“Vehicle costing, base it on the 400km or the total 475km? The question ended the journey at Swindon, the pre release data ends it back at base. What did eveyone go with? How much did it cost out at? £440 ish?”
The costing should have been round trip 475km. With 7.5% profit it was something like £484ish.
These is a good example of the deliberate ambiguity on the case studies, in all the things i’ve studied before i’ve never come across this so often. Its hard enough doing all the calculations and learning the course then this is added in.
Cant believe there was no ADR with the Class 8 chemicals and no Frozen food with refrigerated trailers. I put hours into that. That was a red herring.
Also the drivers hours didn`t mention STGO. I spent a lot of time studying that as well. The drivers hours threw me by mixing part of the journey as Motorways and other classes of roads with a normal 44 tonner 
I think this was done deliberately to put people off, again I agree there was nothing to say look at this or that in the sernio
The question was for costing from Bristol to Swindon, AS IT SAID nothing about going back to Bristol!
They were asking more questions that there were answers!
londonmike:
I think this was done deliberately to put people off, again I agree there was nothing to say look at this or that in the sernio
The question was for costing from Bristol to Swindon, AS IT SAID nothing about going back to Bristol!They were asking more questions that there were answers!
Are you sure the costing was based upon finishing at Swindon and not the round trip for the day going back to Bristol?
The scenario says after the last delivery you drive 75km back to Bristol.
I`m sure the costing was on the days work
If it wasnt I messed that one up
Would be pretty pointless costing to there and getting a profit make up if you still had to drive to Bristol to finish!
Finished mine, found the whole thing brain-splitting.
I probably found the case study easier than the multiple choice, out trainer guessed yesterday what the questions would be and his guess was uncannily accurate. No idea how I’ve done though.
One thing I did get wrong yesterday was to forget to deduct the cost of the tyres from the vehicle before calculating the standing costs so I’m glad I made that mistake yesterday and not today.
I found the International part hardest of all, probably because I did all my revision on the National.
@ mixer driver too, yes, I made it around £484 as I recall.
@ ganapoes, training and exam fees were just over £1300, I did it with Kent Metro.
Good luck to all the contestants. I am looking forward to seeing the good marks and exam questions in a few weeks 
Cabcurtains:
Module 4 was tricky, the O’licence question seemed ambigous, i think it implied a major change rather than a new one, the OCRS questions were unwelcome!
Again, our trainer guessed this question, and the answer he told us to give was make major change under schedule 4, submit GV81, ask TC for need for newspaper advert to be waived, etc.
mixer driver too:
I`m sure the costing was on the days work
If it wasnt I messed that one up
I think so too, and calculated it on that basis, but obviously do not have the exam paper to check. The question asked you to cost the vehicle for the day.
However, even if it was just to Swindon, which I doubt, then we haven’t “messed up” the question, we would only drop one point for missing part of it. Even if you make a mistake at the very beginning of a long calculation which throws everything else out including the final answer, you only lose points for the one wrong calculation.
I know I did well on the new company formation thing, the words Memorandum of Association, Application Document, Statement of Capital and Initial Shareholdings, Statement of Proposed Officers etc etc etc are permanently etched on my brain!
Harry Monk:
mixer driver too:
I`m sure the costing was on the days work
If it wasnt I messed that one upI think so too, and calculated it on that basis, but obviously do not have the exam paper to check. The question asked you to cost the vehicle for the day.
However, even if it was just to Swindon, which I doubt, then we haven’t “messed up” the question, we would only drop one point for missing part of it. Even if you make a mistake at the very beginning of a long calculation which throws everything else out including the final answer, you only lose points for the one wrong calculation.
I know I did well on the new company formation thing, the words Memorandum of Association, Application Document, Statement of Capital and Initial Shareholdings, Statement of Proposed Officers etc etc etc are permanently etched on my brain!
Im glad you said that Harry. Youve put my mind at rest.
As for the company formation thing, i read it 20 times but my mind went blank. I managed to state a few of the items required but i couldn`t remember the explanations for them as requested.
how do you think you did with the drivers hours, Question 1?
mixer driver too:
how do you think you did with the drivers hours, Question 1?
Again,our trainer covered the likely question on revision day, fairly straightforward in that in both cases the drivers could only do 9 hours driving and had to take 11 hours off. For the single manning I seem to remember an arrival time of 0715- when we did this question on revision day some candidates forgot to allow for the 15 minute walk round checks on the second day.
For the double manning scenario it was just a non stop trip so it was mostly about calculating when to do the changeovers, we were told to put the non-driving driver on break for the first 45 minutes in the passenger seat, and then on POA until he started driving again.
The bizarre thing was that in between the modules when we had a chance of a smoke break, we all agreed that we had already forgotten nearly all of the questions!
Roll on the next 8 weeks, i want to know now!
After conducting a post mortem i think i’m going to be ok with the case study overall, but could be borderline on the key questions.
Lets think positive, i will scrape it 
Fingers crossed all, this isnt as important to me (work wise) as for some of you, i hope everyone gets a pass.
Harry Monk:
mixer driver too:
how do you think you did with the drivers hours, Question 1?Again,our trainer covered the likely question on revision day, fairly straightforward in that in both cases the drivers could only do 9 hours driving and had to take 11 hours off. For the single manning I seem to remember an arrival time of 0715- when we did this question on revision day some candidates forgot to allow for the 15 minute walk round checks on the second day.
For the double manning scenario it was just a non stop trip so it was mostly about calculating when to do the changeovers, we were told to put the non-driving driver on break for the first 45 minutes in the passenger seat, and then on POA until he started driving again.
The bizarre thing was that in between the modules when we had a chance of a smoke break, we all agreed that we had already forgotten nearly all of the questions!
I got part of that wrong then. It was the first question and wasnt on the ball with daily rest. i remember them saying they had already had their reduced rest for the week and put down 10 (11)hours daily rest :frowning: and arrived at 06.15. i also didnt put down which times were 80kph and which were 50kph. Had a total of 13 hours driving time though for the trip
i wish i could see the paper again now. Gonna have to wait a few weeks for OCR to publish it
Cabcurtains:
Roll on the next 8 weeks, i want to know now!After conducting a post mortem i think i’m going to be ok with the case study overall, but could be borderline on the key questions.
Lets think positive, i will scrape it
Fingers crossed all, this isnt as important to me (work wise) as for some of you, i hope everyone gets a pass.
Exactly the same as I feel CC.
I want to know now.
Im just glad to get away from that folder from the last 3 months and have a few beers to celebrate it all being over. God, i hope ive passed
For the first case study the answer was…
Start 0600
0600-0615 Other work (Daily checks)
0615-0645 Driving (non motorway).
0645-1045 Driving (motorway)
1045-1130 Break.
1130-1600 Driving (motorway)
1600-0300 Daily rest.
0300-0315 Other work (Daily checks).
0315-0345 Driving (motorway)
0345-0715 Driving (non motorway)
Arrive 0715.
Did you fill all the boxes on the double manning side? I filled them all on the single but had one left on the double.
Totally agree on the single times.
Part 1 I think I did ok, part 2 ok…
Scenario (if I fail it would be this)
Anything I thought would be in the exam wasn’t, the scenario a big bag of red herrings, drivings hours I think ok made it 13 hrs. Costing came out at £484.08 on 475km. Code of practice on loading ok. What is needed for in-house maintenance ok. Documents needed to set up a ltd company ok, details for each documents a little shandy, don’t think I gave enough description, simply couldn’t remember. Explain about vosa score system ok. O license I put major change, schedule 4. Not sure about STGO or helping the envoriment through changes on vehicles. Did not cover this at all.
How did everyone else do.
Yes, the answer for that was…
Start 0600
0600-0615 Other work (Driver 1)(daily checks)
0615-0645 Driving (Driver 1) non-motorway
0615-1045 Driving (Driver 1) motorway
Change drivers 1045.
1045-1515 Driving (Driver 2) motorway
Change drivers 1515.
1515-1545 Driving (Driver 1) motorway
1545-1915 Driving (Driver 1) non-motorway
Arrival 1915.
At all times the non-driving crew member should spend the first 45 minutes on break and the remainder on POA.
If you didn’t record the second driver’s activity then you will lose one point, but that is all.
Truckgirls:
helping the envoriment through changes on vehicles.
Euro-compliant engines, particulate filters, brake hush kits, road friendly suspension, spray suppression.
Truckgirls:
How did everyone else do.
I’ll let you know in February… I think I did OK on the National, but am not so sure about the International.
Truckgirls:
Part 1 I think I did ok, part 2 ok…
Scenario (if I fail it would be this)
Anything I thought would be in the exam wasn’t, the scenario a big bag of red herrings, drivings hours I think ok made it 13 hrs. Costing came out at £484.08 on 475km. Code of practice on loading ok. What is needed for in-house maintenance ok. Documents needed to set up a ltd company ok, details for each documents a little shandy, don’t think I gave enough description, simply couldn’t remember. Explain about vosa score system ok. O license I put major change, schedule 4. Not sure about STGO or helping the envoriment through changes on vehicles. Did not cover this at all.
How did everyone else do.
£484.08 on 475kms. You made 64p less than me 
helping the environment was tough one. Total recyclable vehicles,lower fuel consumption vehicles,wind deflecting panels,cruise control, I really was clutching at straws with that one
Stgo, just put different categories,1,2,3, with weights,Black&white sign, notice to Police and notice to Highways/bridges, certificate of indemnity and speed limits.