You can’t turn right if you join a 2 lane roundabout in the left hand lane unless its signed or marked on the road, surely this is basic Highway Code?
Granted, it should be signed that you can turn right on that roundabout in the left hand lane & right only in the right hand lane.
All the traffic leaving the m5 south is going to be turning right on to the m50 but if something exits the services and wants to rejoin the m5 south after merging to the right hand lane of the approach to that roundabout you’d be blocking them in. It’s a 2 lane approach and a 2 lane exit on all exits.
Even if he thought it was cool to join the m50 from the left hand lane approach to that roundabout, he should’ve hung back to let me merge left for my exit after the m5 south exit.
Regardless of the road positioning and signing aspect trying to undertake an artic in an artic on that roundabout is douchebagery of the highest order in my opinion, I wouldn’t mind if he’d of been empty or in a car as he’d of done it clean but we were paralleling all the way round and I would have been left hanging in the outside lane of the m50
While this guy undertakes me like an asthmatic tortoise blocking both lanes of the m50 unless I take the high road and back off which I do 9 times out of 10, read my signature, I’m the guy who slows down when you try a slow overtake so you’re not blocking lane 2. He was limited slightly higher than me and overtook me after the road works to which I slowed to 50 to let him past.
Ive used that roundabout 200 times odd and its the first time i’ve seem a truck use the left lane to go right.
You can’t turn right if you join a 2 lane roundabout in the left hand lane unless its signed or marked on the road, surely this is basic Highway Code?
Granted, it should be signed that you can turn right on that roundabout in the left hand lane & right only in the right hand lane.
All the traffic leaving the m5 south is going to be turning right on to the m50 but if something exits the services and wants to rejoin the m5 south after merging to the right hand lane of the approach to that roundabout you’d be blocking them in. It’s a 2 lane approach and a 2 lane exit on all exits.
Even if he thought it was cool to join the m50 from the left hand lane approach to that roundabout, he should’ve hung back to let me merge left for my exit after the m5 south exit.
Regardless of the road positioning and signing aspect trying to undertake an artic in an artic on that roundabout is douchebagery of the highest order in my opinion, I wouldn’t mind if he’d of been empty or in a car as he’d of done it clean but we were paralleling all the way round and I would have been left hanging in the outside lane of the m50
While this guy undertakes me like an asthmatic tortoise blocking both lanes of the m50 unless I take the high road and back off which I do 9 times out of 10, read my signature, I’m the guy who slows down when you try a slow overtake so you’re not blocking lane 2. He was limited slightly higher than me and overtook me after the road works to which I slowed to 50 to let him past.
Ive used that roundabout 200 times odd and its the first time i’ve seem a truck use the left lane to go right.
I’m amazed so many think this is cricket.
Never used that roundabout, but I would have held back behind you whether I’d been empty or heavy, then let you in as you came off the roundabout. Whether I was limited faster or slower than you doesn’t matter, we can sort that out on the straight.
Douchebag is the correct term for this Wagon Racing Numpty !
(same as the Douchebag who just flew past me on the bend that exits the A1 to St Neots/from the Black Cat, I was taking it steady in the wet, he looked like he was on the limiter at 56)
These are the same Douchebag Numptys who grace our radios every morning with roll overs & big accidents, closing the roads for hours on end !
Silver_Surfer:
You can’t turn right if you join a 2 lane roundabout in the left hand lane unless its signed or marked on the road, surely this is basic Highway Code?
Yes you can and that is in the HC - drivers of large vehicles may take a different route
Not only that but you pointed out that the lanes are unmarked so that means any lane may be used by law
I often did the right turn from M5s to M50s and have used both lanes depending on the situation at the time
If using lane 2 then my first plan is to exit in lane 2 with an option to use lane 1 to exit if clear and safe to do so
Silver_Surfer:
You can’t turn right if you join a 2 lane roundabout in the left hand lane unless its signed or marked on the road, surely this is basic Highway Code?
Yes you can and that is in the HC - drivers of large vehicles may take a different route
Not only that but you pointed out that the lanes are unmarked so that means any lane may be used by law
I often did the right turn from M5s to M50s and have used both lanes depending on the situation at the time
If using lane 2 then my first plan is to exit in lane 2 with an option to use lane 1 to exit if clear and safe to do so
Yes if i come down the slip road from the services and am turning right onto the M50 its often better for everyone if i simply stay in the left hand lane and indicate right, if traffic is light i will get over to the right hand lane.
Where i differ from the geezer our OP encountered is that i don’t interrupt anyone in another large or ■■■■■■■■■■ vehicle beside in the right hand lane.
If our OP was loaded for example and i was empty i would have shot off and been away and the loaded lorry can then take the best line to straighten the bends as much as possible.
If we were both loaded i would have set off gently and held back allowing the other lorry to get over into the best exit lane (the inside) asap.
As i said above its common courtesy, and sadly lacking these days behind the wheels of lorries, yes in many cases its strictly OK in theory what the other lorry did, but in lorry driver circles this would not have happened years ago and one would have given way to the other…which would have resulted in both lorries leaving the junction at higher speed due to straightening out the exit.
would agree with that statement in general but the problem is that the truck behind then senses you slowing down and pulls out to overtake…back to square one. Do you then accelerate to your previous speed after the first truck has past, and leave the second truck hung out to dry, or continually keep reducing speed.
If you are being overtaken and there’s nowt behind, take a click or two off and make everyone’s day a little easier!
You can’t turn right if you join a 2 lane roundabout in the left hand lane unless its signed or marked on the road, surely this is basic Highway Code?
Granted, it should be signed that you can turn right on that roundabout in the left hand lane & right only in the right hand lane.
All the traffic leaving the m5 south is going to be turning right on to the m50 but if something exits the services and wants to rejoin the m5 south after merging to the right hand lane of the approach to that roundabout you’d be blocking them in. It’s a 2 lane approach and a 2 lane exit on all exits.
Why would you go into the right lane out of the services to go straight onto the M5 South? You’d stay left unless you was a complete donkey, in which case you’re going to find trouble everywhere you go.
Silver_Surfer:
Even if he thought it was cool to join the m50 from the left hand lane approach to that roundabout, he should’ve hung back to let me merge left for my exit after the m5 south exit.
WHY??
Follow the lane, it doesn’t corkscrew or anything, so if you want to cross the lines, you give way to whatever is the other side of the lines, not bloody rocket science.
You chose the outside lane, so stay in the right lane round the roundabout, join the M50 in the right lane and you’d find he’ll hang back to let you move left, but not on the roundabout where he’s got enough to concentrate on without wondering what that other muppet who can’t drive is going to do
Silver_Surfer:
Regardless of the road positioning and signing aspect trying to undertake an artic in an artic on that roundabout is douchebagery of the highest order in my opinion, I wouldn’t mind if he’d of been empty or in a car as he’d of done it clean but we were paralleling all the way round and I would have been left hanging in the outside lane of the m50
While this guy undertakes me like an asthmatic tortoise blocking both lanes of the m50 unless I take the high road and back off which I do 9 times out of 10, read my signature, I’m the guy who slows down when you try a slow overtake so you’re not blocking lane 2. He was limited slightly higher than me and overtook me after the road works to which I slowed to 50 to let him past.
Ive used that roundabout 200 times odd and its the first time i’ve seem a truck use the left lane to go right.
I’m amazed so many think this is cricket.
I agree, it’s wrong to undertake someone in that instance, but to use the lane isn’t wrong.
matamoros:
would agree with that statement in general but the problem is that the truck behind then senses you slowing down and pulls out to overtake…back to square one. Do you then accelerate to your previous speed after the first truck has past, and leave the second truck hung out to dry, or continually keep reducing speed.
If you are being overtaken and there’s nowt behind, take a click or two off and make everyone’s day a little easier!
Generally we’d all try hopefully to stich ourselves in zip fashion, usually better for everyone.
Its all being undone unfortunately by the me first breed, pity.
I could have dealt if he’d of come out of the services and stayed in the left lane to go m50 fair enough, like I say he exited the m5 behind me, I stayed right, he went left to large it on the inside lane to try and undertake me. Not cool, even if legal.
I stand corrected if you can stay in the left lane when going right at a roundabout, that just seems daft to me but there you go.
On this roundabout that is what should happen I agree, for heavies to stay left & right lane for right turn only but I thought it had to be specifically signed & or marked on the road and you’ll still get car muppets trying to exit down the m5 south in the right hand lane with you are in the left lane going right.
Agreed, you wouldn’t normally exit the services and go right lane for straight on but I thought this was allowed.
Might be legal, but I can’t really condone the practise of going side by side with another wagon on the inside whilst both are going for the same exit. By doing so you are making life more difficult for yourself, as well as the other driver who up until you came along was having a nice easy time of it. It also puts you in a situation where you are completely dependant on the other driver keeping lane discipline, otherwise it’s curtains.
Just bad driving imo. Car driver behaviour. Just ease off and let the wagon who was at the roundabout first exit safetly, then overtake.
What the flour tanker driver did was wholly unnecessary imo and sums up the standard of many HGV drivers out there.
So the gist I’m getting from all these comments is that beens you can stay in the left lane of said roundabout and go down the M50 then on the flip side of the coin i can use the outside lane to head down the M5 s/b as some posters have said there are no lane markings to say otherwise.
Am I correct?,probably not looking at some of the postings on here,courtesy to other professionals is dead in this country,I was always told that the right lane is for turning right not the left lane unless clearly marked otherwise.
I’ve been cut up like you silver surfer on that island countless times and now I can see why after reading the comments on here,respect and proffessionalism have disappeared,no wonder a lot of the general public think we’re ■■■■■■■■■ when they see wacky race driving like this example.
I think any driver,car,van or truck who undertakes another vehicle on an island like this are just inconsiderate a’holes!
Agree with Rob’s last comment totally.
jase:
So the gist I’m getting from all these comments is that beens you can stay in the left lane of said roundabout and go down the M50 then on the flip side of the coin i can use the outside lane to head down the M5 s/b as some posters have said there are no lane markings to say otherwise.
Am I correct?,probably not looking at some of the postings on here,courtesy to other professionals is dead in this country,I was always told that the right lane is for turning right not the left lane unless clearly marked otherwise.
I’ve been cut up like you silver surfer on that island countless times and now I can see why after reading the comments on here,respect and proffessionalism have disappeared,no wonder a lot of the general public think we’re [zb] when they see wacky race driving like this example.
I think any driver,car,van or truck who undertakes another vehicle on an island like this are just inconsiderate a’holes!
Agree with Rob’s last comment totally.
There’s a difference between using the left lane to turn right and undertaking.
As I pointed out, I choose to use the left lane there to go right because I drive slow, I go slow round roundabouts and I build my speed up slowly too, so why would I want to use the right lane and get in everybody’s way when the left lane is perfectly acceptable on that roundabout.
There’s 2 places to go on that roundabout, M5(s) or M50, unless you’ve come out of the services, you’d be either rejoining the motorway you’d left or going M50 - so a fair assumption that you’d be going M50.
If you’re going M5(s) or have come out of the services, you’d use the left lane anyway.
As I said, the only time it’s an issue is when ego’s get involved, this tanker driver obviously had an issue - little willy most likely - if he felt that he needed to undertake on that roundabout, but in the same respect, if the OP was going so slow that a tanker could undertake him, why not use the left lane? Then the tanker if he’s in such a rush can overtake him in the right lane.
I agree that a lot of driving standards and courtesy has gone, you can see my opinion on this in previous posts.
Silver_Surfer:
You can’t turn right if you join a 2 lane roundabout in the left hand lane unless its signed or marked on the road, surely this is basic Highway Code?
Yes you can and that is in the HC - drivers of large vehicles may take a different route
That rule is for situations where the truck MAY need to position himself in the “wrong” lane in order to manoeuvre round the roundabout, NOT free reign to use any lane they feel like.
Not only that but you pointed out that the lanes are unmarked so that means any lane may be used by law
Don’t talk rubbish. Show me the legislation that states that.
I often did the right turn from M5s to M50s and have used both lanes depending on the situation at the time
As a former LGV driving instructor you should really know better, but clearly you don’t. If you were on your test and turned right onto the M50 from the nearside lane you’d fail.
Personally I don’t think SS did anything wrong. Approaching the roundabout in the right hand lane to turn right is exactly what the HC states you should do if there are no signs or road markings to indicate otherwise. However, given that 99% of the traffic turns right onto the M50 and there are 2 lanes entering, during and exiting the roundabout, I personally approach in the left lane with my right indicator on and stay in the left lane all the way round. I certainly wouldn’t try to race/undertake another vehicle, especially a truck.
It’s a matter of using the road to your advantage, if you are going into the roundabout with intention of taking the right exit or ‘quater past’ and think you may have problems you need to position your truck in a way thay part of it is in both lanes and preventing any other vehicle from comming alongside you, ie; longer that usual for the roundabout to stay in one lane, car drivers will curse you because they have no idea what it is like to negotiate bends with an artic, any truck driver with an ounce of sense will just hold back and respect your actions (ususlly tipper drivers and container haulers won’t).
I very much remember the roundabout at the top of the M50 and you can use either lane to enter it, if you intend to go further round it you must be in the right lane, or as I just sugested, straddle the lanes to keep them clear.
I freely admit sometimes I drive like a prick. If I drive like a prick, I’ll hold my hand up and say so, no problem. I’ve very little ego and usually let the I’m more important than you brigade get on with it. I did say the thread was boring at the beginning but was so ■■■■■■ off, I decided to post & vent to make myself feel better as talking to yourself just doesn’t cut it sometimes.
I’ve been posting on here for years and I think this is the first time I’ve complained about another drivers behaviour. I’ve used my horn on the truck or car once in anger in the past 5 years odd & that was when some one was about to crash head on with me on the wrong side of the road.
This incident just really boiled my blood, some of the people who used to work for me gave me the nickname “laidback”
So that should point to my usual driving style.
Try straddling both lanes all the way down that slip road in an artic and you’d be shot at Pat.
Silver_Surfer:
Try straddling both lanes all the way down that slip road in an artic and you’d be shot at Pat.
Don’t see how you could straddle it unless you had an 18’ wide load on anyway, its easily wide enough at the entrance to the roundabout for 3 wide lanes.
Where’s Stanley Baker…no not Baxter…when you need him.
Someone said we should have kept our lanes on to the m50 then he’d of let me in, yeah right!!!
Probably one of those chaps who leaves you hanging after you’ve moved to lane 2 to let him on the motorway.
What if he decided he wanted to get back on the m5 north as I wanted the m50? I’m in the wrong and have to go round again…
Rob agrees with me & that’s enough for me so there you go. Like he says would you fail your test if getting on the m50 from the left lane on that slip, my money bets on yes.
I used to do the same as you Silver Surfer and stick in the r/h lane there and get left hanging out to dry by people “undertaking” me, but then I reasoned that their actions were no different to mine when coming south down the A1 to go onto the M18 south where it was the accepted norm to use both lanes to go onto the M18. I realise that they have now changed the road layout so that is now acceptable. My point is that it was ok there but not at the M50 r/about for some reason.
Maybe it’s just a case of “monkey see, monkey do” and once lots of folk use both lanes to turn right there as the norm the authorities will get around to painting markings to reflect this.
