This part of the HA discussion has had a new post started HERE
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Ski:
bikemonkey:
FFS,it was a tragic accident that happened BANG quick as a flash,nobody upto the final seconds of impact was aware of what was gonna happen it was just a normal Monday night…nobody plans these things they just happenAnd while attitudes like this exist, people will keep getting killed on our roads.
No, it was not a tragic ‘accident’.
No, these things don’t ‘just happen’.
I don’t give a fig whether the person to blame was pedestrian, cyclist, car, van or truck driver, or what their nationality happens to be.
The fact is there are too many idiots on the roads that think it’s fine to do all sorts of things while driving except actually concentrate on their driving.
While there are people like you happy to make excuses for these imbeciles, then nothing will change. People will keep getting killed.
I don’t post much on here - because I don’t want to be associated with comments like yours. I gave up driving for a living because I don’t want to be associated with the appalling standards that are far to prevalent in this industry today.
Now I’m not judging the cause of the particular accident that started this thread, the driver currently under arrest and according to tonight’s still being questioned is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law - but to say that these are accidents that just happen is just plain stupid.
well said
Very sad news
having read this post, and also i passed the accident spot approx 15 mins before it happened i counted 8ks of standing traffic from J17…
Also i notice the usual HGV rolling road blocks in lanes 2 and 3!
why oh why do fellow truckers deciced to stop faster moving traffic merging in front of you?
very sad news for every one… but remember that the portugese driver will have to live with it for rest of his life…for most of us it will be yesterdays news 
andy187:
but remember that the portugese driver will have to live with it for rest of his life…for most of us it will be yesterdays news
I know its banging the same drum again but I hope he does. I know that if i was in his position i would never get behind the wheel of a truck again weather my licence was revoked or not.
A very sad ACCIDENT i.m sure the driver concerned did’nt ever in his worst nightmares ever think this could happen to him. Maybe we should all stop and think what a momentary loss of concentration can do.
This could happen to any one of us god forbid it ever does.
aidey:
A very sad ACCIDENT i.m sure the driver concerned did’nt ever in his worst nightmares ever think this could happen to him.
And there in lies the root cause of this type of crash - people don’t think or just don’t care about the consequences of their actions…
Maybe we should all stop and think what a momentary loss of concentration can do.
Maybe we should all tape a picture of the family killed in this incident to our mobile phone, laptop, tv, newspaper, cb radio every time we start driving - although if anyone is in any doubt as to the possible outcome of a ‘momentary loss of concentration’ when driving a 40 ton artic at 90kph down a motorway then I would suggest that they change career!
This could happen to any one of us god forbid it ever does.
If you are suggesting that we could all end up killing people by loosing concentration then I really am worried - these things don’t just happen, they are caused, remove the ‘cause’ then it won’t happen! The day after this accident I travelled up the M1 as a passenger - the number of drivers that were on the phone, reading maps, taking notes while driving was unbelievable - drivers of all types of vehicles, not just lorries.
However we could all have been that innocent family sat in our car at the end of a queue of traffic, with one of these idiots behind us…
I’m glad ski travels as a passenger as he is more bothered about what everyone else is doing.
While at the same time he assumes he is so perfect.
An armchair trucker no doubt.
remove the cause?
just remove the driver then.
no ones perfect. humans make mistakes. Look around you!!!
aidey:
A very sad ACCIDENT i.m sure the driver concerned did’nt ever in his worst nightmares ever think this could happen to him. Maybe we should all stop and think what a momentary loss of concentration can do.
This could happen to any one of us god forbid it ever does.
Hold that thought 
Shouldn’t we be THINKING about that ALL the time whilst driving 
limeyphil:
I’m glad ski travels as a passenger as he is more bothered about what everyone else is doing.
While at the same time he assumes he is so perfect.
An armchair trucker no doubt.
Oh dear, too many assumptions.
I travelled as a passenger on that occasion.
I never assumed to be so perfect.
An armchair trucker - now your just resorting to the standard level of abuse when someone disagrees with your point of view!
Criticise the argument, not the person - otherwise YOU loose all credibility.
Ski,
When you are sat as a passenger critising others, You will no doubt be showing the driver what you have seen, therefore distracting him.
Can you see my point?
Now if you do the same as a driver, Then you are not concentrating on your own driving and become a danger to others.
limeyphil:
Ski,
When you are sat as a passenger critising others, You will no doubt be showing the driver what you have seen, therefore distracting him.
Can you see my point?
Oh dear, you’re making assumptions again - can you not see this!
limeyphil:
Now if you do the same as a driver, Then you are not concentrating on your own driving and become a danger to others.
Leaving aside the assumptions, my record speaks for itself - if you’re interested a 20 year driving career, over 15 of those on class1 European work and a conservative estimate of between 1.5 and 2 million kms - ACCIDENT FREE.
I’m not special, just a courteous driver that took pride in being a professional driver and maintained those standards that are so clearly lacking, judging by the number of people getting killed on our roads by drivers that don’t think of the consequences of taking a phone call, watching a film on their laptop, trying to reprogram a sat-nav or taking photo’s when they are supposed to concentrating fully on the road ahead of them.
There can be only two reasons for a vehicle driving driving into the back of stationary traffic on a motorway. One is mechanical failure leading to the loss of the braking system - I’ll await the results of the trial of the Portuguese driver involved to see if this was the case in the tragic incident that started this thread.
Oh so your mr perfect are you ski never lost concentration while driving
well when you get your medal or your blue peter badge be sure to put a picture on here for all us lesser mortals to see.
Oh and by the way i done 25yrs only had 1 accident which was not my fault as i was stationary at the time.
But i could’nt claim to have never lost concentration.
aidey:
Oh so your mr perfect are you ski never lost concentration while driving
I really worry about the standard of debate sometimes. Perhaps you could be so kind as point to a post where I have claimed never to have lost concentration while driving…
Like I keep saying, still to the facts - not assumptions!
Maybe we should all tape a picture of the family killed in this incident to our mobile phone, laptop, tv, newspaper, cb radio every time we start driving - although if anyone is in any doubt as to the possible outcome of a ‘momentary loss of concentration’ when driving a 40 ton artic at 90kph down a motorway then I would suggest that they change career!
That would suggest to me that you think your to good to have had one.
Although i doubt you are as so full of self importance i would think you’ve had several while congratulating yourself on how good a driver you are.
Come on now, attack the argument not the person…!!!
I’ve don’t and have never claimed to be anything special - I’m not. I don’t and never have or will claim to be anything other than a reasonable driver.
You’re once again making assumptions about what I think about myself. Well, now I’ve spelled it out for you and limeyphil, perhaps we can move back to the original discussion?
put your frikkin handbags down!
R.I.P
what a tragic loss to a decent family,i know this may come across as a bit strange but at least they all went together as a loving familoy unit.
Deleted as it’s in the wrong place.
ROG:
Koop:
The “Highways agency” must have known about standing traffic. So why ain’t they at the back warning the oncoming drivers?Some police traffic drivers used to do this and they would keep reversing on the hard shoulder so they were always at the back of the queue - why is this practice not done now
edited as it’s in the wrong place and Biffo answered it anyway