Dave the Renegade:
If you go into transport operating or management you will be expected to know all the costings etc.
I can’t even get a job in transport driving let alone operations or management lol
Pimpdaddy:
Dave the Renegade:
If you go into transport operating or management you will be expected to know all the costings etc.I can’t even get a job in transport driving let alone operations or management lol
Tough, just try harder.
Dave you need to get a life mate !
comet:
Dave you need to get a life mate !
Got a life, been a TM for years, also been a HGV driver.
Dave the Renegade:
comet:
Dave you need to get a life mate !
Got a life, been a TM for years, also been a HGV driver.[/quote
If your an ex driver and a ™ you should be at the top of your game !
comet:
Dave the Renegade:
comet:
Dave you need to get a life mate !Got a life, been a TM for years, also been a HGV driver.
[/quoteIf your an ex driver and a ™ you should be at the top of your game !
Been there done that, got property and vehicles, also still a company director. Aged 68.
Dave the Renegade:
comet:
Dave the Renegade:
comet:
Dave you need to get a life mate !Got a life, been a TM for years, also been a HGV driver.
[/quoteIf your an ex driver and a ™ you should be at the top of your game !
Been there done that, got property and vehicles, also still a company director. Aged 68.
Iv’e got some leggo and meccano does that count 
aged 78 yes i remember steam wagons !
]
Dave the Renegade:
comet:
Dave the Renegade:
comet:
Dave you need to get a life mate !Got a life, been a TM for years, also been a HGV driver.
[/quoteIf your an ex driver and a ™ you should be at the top of your game !
Been there done that, got property and vehicles, also still a company director. Aged 68.
Iv’e got some leggo and meccano does that count
[/quote]
I’ve got a couple of spirit levels, but they won’t make me money. 
Dave the Renegade:
comet:
Dave the Renegade:
comet:
Dave you need to get a life mate !Got a life, been a TM for years, also been a HGV driver.
[/quoteIf your an ex driver and a ™ you should be at the top of your game !
Been there done that, got property and vehicles, also still a company director. Aged 68.
You’re too old to be working.
By the sounds of it you’re loaded.
Pass it onto someone else, relax and enjoy the rest of your life.
Stop this working malarkey ■■■■■■■■.
Very interesting post Dave the Renegade. Very few people know how to fully cost their business, so what hope have drivers. It’s easy enough when things are going well but when things get tough you really have to know every little detail and keep on top of it.
Lorry tyres look cheap, the smaller ones (front) for our Masseys are £500ea but both have to be replaced at the same time 
contractdriver:
If the hourly rate was increased by £5 more per hour more than what each of us a being paid now, there would be no driver shortage!.. but how could they pay it?
If they increased it by £5 p/h I’d be on £16.03 p/h 
Evil8Beezle:
Pimpdaddy:
Juddian:
Alternatively there’s loads of vacancies on the car transporters, and you can earn £50k there, but by Christ you’ll earn every penny and then some.If you can get your foot in…
Right, I’ve held my tongue long enough, and I can’t take no more…
(Yes, terrible grammar!)
Pimpdaddy - Stop being a sodding bellend!!!
Everything you say is a ■■■■■ and a moan, with a negative slant or opinion on everything before the context of some things even been formed…
You whine that you can’t get your foot in the door of a good gig, yet you are unable to see that your general attitude is not conduce to getting one! You simply can’t grasp that no one is going to recommend someone who ■■■■■■■ and whines all the time to a potential employer, as your performance & attitude will reflect upon the person who recommended you! 2+2=?So look back at your post history and consider if you portray yourself as an attractive employee■■?
Rant over, for now…
I made the same point the other day on another thread. Judging by some of the crap and negativety he continually posts on here it’s no wonder he can’t get a job. His attitude is clearly appalling and a big deterrent to potential employers.
Personally I think HGV drivers get paid too much money. If things go too far, they’ll be wanting to buy their own homes, drive decent cars and have recognised food brands in their shopping baskets. 
Try looking at some of the non driving jobs in your own areas, where many agencies are paying minimum wage for working shifts, in very fast paced roles where you have to achieve strict targets every day. You’ll truly know what working poverty is then. 
Dave the Renegade:
Time for a reality check. How many hauliers are making millions. Most are running on big bank overdrafts and have a lot of finance around their neck. Lucky if they get a decent wage out of the business.
The tipper boys who cry loudest about rates around here always seem to find the cash for spotlights, typical Scania driver tat etc though.
Some even have the money to pay fines for fly tipping
Dave the Renegade:
Cost Centre – a department, depot or a single vehicle
Cost Unit – cost per load, per mile, per tonne, for example
Direct Costs – can be directly attributed to a cost centre, e.g. standing and running costs
Indirect Costs – cannot be directly attributed to a cost centre
Fixed Costs – costs that do not vary over a period of time, e.g. overheads
Variable Costs – costs that vary on the amount of use of a cost centreVehicle Utilisation
Before being able to work out a vehicle costing system, the vehicle utilisation must be calculated. Although the vehicle is available for work 365 days per year, in practice it will be for far less than that amount.
Example of annual utilisation:
Weekends – 104 days
Bank holidays – 8 days
Driver holiday – 15 days
Vehicle repairs – 10 days
Vehicle breakdowns (contingency) – 8 daysTotal days not working: 145 days
Annual utilisation 365 days – 145 days = 220 days
Vehicle Standing Costs (Direct Costs)
Depreciation spreads the initial cost of a vehicle over its expected working life. There are two main methods of calculating annual depreciation:
- Straight Line Method
Purchase price of the vehicle less cost of the tyres less re-sale value, divided by the number of years of the expected life of the vehicle.
- Reducing Balance Method
The initial cost of the vehicle less cost of the tyres is divided by a set percentage for each year of the expected life. Here’s an example:
Purchase price of the vehicle – £34,000 (less 6 tyres @ £250 each) = £32,500 to be depreciated at 20% per annum.
Cost of vehicle less tyres – £32,500
1st year @ 20%: £6,500
balance £26,000
2nd year @ 20%: £5,200
balance £20,800
3rd year @ 20%: £4,160
balance £16,640Licences
The road fund licence is an annual fixed cost which will depend upon the gross weight and number of axles on the vehicle.
The operator’s licence is a set annual fee for each vehicle authorised on the operator’s licence.
Insurance
The insurance premium will depend upon the operator’s no claims bonus, the type of operation and the experience of the drivers.
Wages
Must be paid whether the vehicle is working or not. Holiday and sick pay must be included, as well as National Insurance contributions, pensions, etc.
How to Work Out Annual Standing Costs:
Depreciation – £4,000
Vehicle Insurance – £2,500
Licences – £3,000
Driver’s wages – £17,500Annual Standing Costs: £27,000
Vehicle utilisation: 45 weeks, 5 day working week.
Weekly standing costs: £27,000 divided by 45 = £600 per week.
Daily standing costs: £600 divided by 5 = £120 per day.
Standing costs can also be expressed as pence per mile:
Annual Mileage 54,000 miles
Formula: cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile
Example: standing costs: £27,000, annual mileage: 54,000.
Calculation: £27,000 x 100/54,000 = 50 pence per mile
Vehicle Overheads
These costs must be allocated to an individual cost centre. Overheads can be allocated by the number of vehicles in the fleet, tonnage carried by the fleet or mileage run by the fleet.
Formula:
By number of vehicles: cost divided by number of vehicles
By tonnage carried: cost/total tonnage = cost per ton
By mileage run by fleet: cost x 100/total mileage = cost per mile
Example of overheads per tonnage:
An operator’s fleet consists of:
2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each = 40 tons
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each = 30 tons
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each = 20 tons
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each = 10 tons8 vehicles, total capacity: 100 tons
Business overheads are £8,000
Overheads based on carrying capacity of fleet is:
£8,000 divided by 100 tons = £80 per ton
Therefore:
2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each (£80 x 20) = £1600 per vehicle = £3200
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each (£80 x 15) = £1200 per vehicle = £2400
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each (£80 x 10) = £800 per vehicle = £1600
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each (£80 x 5) = £400 per vehicle = £ 800Total: = £8000
Example of overheads per mileage:
An operator has a fleet of 6 vehicles with an average annual mileage as follows:
3 vehicles averaging 40,000 miles each = 120,000 miles
2 vehicles averaging 50,000 miles each = 100,000 miles
1 vehicle averaging 80,000 miles = 80,000 milesTotal mileage: = 300,000 miles
If the total overheads of the business are £24,000, they may be allocated to each individual vehicle on a pence per mile basis.
Formula: Overheads x100/Total mileage of fleet = pence per mile
Example: 24,000 x 100/300,000 = 8 pence per mile
Vehicle averaging 40,000 miles (40,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £3,200
Vehicle averaging 50,000 miles (50,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £4,000
Vehicle averaging 80,000 miles (80,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £6,400These costs must be recovered in the number of days that the vehicle works.
Vehicle Running Costs
These include fuel, oil, tyres, repairs, etc. Running costs are expressed in pence per mile:
Formula: cost x 100 (change to pence)/mileage run = pence per mile
Fuel, oils and lubricants are the highest running costs and should therefore be monitored carefully. The estimated mileage life of a tyre is used to calculate a pence per mile figure for costing purposes, for example:
Estimated life of a particular tyre – 30,000 miles
A vehicle has 6 tyres @ £200 each – £1,200cost x100/mileage = pence per mile
Calculation:
1,200 x 100/30,000 = 4 pence per mile tyre costs
Detailed records of all repairs and maintenance must be kept and allocated to a particular cost centre (vehicle). The annual costs are divided by the annual mileage.
Cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile
By calculating the standing costs, overhead costs and running costs, an operator is able to analyse the cost of providing a service or charge out rate which can be calculated by one of the following methods:
Standing & overheads costs (daily rate) + running costs (pence per mile charge).
Overall pence per mile rate (all costs on a pence per mile basis).
Digest this lot Pimpdaddy.
Think you for good info.But i think this info reflect just small family running company or company who do local delivery.At big company will another figures per truck .Because You put 54000 per years but big company do 200000-300000 km every years.
And due high mileage big company grab and will be grab job and win new contract.Because small company job more expensive .May be just single truck company as well cheap where drivers -drive,do paperwork,do some maintenace and more.
Dave the Renegade:
Cost Centre – a department, depot or a single vehicle
Cost Unit – cost per load, per mile, per tonne, for example
Direct Costs – can be directly attributed to a cost centre, e.g. standing and running costs
Indirect Costs – cannot be directly attributed to a cost centre
Fixed Costs – costs that do not vary over a period of time, e.g. overheads
Variable Costs – costs that vary on the amount of use of a cost centreVehicle Utilisation
Before being able to work out a vehicle costing system, the vehicle utilisation must be calculated. Although the vehicle is available for work 365 days per year, in practice it will be for far less than that amount.
Example of annual utilisation:
Weekends – 104 days
Bank holidays – 8 days
Driver holiday – 15 days
Vehicle repairs – 10 days
Vehicle breakdowns (contingency) – 8 daysTotal days not working: 145 days
Annual utilisation 365 days – 145 days = 220 days
Vehicle Standing Costs (Direct Costs)
Depreciation spreads the initial cost of a vehicle over its expected working life. There are two main methods of calculating annual depreciation:
- Straight Line Method
Purchase price of the vehicle less cost of the tyres less re-sale value, divided by the number of years of the expected life of the vehicle.
- Reducing Balance Method
The initial cost of the vehicle less cost of the tyres is divided by a set percentage for each year of the expected life. Here’s an example:
Purchase price of the vehicle – £34,000 (less 6 tyres @ £250 each) = £32,500 to be depreciated at 20% per annum.
Cost of vehicle less tyres – £32,500
1st year @ 20%: £6,500
balance £26,000
2nd year @ 20%: £5,200
balance £20,800
3rd year @ 20%: £4,160
balance £16,640Licences
The road fund licence is an annual fixed cost which will depend upon the gross weight and number of axles on the vehicle.
The operator’s licence is a set annual fee for each vehicle authorised on the operator’s licence.
Insurance
The insurance premium will depend upon the operator’s no claims bonus, the type of operation and the experience of the drivers.
Wages
Must be paid whether the vehicle is working or not. Holiday and sick pay must be included, as well as National Insurance contributions, pensions, etc.
How to Work Out Annual Standing Costs:
Depreciation – £4,000
Vehicle Insurance – £2,500
Licences – £3,000
Driver’s wages – £17,500Annual Standing Costs: £27,000
Vehicle utilisation: 45 weeks, 5 day working week.
Weekly standing costs: £27,000 divided by 45 = £600 per week.
Daily standing costs: £600 divided by 5 = £120 per day.
Standing costs can also be expressed as pence per mile:
Annual Mileage 54,000 miles
Formula: cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile
Example: standing costs: £27,000, annual mileage: 54,000.
Calculation: £27,000 x 100/54,000 = 50 pence per mile
Vehicle Overheads
These costs must be allocated to an individual cost centre. Overheads can be allocated by the number of vehicles in the fleet, tonnage carried by the fleet or mileage run by the fleet.
Formula:
By number of vehicles: cost divided by number of vehicles
By tonnage carried: cost/total tonnage = cost per ton
By mileage run by fleet: cost x 100/total mileage = cost per mile
Example of overheads per tonnage:
An operator’s fleet consists of:
2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each = 40 tons
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each = 30 tons
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each = 20 tons
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each = 10 tons8 vehicles, total capacity: 100 tons
Business overheads are £8,000
Overheads based on carrying capacity of fleet is:
£8,000 divided by 100 tons = £80 per ton
Therefore:
2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each (£80 x 20) = £1600 per vehicle = £3200
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each (£80 x 15) = £1200 per vehicle = £2400
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each (£80 x 10) = £800 per vehicle = £1600
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each (£80 x 5) = £400 per vehicle = £ 800Total: = £8000
Example of overheads per mileage:
An operator has a fleet of 6 vehicles with an average annual mileage as follows:
3 vehicles averaging 40,000 miles each = 120,000 miles
2 vehicles averaging 50,000 miles each = 100,000 miles
1 vehicle averaging 80,000 miles = 80,000 milesTotal mileage: = 300,000 miles
If the total overheads of the business are £24,000, they may be allocated to each individual vehicle on a pence per mile basis.
Formula: Overheads x100/Total mileage of fleet = pence per mile
Example: 24,000 x 100/300,000 = 8 pence per mile
Vehicle averaging 40,000 miles (40,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £3,200
Vehicle averaging 50,000 miles (50,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £4,000
Vehicle averaging 80,000 miles (80,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £6,400These costs must be recovered in the number of days that the vehicle works.
Vehicle Running Costs
These include fuel, oil, tyres, repairs, etc. Running costs are expressed in pence per mile:
Formula: cost x 100 (change to pence)/mileage run = pence per mile
Fuel, oils and lubricants are the highest running costs and should therefore be monitored carefully. The estimated mileage life of a tyre is used to calculate a pence per mile figure for costing purposes, for example:
Estimated life of a particular tyre – 30,000 miles
A vehicle has 6 tyres @ £200 each – £1,200cost x100/mileage = pence per mile
Calculation:
1,200 x 100/30,000 = 4 pence per mile tyre costs
Detailed records of all repairs and maintenance must be kept and allocated to a particular cost centre (vehicle). The annual costs are divided by the annual mileage.
Cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile
By calculating the standing costs, overhead costs and running costs, an operator is able to analyse the cost of providing a service or charge out rate which can be calculated by one of the following methods:
Standing & overheads costs (daily rate) + running costs (pence per mile charge).
Overall pence per mile rate (all costs on a pence per mile basis).
Digest this lot Pimpdaddy.
Driver wage £17,500,any jobs going■■? 
sweepster:
comet:
Dave the Renegade:
comet:
Dave you need to get a life mate !Got a life, been a TM for years, also been a HGV driver.
[/quoteIf your an ex driver and a ™ you should be at the top of your game !
Been there done that, got property and vehicles, also still a company director. Aged 68.
You’re too old to be working.
By the sounds of it you’re loaded.
Pass it onto someone else, relax and enjoy the rest of your life.
Stop this working malarkey [zb].
[/quote]
Only work part-time. No law says that I have to stop work or otherwise. Not loaded at all, just looked after my money and not blown it like a lot of. others. Quite relaxed with a nice home and got my good lady and enjoy life thank you.
I’m on ■■■■-poor South west wages, but I’m home every night. Money isn’t everything after all.
Dave the Renegade:
Cost Centre – a department, depot or a single vehicle
Cost Unit – cost per load, per mile, per tonne, for example
Direct Costs – can be directly attributed to a cost centre, e.g. standing and running costs
Indirect Costs – cannot be directly attributed to a cost centre
Fixed Costs – costs that do not vary over a period of time, e.g. overheads
Variable Costs – costs that vary on the amount of use of a cost centreVehicle Utilisation
Before being able to work out a vehicle costing system, the vehicle utilisation must be calculated. Although the vehicle is available for work 365 days per year, in practice it will be for far less than that amount.
Example of annual utilisation:
Weekends – 104 days
Bank holidays – 8 days
Driver holiday – 15 days
Vehicle repairs – 10 days
Vehicle breakdowns (contingency) – 8 daysTotal days not working: 145 days
Annual utilisation 365 days – 145 days = 220 days
Vehicle Standing Costs (Direct Costs)
Depreciation spreads the initial cost of a vehicle over its expected working life. There are two main methods of calculating annual depreciation:
- Straight Line Method
Purchase price of the vehicle less cost of the tyres less re-sale value, divided by the number of years of the expected life of the vehicle.
- Reducing Balance Method
The initial cost of the vehicle less cost of the tyres is divided by a set percentage for each year of the expected life. Here’s an example:
Purchase price of the vehicle – £34,000 (less 6 tyres @ £250 each) = £32,500 to be depreciated at 20% per annum.
Cost of vehicle less tyres – £32,500
1st year @ 20%: £6,500
balance £26,000
2nd year @ 20%: £5,200
balance £20,800
3rd year @ 20%: £4,160
balance £16,640Licences
The road fund licence is an annual fixed cost which will depend upon the gross weight and number of axles on the vehicle.
The operator’s licence is a set annual fee for each vehicle authorised on the operator’s licence.
Insurance
The insurance premium will depend upon the operator’s no claims bonus, the type of operation and the experience of the drivers.
Wages
Must be paid whether the vehicle is working or not. Holiday and sick pay must be included, as well as National Insurance contributions, pensions, etc.
How to Work Out Annual Standing Costs:
Depreciation – £4,000
Vehicle Insurance – £2,500
Licences – £3,000
Driver’s wages – £17,500Annual Standing Costs: £27,000
Vehicle utilisation: 45 weeks, 5 day working week.
Weekly standing costs: £27,000 divided by 45 = £600 per week.
Daily standing costs: £600 divided by 5 = £120 per day.
Standing costs can also be expressed as pence per mile:
Annual Mileage 54,000 miles
Formula: cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile
Example: standing costs: £27,000, annual mileage: 54,000.
Calculation: £27,000 x 100/54,000 = 50 pence per mile
Vehicle Overheads
These costs must be allocated to an individual cost centre. Overheads can be allocated by the number of vehicles in the fleet, tonnage carried by the fleet or mileage run by the fleet.
Formula:
By number of vehicles: cost divided by number of vehicles
By tonnage carried: cost/total tonnage = cost per ton
By mileage run by fleet: cost x 100/total mileage = cost per mile
Example of overheads per tonnage:
An operator’s fleet consists of:
2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each = 40 tons
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each = 30 tons
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each = 20 tons
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each = 10 tons8 vehicles, total capacity: 100 tons
Business overheads are £8,000
Overheads based on carrying capacity of fleet is:
£8,000 divided by 100 tons = £80 per ton
Therefore:
2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each (£80 x 20) = £1600 per vehicle = £3200
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each (£80 x 15) = £1200 per vehicle = £2400
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each (£80 x 10) = £800 per vehicle = £1600
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each (£80 x 5) = £400 per vehicle = £ 800Total: = £8000
Example of overheads per mileage:
An operator has a fleet of 6 vehicles with an average annual mileage as follows:
3 vehicles averaging 40,000 miles each = 120,000 miles
2 vehicles averaging 50,000 miles each = 100,000 miles
1 vehicle averaging 80,000 miles = 80,000 milesTotal mileage: = 300,000 miles
If the total overheads of the business are £24,000, they may be allocated to each individual vehicle on a pence per mile basis.
Formula: Overheads x100/Total mileage of fleet = pence per mile
Example: 24,000 x 100/300,000 = 8 pence per mile
Vehicle averaging 40,000 miles (40,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £3,200
Vehicle averaging 50,000 miles (50,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £4,000
Vehicle averaging 80,000 miles (80,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £6,400These costs must be recovered in the number of days that the vehicle works.
Vehicle Running Costs
These include fuel, oil, tyres, repairs, etc. Running costs are expressed in pence per mile:
Formula: cost x 100 (change to pence)/mileage run = pence per mile
Fuel, oils and lubricants are the highest running costs and should therefore be monitored carefully. The estimated mileage life of a tyre is used to calculate a pence per mile figure for costing purposes, for example:
Estimated life of a particular tyre – 30,000 miles
A vehicle has 6 tyres @ £200 each – £1,200cost x100/mileage = pence per mile
Calculation:
1,200 x 100/30,000 = 4 pence per mile tyre costs
Detailed records of all repairs and maintenance must be kept and allocated to a particular cost centre (vehicle). The annual costs are divided by the annual mileage.
Cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile
By calculating the standing costs, overhead costs and running costs, an operator is able to analyse the cost of providing a service or charge out rate which can be calculated by one of the following methods:
Standing & overheads costs (daily rate) + running costs (pence per mile charge).
Overall pence per mile rate (all costs on a pence per mile basis).
Digest this lot Pimpdaddy.
Aw that brings back memories of my CPC.
It’s fairly straight forward when you get ur head round it.