Crap Pay!

xichrisxi:

wirksworth rod:

xichrisxi:
The trouble with HGV driving is HGV drivers,they seem to think HGV driving is some amazing skill that we should be able to command £20ph for…remember you can go from a normal car licenece to a class 1 licence in less than 2 weeks in theory and you don’t even have to have received a good education to get accepted into a training programme to learn.
I think some perspective of what HGV driving is wouldn’t go a miss with some drivers,it’s a semi skilled job at best ,if you want to earn 50k a year go learn a skill that will put you in a position to command it,it won’t happen driving trucks.

Chris,HGV driver for 12 years.

:unamused: mmmm never done adr then try pumping feneol acid or v.a.m with a flash point of .7 give you a clue to flash point petrol is 12 but wot do i no only semi skilled for the last 34 yonks or more :sunglasses:

See,no one mentioned ADR…obviously you are worth a bit more than a standard HGV driver but again to do ADR work it’s only a weeks course on top of the rest of HGV stuff.

:sunglasses: :sunglasses: pub time :laughing: :laughing:

As sad is I like to admit it but I watched question time last night about poor wages and chopping these ■■■■■ tax credits everyone seems to be entitled to except me.

The big topic was migration and effects on wages.

Anyways they reckon the uncontrollable net migration is deliberately keep low wages stale and low for the foreseeable future.

Low earners stay the same and sometimes losing out due to inflation.
The rich with money and companies just get richer due to the cheap labour market available.

The big boys bid for contracts, they therefore try to come in with the lowest bid, to obtain the contract. Simples! :smiley:
Result = Costs are cut EVERYWHERE they can be…

So if you have a glut in the driver market, wages will be low!
If drivers become harder to obtain, incentives must be made. Thus wages go up!

There is no driver shortage, there just isn’t a glut in the market anymore.
The big boys are complaining as they want to keep the driver cost/overhead low, and are asking the government & general public for support! The government shouldn’t lift a finger, as the average wage SHOULD increase to attract new drivers, and maintain them.

So NO shortage, just undervalued…
Along with the odd cabbage! :smiley:

The times i’ve heard this crap,sorry no money in the job,just keeping head above water etc,etc,we,us lorry drivers are our own worst enemy’s companys will buy new trucks and cars,refurb office’s ect WE will work for crap pay cause WE wont stick together ….

Dave the Renegade:
Time for a reality check. Lucky if they get a decent wage out of the business.

Whats the point in doing it then, if it’s not for the money, charity??

Lads lads, you’ve got to get away from hire and reward, there’s no bloody money in it, the job is buggered.

Find yourselves a lorry driving job on own account, either transporting your own product where the transport is the front line high on image (so spotless good equipment and presentable driver) and geared primarily to customer service not profit, or direct for one of the supermarkets own account…some better than others here.

Hire and reward did pay well at one time cos not everyone would do it, there was some serious graft and muck involved so the more fragile among us weren’t up for it, now any bugger can do it cos its chauffering (sorry steering) a vehicle from point a to point b as directed by pratnav then opening the back doors then sitting waiting whilst some east europeans do the work, you aint going to get premium money for that ever.

Alternatively there’s loads of vacancies on the car transporters, and you can earn £50k there, but by Christ you’ll earn every penny and then some.

Juddian:
Alternatively there’s loads of vacancies on the car transporters, and you can earn £50k there, but by Christ you’ll earn every penny and then some.

If you can get your foot in…

Pimpdaddy:

Dave the Renegade:
Time for a reality check. Lucky if they get a decent wage out of the business.

Whats the point in doing it then, if it’s not for the money, charity??

There was money in the job, until it was carved up by the big boys and agencies. Have a look how many have jacked their bussiness in and gone to work for someone else :exclamation: :exclamation:

Juddian:
Lads lads, you’ve got to get away from hire and reward, there’s no bloody money in it, the job is buggered.

Find yourselves a lorry driving job on own account, either transporting your own product where the transport is the front line high on image (so spotless good equipment and presentable driver) and geared primarily to customer service not profit, or direct for one of the supermarkets own account…some better than others here.

Hire and reward did pay well at one time cos not everyone would do it, there was some serious graft and muck involved so the more fragile among us weren’t up for it, now any bugger can do it cos its chauffering (sorry steering) a vehicle from point a to point b as directed by pratnav then opening the back doors then sitting waiting whilst some east europeans do the work, you aint going to get premium money for that ever.

Alternatively there’s loads of vacancies on the car transporters, and you can earn £50k there, but by Christ you’ll earn every penny and then some.

Yes you can earn good money,lets say each car is £450 delivery charge to customer x11 cars on truck =4950x2=9900x318 days =£3,148200 sorry drive no money in the job !

Before you moan about pay you have to understand the economics of transport, first of all the overheads are massive, Fuel, tyres, vehicle purchase and maintainence, the actual profit margin for every £ spent is tiny, for profit transport for a small to medium sized operator is a hard and thankless game.

I don’t go near near for profit transport, I drive for a living I don’t let it become a lifestyle choice.

You will not earn proper money on anything but own account, those days are long gone, the old hands drive for the supermarkets and specialists we rake it in and we love it.

Pimpdaddy:

Juddian:
Alternatively there’s loads of vacancies on the car transporters, and you can earn £50k there, but by Christ you’ll earn every penny and then some.

If you can get your foot in…

Right, I’ve held my tongue long enough, and I can’t take no more… :smiling_imp: (Yes, terrible grammar!)

Pimpdaddy - Stop being a sodding bellend!!!
Everything you say is a ■■■■■ and a moan, with a negative slant or opinion on everything before the context of some things even been formed…
You whine that you can’t get your foot in the door of a good gig, yet you are unable to see that your general attitude is not conduce to getting one! You simply can’t grasp that no one is going to recommend someone who ■■■■■■■ and whines all the time to a potential employer, as your performance & attitude will reflect upon the person who recommended you! 2+2=?

So look back at your post history and consider if you portray yourself as an attractive employee■■?

Rant over, for now… :smiley:

Evil8Beezle:
Right, I’ve held my tongue long enough, and I can’t take no more… :smiling_imp:

Pimpdaddy - Stop being a sodding bellend!!!
Everything you say is a ■■■■■ and a moan, with a negative slant or opinion on everything before the context of some things even been formed…
You whine that you can’t get your foot in the door of a good gig, yet you are unable to see that your general attitude is not conduce to getting one! You simply can’t grasp that no one is going to recommend someone who ■■■■■■■ and whines all the time to a potential employer, as your performance & attitude will reflect upon the person who recommended you! 2+2=?

So look back at your post history and consider if you portray yourself as an attractive employee■■?

Rant over, for now… :smiley:

Yes daddy…[emoji16]
P.s I’m a good guy lol

Sorry, does being flippant improve your prospects■■?

Maybe so but transport company arn’t doing it for the fun,lets say you have 100 trucks earning £400 a day x 7 =280,000 a week …they aint doing it for fun…

Evil8Beezle:
Sorry, does being flippant improve your prospects■■?

Prospects in your industry are long gone for me, don’t worry.

comet:
Maybe so but lets say you have 100 trucks earning £400 a day x 7 =280,000 a week …they aint doing it for fun…

+1, especially with all the bs that goes with it[emoji15]

Pimpdaddy:

Evil8Beezle:
Sorry, does being flippant improve your prospects■■?

Prospects in your industry are long gone for me, don’t worry.

comet:
Maybe so but lets say you have 100 trucks earning £400 a day x 7 =280,000 a week …they aint doing it for fun…

+1, especially with all the bs that goes with it[emoji15][/quot

If they can charge to move your BS they will !

Juddian:
Lads lads, you’ve got to get away from hire and reward, there’s no bloody money in it, the job is buggered.

Find yourselves a lorry driving job on own account, either transporting your own product where the transport is the front line high on image (so spotless good equipment and presentable driver) and geared primarily to customer service not profit, or direct for one of the supermarkets own account…some better than others here.

Hire and reward did pay well at one time cos not everyone would do it, there was some serious graft and muck involved so the more fragile among us weren’t up for it, now any bugger can do it cos its chauffering (sorry steering) a vehicle from point a to point b as directed by pratnav then opening the back doors then sitting waiting whilst some east europeans do the work, you aint going to get premium money for that ever.

Alternatively there’s loads of vacancies on the car transporters, and you can earn £50k there, but by Christ you’ll earn every penny and then some.

Goood point there’s a decent living to be made if a hgv licence is park of your skill set.
general haulage however is a mugs game.

Cost Centre – a department, depot or a single vehicle
Cost Unit – cost per load, per mile, per tonne, for example
Direct Costs – can be directly attributed to a cost centre, e.g. standing and running costs
Indirect Costs – cannot be directly attributed to a cost centre
Fixed Costs – costs that do not vary over a period of time, e.g. overheads
Variable Costs – costs that vary on the amount of use of a cost centre

Vehicle Utilisation

Before being able to work out a vehicle costing system, the vehicle utilisation must be calculated. Although the vehicle is available for work 365 days per year, in practice it will be for far less than that amount.

Example of annual utilisation:

Weekends – 104 days
Bank holidays – 8 days
Driver holiday – 15 days
Vehicle repairs – 10 days
Vehicle breakdowns (contingency) – 8 days

Total days not working: 145 days

Annual utilisation 365 days – 145 days = 220 days

Vehicle Standing Costs (Direct Costs)

Depreciation spreads the initial cost of a vehicle over its expected working life. There are two main methods of calculating annual depreciation:

  1. Straight Line Method

Purchase price of the vehicle less cost of the tyres less re-sale value, divided by the number of years of the expected life of the vehicle.

  1. Reducing Balance Method

The initial cost of the vehicle less cost of the tyres is divided by a set percentage for each year of the expected life. Here’s an example:

Purchase price of the vehicle – £34,000 (less 6 tyres @ £250 each) = £32,500 to be depreciated at 20% per annum.

Cost of vehicle less tyres – £32,500
1st year @ 20%: £6,500
balance £26,000
2nd year @ 20%: £5,200
balance £20,800
3rd year @ 20%: £4,160
balance £16,640

Licences

The road fund licence is an annual fixed cost which will depend upon the gross weight and number of axles on the vehicle.

The operator’s licence is a set annual fee for each vehicle authorised on the operator’s licence.

Insurance

The insurance premium will depend upon the operator’s no claims bonus, the type of operation and the experience of the drivers.

Wages

Must be paid whether the vehicle is working or not. Holiday and sick pay must be included, as well as National Insurance contributions, pensions, etc.

How to Work Out Annual Standing Costs:

Depreciation – £4,000
Vehicle Insurance – £2,500
Licences – £3,000
Driver’s wages – £17,500

Annual Standing Costs: £27,000

Vehicle utilisation: 45 weeks, 5 day working week.

Weekly standing costs: £27,000 divided by 45 = £600 per week.

Daily standing costs: £600 divided by 5 = £120 per day.

Standing costs can also be expressed as pence per mile:

Annual Mileage 54,000 miles

Formula: cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile

Example: standing costs: £27,000, annual mileage: 54,000.

Calculation: £27,000 x 100/54,000 = 50 pence per mile

Vehicle Overheads

These costs must be allocated to an individual cost centre. Overheads can be allocated by the number of vehicles in the fleet, tonnage carried by the fleet or mileage run by the fleet.

Formula:

By number of vehicles: cost divided by number of vehicles

By tonnage carried: cost/total tonnage = cost per ton

By mileage run by fleet: cost x 100/total mileage = cost per mile

Example of overheads per tonnage:

An operator’s fleet consists of:

2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each = 40 tons
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each = 30 tons
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each = 20 tons
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each = 10 tons

8 vehicles, total capacity: 100 tons

Business overheads are £8,000

Overheads based on carrying capacity of fleet is:

£8,000 divided by 100 tons = £80 per ton

Therefore:

2 vehicles carrying 20 tons each (£80 x 20) = £1600 per vehicle = £3200
2 vehicles carrying 15 tons each (£80 x 15) = £1200 per vehicle = £2400
2 vehicles carrying 10 tons each (£80 x 10) = £800 per vehicle = £1600
2 vehicles carrying 5 tons each (£80 x 5) = £400 per vehicle = £ 800

Total: = £8000

Example of overheads per mileage:

An operator has a fleet of 6 vehicles with an average annual mileage as follows:

3 vehicles averaging 40,000 miles each = 120,000 miles
2 vehicles averaging 50,000 miles each = 100,000 miles
1 vehicle averaging 80,000 miles = 80,000 miles

Total mileage: = 300,000 miles

If the total overheads of the business are £24,000, they may be allocated to each individual vehicle on a pence per mile basis.

Formula: Overheads x100/Total mileage of fleet = pence per mile

Example: 24,000 x 100/300,000 = 8 pence per mile

Vehicle averaging 40,000 miles (40,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £3,200
Vehicle averaging 50,000 miles (50,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £4,000
Vehicle averaging 80,000 miles (80,000 x 8 p.p.m.) = £6,400

These costs must be recovered in the number of days that the vehicle works.

Vehicle Running Costs

These include fuel, oil, tyres, repairs, etc. Running costs are expressed in pence per mile:

Formula: cost x 100 (change to pence)/mileage run = pence per mile

Fuel, oils and lubricants are the highest running costs and should therefore be monitored carefully. The estimated mileage life of a tyre is used to calculate a pence per mile figure for costing purposes, for example:

Estimated life of a particular tyre – 30,000 miles
A vehicle has 6 tyres @ £200 each – £1,200

cost x100/mileage = pence per mile

Calculation:

1,200 x 100/30,000 = 4 pence per mile tyre costs

Detailed records of all repairs and maintenance must be kept and allocated to a particular cost centre (vehicle). The annual costs are divided by the annual mileage.

Cost x 100/mileage = pence per mile

By calculating the standing costs, overhead costs and running costs, an operator is able to analyse the cost of providing a service or charge out rate which can be calculated by one of the following methods:

  1. Standing & overheads costs (daily rate) + running costs (pence per mile charge).

  2. Overall pence per mile rate (all costs on a pence per mile basis).

Digest this lot Pimpdaddy.

Dave the Renegade:
Digest this lot Pimpdaddy.

Gulp…[emoji1]

Pimpdaddy:

Dave the Renegade:
Digest this lot Pimpdaddy.

Gulp…[emoji1]

If you go into transport operating or management you will be expected to know all the costings etc.