Hi Paul
I am a Transport Manager and work for a big company that has a legal team and a accounts team, I am doing to exam in dec as well. Reading some of the past papers has also scared me as well, as I only deal with all the transport side of the bussiness. I am reading a book my David Lowe Professional Competence in Road Haulage, it is not a easy read but gives outlines of all sections of law and finance. Regarding you sum here is my answer and how I got there :-
£40000 Costs +
£40000 Running Costs +
£12000 ( 15% profit ) +
£92000 /
80000 km
£1.15 x
1.1 euro
= 1.27 euro
I am sure if it is wrong all you experiened CPC holder will soon correct me, but instead of saying no please put in the sum and how you reach your figure. Thank you
Good luck in Dec Paul
Liza
That’s exactly how I did it, but had I seen that for the first time I could easily have made the same mistake.
All we need to know now is,is it correct?
Truckgirls:
Hi Paul
I am a Transport Manager and work for a big company that has a legal team and a accounts team, I am doing to exam in dec as well. Reading some of the past papers has also scared me as well, as I only deal with all the transport side of the bussiness. I am reading a book my David Lowe Professional Competence in Road Haulage, it is not a easy read but gives outlines of all sections of law and finance. Regarding you sum here is my answer and how I got there :-
£40000 Costs +
£40000 Running Costs +
£12000 ( 15% profit ) +
£92000 /
80000 km
£1.15 x
1.1 euro
= 1.27 euro
I am sure if it is wrong all you experiened CPC holder will soon correct me, but instead of saying no please put in the sum and how you reach your figure. Thank you
Good luck in Dec Paul
Liza
I worked it out like that but thought there must be something missing when Harry mentioned standing costs. I had my 6k profit on the 40k but wondered if there was another reason to write it like that. I must heed my own advice and read the bladdy question!
So my workings are also £46k x 2 = £92k / 80kkm for £1.15 = €1.27
What I didn’t understand was that 80,000km/£40,000 and then adding the 50ppkm running costs and then the profit gives exactly the same result as adding the standing costs to the running costs and then doing the division and adding the profit.
I read in the guidance notes that this is a level 3 exam, which is the equivalent of an A level… and nine days to learn it in
Harry Monk:
What I didn’t understand was that 80,000km/£40,000 and then adding the 50ppkm running costs and then the profit gives exactly the same result as adding the standing costs to the running costs and then doing the division and adding the profit.
I read in the guidance notes that this is a level 3 exam, which is the equivalent of an A level… and nine days to learn it in
I know …
I left school many moons ago and I not studied like this for years, I am struggling to retain information, and there is lots of information.
Good Luck
Liza
Do you think in the Dec exam Dietfest Frozen Foods we will have to cost in Fridge trailers as not mentioned in current fleet.
Truckgirls:
Do you think in the Dec exam Dietfest Frozen Foods we will have to cost in Fridge trailers as not mentioned in current fleet.
I would have presumed so, except that the cost of a fridge trailer is not given in the scenario and as I understand it, they do give you all of the information required to formulate the answer. From this I imagined that the trailers would belong to, or be leased by Dietfest.
The situation with Armageddon would be similar, in that the cost of ADR training and compliance would have to be mentioned in order to calculate rates accurately, I presume candidates will be required to mention the need for this but again, without being given figures it isn’t really possible to make accurate financial calculations.
have been reading through past scenarios, exams and examiners reports today and will be doing so over the weekend no doubt, I’m sure my brain will be fried by the 2nd December…
Truckgirls:
Do you think in the Dec exam Dietfest Frozen Foods we will have to cost in Fridge trailers as not mentioned in current fleet.
I would have presumed so, except that the cost of a fridge trailer is not given in the scenario and as I understand it, they do give you all of the information required to formulate the answer. From this I imagined that the trailers would belong to, or be leased by Dietfest.
The situation with Armageddon would be similar, in that the cost of ADR training and compliance would have to be mentioned in order to calculate rates accurately, I presume candidates will be required to mention the need for this but again, without being given figures it isn’t really possible to make accurate financial calculations.
have been reading through past scenarios, exams and examiners reports today and will be doing so over the weekend no doubt, I’m sure my brain will be fried by the 2nd December…
The work envisaged is for OCR to supply 44 tonne GVW
articulated vehicles with 13.6 metre refrigerated semi-trailers for deliveries
I think OCR are going to have to raise some finance for this although if they take over Deuce, the fleet should be ok as they are modern, so just refrigerated trailers to source.
There will also be a need for a DGSA so either “You” or Edward Monk may have to sit additional exams or employ another body.
I imagine the other questions will give a choice of answers applicable to Deuce and OCR
A number of candidates, in attempting to calculate the standing costs, divided 80,000
kilometres by £40,000 causing the rest of the calculation to be incorrect.
I would have made the same mistake here. Why would it be wrong to divide the distance covered by the annual standing cost in order to find out the standing cost per kilometre before adding running costs and profit?
The reason is that they have got the numbers the wrong way round.
To get pence per km you need to divide £40,000 by 80,000km, not the other way round, giving you 50p/km.
Ah yes, I see what you mean now, I did do the calculations correctly, giving a standing cost of 50ppkm but I didn’t notate it correctly, will have to take more care over that.
There’s a lot to take in, you will be given an enormous folder containing all of the modules you need to study. After two days we have done about a third of them. You will need to devote an hour or two of homework to it.
There are people on my course who have been involved in running haulage firms for years, and who are only taking it because the current CPC holder is retiring, and even they are struggling.
I am taking most of it in, and although it is getting harder by the day, I do think I will be able to pass it.
Harry, has your trainer shed any suspicions on the case study yet? I’ve had the folder for 3mths now and i learn something new everytime i have a read!
The scenario doesn’t mention anything about costings for the Armageddon ADR contract, so the worst that can happen in that regard is that you could be asked to mention some subjects just to check that you’re aware of them.
A question aimed in that direction could be something like:
List three items of possible expenditure if OCR are awarded the Armageddon contract:
Cost of appointing/training a DGSA.
Cost of ADR vehicle equipment.
Cost of ADR training for vehicle drivers.
If they ask for more than three, then…
4. Cost of fire-extinguishers
5. Cost of ADR awareness training for other staff, such as office workers/forkies/fitters etc,
…but always, always… RTFQ and only answer what they’ve asked for. They don’t do bonus marks unless it’s clearly stated in the question.
As I’ve mentioned, the ADR part can’t be too in-depth, because they haven’t given any actual cost figures for the ADR stuff in the scenario.
Cabcurtains:
Harry, has your trainer shed any suspicions on the case study yet? I’ve had the folder for 3mths now and i learn something new everytime i have a read!
With regard to the potential takeover of the company in north Bristol, my instructor has suggested that “Schedule 4” might be a useful thing to research.
Thanks chaps, i suspected as must. Its hard not to get sucked into a big assumption which could result in extra study in the wrong areas. Decisions Decisions
I must confess i find the whole test thing strangly exciting, its not since the RAF that i last did a test, and that was the ADR exams.
Hi,
I`ve just finished my 2 days revision for the scenario/exam,
Questions we were asked to answer in a mock exam were,
Drivers hours-Acme contract from Bristol round trip(475)km
Drivers hours-Contract 2 Bristol to inverness double manned
Olicence Steps to be taken if OCR take over Deuce
olicence steps if OCR make a seperate company instead of deuce
OCRS Maintenance score
Cost the 475km round trip with 7.5% profit
Creation of a Ltd company
Dft code of Practice on Safety of loads
Projecting Loads
STGO movements
Vehicle selection
Carriage of Dangerous goods
OK, first week is finished and I am looking forward to a day away from it! Will do some revision on Sunday.
It is an enormous amount to take in, I am doing my best and although I wouldn’t say I will definitely pass, I wouldn’t say I will definitely fail either. I am borderline. One of the other lads on the course seems to have given up already and his constantly saying that he is wasting his time and is going to fail and I think this is destined to become a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Another of the candidates, decent enough though he is, is absolutely clueless.
They don’t do bonus marks unless it’s clearly stated in the question. 
