Just finished three days of training, heavy going BUT I can see light at the end of the tunnel.
Home work study case…
Gary Cousins began his career in road transport as an LGV driver. He then went on to become an owner driver and gained a National CPC. As the business expanded, he stopped driving himself and gradually built up a haulage business operating some 25 articulated vehicles from a freehold depot located in the west midlands. The business so far has been run under Gary’s sole ownership but he has been advised that it would be financially advantageous to him to create a private limited company and run the fleet under the name of Pallet Logistics Limited.
If Gary does decide to create the limited company to run his fleet, outline the administrative steps which will need to be taken to ensure that the new company complies with O’ licensing requirements whilst continuing to serve it’s customers without interruption.
12 marks…
mixer driver too:
Hi,
I`ve just finished my 2 days revision for the scenario/exam,
Questions we were asked to answer in a mock exam were,
Drivers hours-Acme contract from Bristol round trip(475)km
Drivers hours-Contract 2 Bristol to inverness double manned
Olicence Steps to be taken if OCR take over Deuce
olicence steps if OCR make a seperate company instead of deuce
OCRS Maintenance score
Cost the 475km round trip with 7.5% profit
Creation of a Ltd company
Dft code of Practice on Safety of loads
Projecting Loads
STGO movements
Vehicle selection
Thanks Tim
I will let you know, any questions that come up on Thursday after training.
Liza
Basically, as I see it, this is the “Schedule 4” thing.
He will need to write to the West Midlands TC, telling him about the takeover and asking for it to be done under Schedule 4 terms. so that he doesn’t have to advertise the change in the newspaper, and submit a GV79 in the name of Pallet Logistics to the Central Licencing Office.
If the TC doesn’t agree to this, he will have to re-submit the GV79, advertise in the local newspaper within 21 days either side of submitting it and provide evidence of fitness, a maintenance agreement, an operating centre, make the legal undertakings and provide evidence of financial soundness.
He will also have to prove repute and competence (a CPC).
It will then be published in Applications and Decisions and be subject to legal objections from the usual suspects (RHA, FTA, BAR, Police etc), if there are objections then a Public Enquiry would be held after which he might be granted the licence in full or with restrictions.
That would be my answer anyway, not sure how right or complete it is… I am the blind leading the blind here!
Basically, as I see it, this is the “Schedule 4” thing.
He will need to write to the West Midlands TC, telling him about the takeover and asking for it to be done under Schedule 4 terms. so that he doesn’t have to advertise the change in the newspaper, and submit a GV79 in the name of Pallet Logistics to the Central Licencing Office.
If the TC doesn’t agree to this, he will have to re-submit the GV79, advertise in the local newspaper within 21 days either side of submitting it and provide evidence of fitness, a maintenance agreement, an operating centre, make the legal undertakings and provide evidence of financial soundness.
He will also have to prove repute and competence (a CPC).
It will then be published in Applications and Decisions and be subject to legal
objections from the usual suspects (RHA, FTA, BAR, Police etc), if there are objections
then a Public Enquiry would be held after which he might be granted the licence in full
or with restrictions.
That would be my answer anyway, not sure how right or complete it is… I am the
blind leading the blind here!
I pretty much agree, but I did put that when writing to west midlands to inform of
name change I put in that this must be done within 28 days. Also the GV79 form will need to be completed.
Liza.
New case study tomorrow.
Following on from the case study scenario, can someone assist, its the 9 off in a 29 that i’m not sure about.
Regarding the hyperthetical 920Km (@40KMPH=23hrs) Inverness trip double manning, is this legal?
Starting from base with both drivers onboard, normal breaks taken when the other driver is driving etc
Driver 1 10hrs Driving
Driver 2 10rs Driving
Rest for 9hrs
Driving 20hrs in a 29hr period or do they rest for 10 and start again with a new 30hr period?
Cabcurtains:
Following on from the case study scenario, can someone assist, its the 9 off in a 29 that i’m not sure about.
Regarding the hyperthetical 920Km (@40KMPH=23hrs) Inverness trip double manning, is this legal?
Starting from base with both drivers onboard, normal breaks taken when the other driver is driving etc
Driver 1 10hrs Driving
Driver 2 10rs Driving
Rest for 9hrs
Driving 20hrs in a 29hr period or do they rest for 10 and start again with a new 30hr period?
I’m confusing myself.
Double manning rules allow 9 hour breaks for both drivers every day, they can both drive 10 hours twice per week and the maximum duty time is 30 hours.
As I see it the run can be done over the two day’s but they would have to rest up at the end for the full rest time and then start back and only doing it once up and down a week.
We haven’t done this in the case study yet so I don’t know what the tutor’s take will be on it, but there would be nothing stopping you doing it non-stop by putting three drivers on it, with the third driver waiting to take it over as the first two came to the end of their 21 hour shift (provided he had taken 9 hours off before taking it over of course).
Yes, that’s what I meant, maybe fly a driver up there or send him up on the train beforehand and give him a hotel for the night, this is what happens on rock 'n roll tours.
However, I don’t personally think they will complicate it to this degree.
Cabcurtains:
Following on from the case study scenario, can someone assist, its the 9 off in a 29 that i’m not sure about.
Regarding the hyperthetical 920Km (@40KMPH=23hrs) Inverness trip double manning, is this legal?
Starting from base with both drivers onboard, normal breaks taken when the other driver is driving etc
Driver 1 10hrs Driving
Driver 2 10rs Driving
Rest for 9hrs
Driving 20hrs in a 29hr period or do they rest for 10 and start again with a new 30hr period?
I’m confusing myself.
Double manning rules allow 9 hour breaks for both drivers every day, they can both drive 10 hours twice per week and the maximum duty time is 30 hours.
Breaks can be taken on the move but rest cannot
Ok, so is the above legal and the correct pattern?
I would like to think OCR wouldnt go to the 3rd man level!
Harry Monk:
However, I don’t personally think they will complicate it to this degree.
Neither do I, like the other case study with ADR, they do not expect you to be up to speed with every regulation, just that you have an idea that ADR will be necessary!
I`ve done the double manning scenario to Inverness.
Basically, 06.00 start and 15mins checks
Both drivers do a 9 hour driver shift on 1st day. 10 hour day can be done but only delays daily rest and later start next day.
At 40kph each 4 and half hour driving period is 180kms x 4 first day is 720kms. 200kms left
9 hours daily rest from 00.15 - 9.15. 15 min daily checks
1st driver does 4 and half hours-180kms
2nd driver finishes journey with half hour driving
Both ways they will arrive at 14.30 next day
mixer driver too:
I`ve done the double manning scenario to Inverness.
Basically, 06.00 start and 15mins checks
Both drivers do a 9 hour driver shift on 1st day. 10 hour day can be done but only delays daily rest and later start next day.
At 40kph each 4 and half hour driving period is 180kms x 4 first day is 720kms. 200kms left
9 hours daily rest from 00.15 - 9.15. 15 min daily checks
1st driver does 4 and half hours-180kms
2nd driver finishes journey with half hour driving
Both ways they will arrive at 14.30 next day
although it doesn’t matter for this case study, anyone who does go double manning it is much easier to split the driving into easy 3, or 3.30 hour segments, but don’t forget to calculate in a toilet / shower stop. There is nothing worse than two drivers trying to use a shower, eat an evening meal and be fully rested in 9 hours, (it used to be 8,)
Just done 3 parts, multiple choice seemed to go really well, only a couple of answers i know i got wrong.
Module 4 was tricky, the O’licence question seemed ambigous, i think it implied a major change rather than a new one, the OCRS questions were unwelcome!
The STGO overview question, i answered with speed limits/weights etc not sure if thats what they want.
Vehicle costing, base it on the 400km or the total 475km? The question ended the journey at Swindon, the pre release data ends it back at base. What did eveyone go with? How much did it cost out at? £440 ish?
