call been touted by them to invest!I didn’t unfortunately,but a few years later I calculated that if I’d “chanced my arm” for £10’000 at the “get go” that stake was worth,at one time,£1 million.Wether I’d have sold at “the top” or stuck with them as they sunk,I’ll never know !! Cheers Dennis.
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georgeking:
ste sleds:
georgeking:
Bewick:
georgeking:
Bewick:
georgeking:
Bewick:
To do the job properly Steve,you had to have the right equipment i.e.Sheets and ropes,we never had 1 (one) wet claim in the 13 years we ran out of Bowies with flats,honest !I don’t know how Bradys went on and how the likes of The Addams family got any load to it’s final destination,dry, I couldn’t guess,unless it was during the height of summer during a hot spell !! They often had 5 and 6 sheets,the size of hankies,but snotty ones as well !! I used to go mad at Lamby and demand how they could compare them against our outfit,but heard he just liked winding me up !! he knew which was the decent outfit,plus I had Possy on my side,Brother !!! Cheers Dennis.No doubt Barkers of Lindale and Ashburners of Millom had an high regard for their main competitor and peer Bewick Transport!
Do me a favour “george” ! Cheers dennis.
A lot of West ■■■■■■■■ hauliers used to say the same things about Lawsons and Tyson Burridge, look at those two now. I believe that haulage was only a side business for both Ashburners who were a major fuel distributor and H Barker who were a timber importer and saw-miller.
Commenting only on Ashburners and Barkers “george”,firstly your descriptions of their activities are OTT (probably fully intended to be !)Maybe in Ashburners case they were indeed local coal merchants around Millom,but attempting to operate a haulage operation from the same area is a bit akin to running the 100 mtrs with a “ball and chain” around your ankle! As for Barkers,yes,they did import timber but only as a Contract haulier to AP Builders merchants of Kendal (AP is the initials of Pattinsons who were major builders in the Lake District and still have a large property folio in the Windermere area).Barkers artic ( A Comet 90) driven for many years by Dougy Thompson from Selside used to bring in one load of timber every day,Mon to Fri,from Liverpool.Barkers were also timber fellers and merchants of local woodlands.They did expand into general haulage at the time of de-licencing,their main haulage customer was,of course,Bowater Scott,and IIRC,their main delivery area was Scotland where they reloaded Potatoes for the south.They also hauled long lengths of sawn timber up to the west coast of Scotland for harbour walls etc.Nick names for Barkers IIRC were “Wood Choppers” and “The Adams Family” !! Cheers Dennis.
Years ago (aged 19) I bought a Bedford CF pick up, I used to visit sawmills to collect offcuts and saw dust, the offcuts I sold as firewood the saw dust I sold elsewhere, I knew of every saw mill in the county including H Barker, there was another Barker with a saw mill near Ulverston they must have been part of the same family. H Barker also used to haul into Thames Board Workington whether this was via Robsons I do not know.
I never ever came across AW Jenkinsons however, eventually I stopped doing this went I went to University (Polytechnic in those days) in Newcastle Upon Tyne to study accountancy and finance, I often wondered if I stuck at it would I have had a business today like AW Jenkinson! that I’ll never know. I knew JL Huddart from Cockermouth who had a similar business.
Regarding fuels, there was a man form Cockermouth who had a fuel business and a haulage fleet (nothing spectacular) by all accounts however he was very successful, I believe that he became the Chairman of Jennings Brewery. I remember a huge fuel company based in Barrow In Furness I forget their name however I do remember that they became part of AAH, I also remember Thos W. Ward a huge scrap metal merchant having a depot in Barrow In Furness.
Was it E Holmes coal merchants.
Steve.It could have been Steve, I remember them being quite a large companion.
They had red Ford D series motors.
Steve.
georgeking:
Bewick:
So what you are saying “george” is that you were there and “in” at the start and could have been a nationwide leader in forrest products,dwarfing the AWJ operation by now !! Thos Ward were large ship breakers and scrap buyers/dealers and they were,when in operation in Barrow,customers of Bradys.While we’er on about missed opertunites,we were one of the first users of Vodaphone cell phones and I re-call been touted by them to invest!I didn’t unfortunately,but a few years later I calculated that if I’d “chanced my arm” for £10’000 at the “get go” that stake was worth,at one time,£1 million.Wether I’d have sold at “the top” or stuck with them as they sunk,I’ll never know !! Cheers Dennis.Alas I spend a lot of time asking what if! I am also very thankful that I never became an haulier.
On a lighter note I found these on facebook, do not know who they belong to so I can’t ask permission in advance about posting them, so I hope no one minds. Look at these crackers?
A lad called Andy burrows took the pictures he’s from dalton.
Steve.
Hi “geogreking”,
It looks like I have ruffled a few of your feathers. 
O.K., you chose an easier ( indoor) type of career, and you proudly say you`ve made good money.
I have yet to meet an accountant who suffered any financial business loss. After all , your job is to know the financial affairs of your clients , then claim your stake. Your clients are obliged to pay for your services, of course.
I meant no malice to ■■■■■■■■ Gill when I quoted his name earlier today. He has toned down his questions, and is now acting with respect towards others. I, among many others on TNUK, have helped him by supplying him with details and requested photographs. I shall continue to provide him with the relevant details and photographs when neccessary.
You will probably remember that I have supplied yourself with a great amount of details when you personally asked me about a certain haulage company. Your reciprocation, today , is shown as a put-down to me in your reply to my “memo” to yourself.
I was merely wondering as to why you decided on a different career from what you knew when as a teenager.
As I was unaware of your stress , then I sympathise with you. I, too, suffered stress whilst in business , resulting in a stroke at only 36 years of age. I sincerely hope you avoid a stroke , and the aftermath of having to close a (family) business.
Perhaps its a good job that you did not decide to join the later-to-become band` of stress-related hauliers.
Regards, cattle wagon man.
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georgeking:
cattle wagon man:
Hi “geogreking”,
It looks like I have ruffled a few of your feathers.
O.K., you chose an easier ( indoor) type of career, and you proudly say you`ve made good money.I have yet to meet an accountant who suffered any financial business loss. After all , your job is to know the financial affairs of your clients , then claim your
stake. Your clients are obliged to pay for your services, of course.I meant no malice to ■■■■■■■■ Gill when I quoted his name earlier today. He has
toned downhis questions, and is now acting with respect towards others. I, among many others on TNUK, have helped him by supplying him with details and requested photographs. I shall continue to provide him with the relevant details and photographs when neccessary.You will probably remember that I have supplied yourself with a great amount of details when you personally asked me about a certain haulage company. Your reciprocation, today , is shown as a
put-downto me in your reply to my “memo” to yourself.I was merely wondering as to why you decided on a different career from what you knew when as a teenager.
As I was unaware of your stress , then I sympathise with you. I, too, suffered stress whilst in business , resulting in a stroke at only 36 years of age. I sincerely hope you avoid a stroke , and the aftermath of having to close a (family) business.
Perhaps it
s a good job that you did not decide to join the later-to-becomeband` of stress-related hauliers.Regards, cattle wagon man.
Your post and a prior very bizarre PM has left me very baffled indeed, has we got on so well in the past, I am not too sure what I have done to upset you? I think when I had a go at ■■■■■■■■ Gill quoting Fletchertown you were not happy, I’m sorry to have upset you but I felt that I needed to say that to him, I hope you were not offended by me talking about Alfie Parker!
You mention easier indoor type of a career, believe me there is nothing easier about what I do it is incredibly stressful. The amount of stress I am going through at the moment is unreal and your PM at the time, well talk about kicking a man when they are down!
For your information when I left school I spent a year doing hard physical work at Workington steelworks, I have also worked on the factory floor, worked on farms, I have even worked in the bars of Newcastle Upon Tynes’s Bigg Market, I even had a stint washing dishes in an hotel in Coniston oh yes I have done all of the tough nasty manual jobs, before, in between and after attending College and the University (Polytechnic). For whats it’s worth I was also taught how to rope and sheet a lorry as a teenager, I have no interest in roping and sheeting whatever so ever, but I have done it on numerous occasions. OK I studied very hard and tried to better myself, to educate myself if people have a problem with that then it’s their problem, guess what it was worth it.
Yes I accept I am annoying asking too many questions, but other posters having annoying querks, Dennis for example when he posts Bewick photos on threads about other hauliers, hey but who really cares this is only a god forsaken forum and each to their own, I get a lot of pleasure and relaxation from it and from facebook. Both you and Dennis promised never to reveal what I did for a living privately to me, however the revelation of my professional has caused me distress I would have preferred promises being kept!
You mention a career in haulage, like I have mentioned many times I would not recommend this industry to anyone today, it is a terrible industry highly regulated, very competitive, high capital outlay and no barriers to entry nope todays haulage is one hell of a dog, the only way I would recommend entering it is via the back door at the bottom of the cycle rather like what Andrew Tinkler did. You will never get haulage of my heart, however my brain thinks differently. I have done a lot of business in the scrap metal industry, I know a lot about the scrap metal business. One guy I knew used to laugh at the silly quotes he got from hauliers to haul his metal! By the way most scrap metal merchants I have dealt with across the UK prefer to use one haulier.
Sometimes you can get brilliant successes in haulage like the one we have talked about privately, but they are few and far between. I would however love to have had a stint working in a transport office, arranging loads etc. Like I said I am going through hell at the moment and could do without the attacks either on here on via PM. OK.
Stress is relative. What one person considers to be stressful another considers relaxation.
I remember a year or two ago when I was standing waiting to be served in a post office, and a lady in front telling everyone what a stressful life she had. I asked her what she did for a living. ‘A school teacher was her reply’, Well because of when my birthday falls I went to school until I was almost 19 (taking my A levels) and have come across umpteen teachers, some good some not so good and some bad and I was qualified to give my reply. ‘Stress you don’t know what stress is. We all know what schoolteachers do, and you haven’t a clue what goes on in real life’.
Before I left school I had an appointment with my career’s master who said to me. ‘I know what you will do’. I thought ‘He’s cleaver as I don’t’ you will go to university and study accountancy. What he didn’t know was that all I wanted to do was go into our haulage business. It was my one and only interest and had been so before I was seven years old. My parents wanted me to take a profession, like accountancy, but at the time I couldn’t think of anything more boring. As it happens a few months after this dad went into hospital with a heart attack and I had to step in until he recovered and then we worked together.
After W.H. Williams (Haulage) Ltd went down in 1986 after 20 years in the haulage trade, where at its peak we had 250 employees and employed a full time qualified accountant. I studied and qualified as an accountant and opened my own practice. Sure there was some stress, all businesses have, but not a millionth that I had in haulage. Unfortunately I have developed vascular dementia and I blame that on my haulage days when I think I burnt my brain out.
Banks want 5 year business plans and cash flows. In haulage as any true haulier knows they are a load of rubbish. When a depression comes along as it did mid-eighties, it is impossible to plan for as even large blue chip companies (We worked for two of UK’s largest manufacturers in those days as well as many smaller ones) are caught unaware. Like many on here will have experienced I lay awake counting the money due to come in by a certain time of month to cover the fuel bill and subtracted what was due out and tried to work out what I could move about to balance my figures. Then as many will have we had what I would consider unfair competition from those who would try to cut and take our work to try desperately to prop up their business, and try to survive till they inevitably went down. Finally fighting the unions who rightly were trying to get higher wages for their staff in a falling market. Finally no one can imagine the stress you experience when the Metropolitan police ring to say you have a vehicle broken down in Leicester Square and you are bringing traffic to a standstill in central London etc.
But even taking all this in mind if haulage is in your blood you miss it so much and long for the stress once it no longer is there. That’s why so many of us are on here reliving our past.
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Having read these “bleeding heart” posts on this thread I am begining to think there may be an opening to launch an “Agony Aunt” thread on the TN site ! Anyone got any views or ideas ? I don’t mind being the conduit for the weeping and wailing,I was quite used to it as an employer for many years !! Stock response “Pull yourself to-gether you soft ■■■■ and get on with it” Cheers Dennis.
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georgeking:
Bewick:
Having read these “bleeding heart” posts on this thread I am begining to think there may be an opening to launch an “Agony Aunt” thread on the TN site ! Anyone got any views or ideas ? I don’t mind being the conduit for the weeping and wailing,I was quite used to it as an employer for many years !! Stock response “Pull yourself to-gether you soft [zb] and get on with it” Cheers Dennis.Totally agree with you Dennis.
I was saddened to read about this.
Ballet star shows off charity portraits | Bucks Free Press
I agree george. That is very sad.
Kindest regards
CG
georgeking:
Bewick:
Having read these “bleeding heart” posts on this thread I am begining to think there may be an opening to launch an “Agony Aunt” thread on the TN site ! Anyone got any views or ideas ? I don’t mind being the conduit for the weeping and wailing,I was quite used to it as an employer for many years !! Stock response “Pull yourself to-gether you soft [zb] and get on with it” Cheers Dennis.Totally agree with you Dennis.
I was saddened to read about this.
Ballet star shows off charity portraits | Bucks Free Press
With all due respect for that poor lad,it was an Agony Aunt thread I was suggesting not a Samaritans thread ! Cheers Dennis.
PX55 EVN
Scania R 6 x 2
Jim Carruthers, Aspatria
Photo taken in Carlisle in May 2012
Sorry its a bit small
Kindest regards
CG
georgeking:
oiltreader kindly posted this on another thread, Lawson’s Foden Mountain Destroyer.
its on fletchers fair now
