As we all know the money making con than is the cpc starts on the 10th sept,but does this include our oversea drivers as i have heard than a few countries have knocked the starting date back.Or will are nice vosa men pull them.
alfnat:
As we all know the money making con than is the cpc starts on the 10th sept,but does this include our oversea drivers as i have heard than a few countries have knocked the starting date back.Or will are nice vosa men pull them.
See here pages 15 - 17 for the pre-planned dates of implementation in the EU.
That’ll be the Dcpc not the CPC cpc
the way i see it
if your from a country that implements the system
then you should have it to drive in the uk from Sept.
if your country holds out to 2015/16
then after the relevant date you should have it
alfnat:
As we all know the money making con than is the cpc
If its such a con and not needed then why did every single one of the 15 drivers doing the driving hours course I did have a question about EU drivers hours and the WTD?
Don’t know why you think its a con. My course excluding upload fee was £51.25 which is £7.32 an hour. Cheapest training I’ve ever had and pales into comparison to the £25/hr I was paying to have a professor read a powerpoint out to me at university. Yes there was 15 people in the room so the training company was taking £100/hr but there were 150 students in that lecture theatre so the university was taking £3750/hr.
Actually I do know why some people think it is a con. The first one I attended the guy taking the class had the same attitude as you and was a bit crap at controlling a class so as a result I paid £60 to listen to a room of drivers bleating on about how they thought it was a con for half of the day. Shame really because given the guy was a council gritter truck driver, was presenting a course on bad weather driving and knew his stuff, there was the opportunity for people to learn something but because they were like you and think they knew it all they ■■■■■■ away that opportunity.
In comparison, the one I went to yesterday which was manual handling and basic first aid was run by someone who knew how to give a lecture, had been a fireman and was currently a first responder for the ambulance service. There was virtually none of the bleating on about it being a con etc and everyone in that room left knowing a hell of a lot more about first aid than they did when they arrived.
Seems to me from my experiences the ones who think it is a con are the very ones who are being disruptive because they think they’re in a drivers waiting room and want to put in their tuppence and therefore make that day a waste of time. They go home having learnt nowt but are too thick to realise they were actually the reason why.
Top reply Mr Connor
Sure, its not crap if drivers are actually learning something they need to know but what about all those who do not need to learn something?
ROG:
Sure, its not crap if drivers are actually learning something they need to know but what about all those who do not need to learn something?
Like we already know everything!
Conor. NAIL ON HEAD.
weeto:
ROG:
Sure, its not crap if drivers are actually learning something they need to know but what about all those who do not need to learn something?Like we already know everything!
I said what a driver NEEDS to know - I di not say knows everything = very big difference
If a driver knows the regs, how to load safely etc etc then what else does that driver NEED to learn?
So Connor and all in his fan club, what about the ‘Good’ drivers that know the regs inside out, and end up correcting the people that are being paid to spew out such bull ■■■■ when they get it wrong?
I.e. 30 minute WTD
only 2 10 hr drives between rest periods
and many more
I agree the DCPC should exist, but if you turn up to a course, then can demonstrate (Test?) that you can do it, you can go home and leve the remaining ‘Old hands that are more knowledgeable’ that only know how to press the OK button on the digi unit and spew out bull ■■■■ on chalky tyres etc. to get on with it.
If you can show you will learn nothing from the course, then why should you be forced to stay?
There is more than one course and more than one topic, you know…
You could always choose a subject that you aren’t already an expert on and broaden your horizons/prospects a little…
Just an idea…
GasGas:
There is more than one course and more than one topic, you know…You could always choose a subject that you aren’t already an expert on and broaden your horizons/prospects a little…
Just an idea…
Even the FTA, who are nearly as big a dcpc vested interest as you, have conceded that irrelevant training has caused problems for drivers and firms that were doing fine prior to the training.
Not establishing drivers need the training and the unqualified nature of the trainers is what has greatly increased the chances of the average training session degenerating to farce. Putting the genuinely CPC qualified and people with decades of experience running compliant haulage fleets in a faux classroom environment with someone that, in many cases will not be able to match them for knowledge and experience was inevitably going to cause issues.
I’m sure I’d learn new things on a crochet course but as I don’t need to make a new tea cosy what’s the point?
albion1971:
Conor. NAIL ON HEAD.
I’ll just quote the above because I see quote after quote pointless 
Albion! How can you say nail on head? You are both generalising about lorry drivers 
the bad ones are not the majority but merely the only ones that get noticed/recognised. There are thousands that are on the roads that drive correctly and take into consideration other road users.
i.e. back off when being overtaken, try to anticipate others regards lane discipline, appreciate learner drivers, move over or adjust speed on motorways etc etc!
I do all that and I also know the regulations regarding my work. I don’t need to sit in a classroom like a child listening to someone telling me something I already know
I check vosa (■■) requirements weekly (currently looking into new load restraint info ) There is a minority that needs the cpc but the problem is that the minority will not listen! Without trying to contradict myself there are those that take pride in their job and those that just drive 
Conor! I know you - or should I say you are 1 of 2 people. I’m undecided which one you are Goole, you won’t know me cus I was one of hundreds and did the job I was paid for 
I have a German pal who has done work for me in the past, German national & lives there.
It has worked well on a couple of occasions that he’s brought my uk reg truck over to uk from Germany a few times does the drops & either takes it back to Germany & I then jump in for back to Uk or I have booked him a flight back.
Germany doesn’t need cpc until 2016.
However driving a British reg rig & in the Uk, I don’t really know how this equates to the regs.
I’ve always been for the DCPC, in the ten years I’ve been driving it seems to me that most drivers don’t know all the rules and regs, me included. When I first passed my test I did and found a lot of drivers telling me I was wrong, I found out for myself what was wrong and right and then over the years forgot the ones I didn’t need.
I think one of the problems is that we have had to do the course in one go where as in the future it will be a day a year (if I’ve got it right) which isn’t much to ask , to keep legal.
The other problem is it has been badly implemented on a major scale. Which is a shame
knight2:
I’ve always been for the DCPC, in the ten years I’ve been driving it seems to me that most drivers don’t know all the rules and regs, me included. When I first passed my test I did and found a lot of drivers telling me I was wrong, I found out for myself what was wrong and right and then over the years forgot the ones I didn’t need.
I think one of the problems is that we have had to do the course in one go where as in the future it will be a day a year (if I’ve got it right) which isn’t much to ask , to keep legal.
The other problem is it has been badly implemented on a major scale. Which is a shame
who said you had to do it in one go, everyone was told in 2009 that come sept 2014 you had to complete 35 hrs trainng why didn’t you do one day a year from 2009 
iguana:
I have a German pal who has done work for me in the past, German national & lives there.It has worked well on a couple of occasions that he’s brought my uk reg truck over to uk from Germany a few times does the drops & either takes it back to Germany & I then jump in for back to Uk or I have booked him a flight back.
Germany doesn’t need cpc until 2016.
However driving a British reg rig & in the Uk, I don’t really know how this equates to the regs.
I think this is one of the most interesting questions asked for some time on the subject of DCPC. I think the best course of action is to ring the DCPC hotline and ask the question. You can email them as well. If I refind the relevant numbers/addresses I will post on here.
Edit: found them
CPCRE@dsa.gsi.gov.uk or call 0191 201 8112 (DSA DCPC hotline)
If the main issue is the drivers not knowing the regs then it only needs one proper training session with a proper test - certainly not 35 hours!
The dopey ■■■■■ at the EU could not figure out that initial mod 2 should be just that