ETS:
Masks beacme mandatory - infection rates rose. BOOM there ya go
The reason the infection is rising in the UK is because people won’t do what they are told. In a lot of Asian countries where masks are mandatory inside and out and people do what they are told the rates are extremely low. Like of Oman is the same.
Win-Stone:
jakethesnake:
Every scientific study has shown that, where people are fit and healthy, Covid is NOT serious. Where it is serious is where you have underlying health problems, are morbildly obese, or are old.That is certainly not true. For the vast majority of people maybe but there have been plenty fit and healthy people (of all ages including 20’s) that have died and that also have major on going problems since catching the virus. Personally I know a guy in his early 50’s who caught it in April was hospitilised and nearly died. He is now still suffering badly and cannot function correctly on a daily basis.This being a new virus means they have no idea of the long term effect it will have on humans if they catch it.
You are correct they have never manufactured a vaccine for any corona virus yet but it seems they are extremely confident one will be available and will work (it already is in testing) and will be available by the end of the year to those who most need it and then to the general public next springish!
Ok, I admit that, perhaps serious was, on this occasion, the incorrect terminology. What I should have said was not fatal. And, I accept, there is a huge difference between the two.
I have every sympathy with the guy in his 50’s: Obvious point is that he is getting into the range where the virus is at its most virulent - but, and pardon me for stating the obvious - the guy is still alive!I agree that people who are ‘fit and healthy’ have suffered but, and it’s a BIG but ---- According to the ONS, of people under the age of 40, where Covid has been mentioned on the certificate, only 14 – FOURTEEN — were subsequently proven to NOT have an undiagnosed underlying health condition. Don’t forget that countless people around the world, and not just in this country, have underlying health conditions which they are totally unaware of! Obvious example - people who have borderline Diabetes but put their general lethargy down to work/stress/life. etc.
And, on the subject of vaccines, as recently as last week a world renown Oxford Professor of Microbiology (I can’t remember his name but could dig it out if needed) was openly saying (and I’m paraphrasing) “Vaccine? Never going to happen!”
Why will it not happen? Because the virus attacks different people in different ways and the scientists are at a loss to explain why. It is also why the Epidemiologists are saying that any vaccine is NOT going to work on the population. At current time they believe that any vaccine may - stress may - work “with up to” 40% of the general population.
I get most of what you say however one of the most respected Scientific Advisors Patrick Vallence who is normally known to be very wary of saying anything that will not happen said recently that he fully expects the Oxford vaccine to be sucessful.
Let’s hope he is right otherwise things are going to get very grim before they improve.
well, after reading that i’ve just cancelled me turkey… 
jakethesnake:
Truckulent:
jakethesnake:
ROG:
How do you get rid of a WORLDWIDE virus without a vaccine?
Answer is you cannot
That means we either leave it to do its thing all at once or we let it out over a longer periodYes you can. Look at others in the past. What about herd immunity?
Like flu you mean? That’s been around since Adam was a lad, has a vaccine carefully worked out. But still kills between 350,000 and 800,000 year.
Herd immunity prevents pandemics. But not deaths.
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No, not like flu. Herd immunity would cause so many to be affected and those who live will become immune, the virus will eventually burn out resulting in NO covid 19 and NO deaths from covid 19.
Unless the virus mutates! There have a few, admittedly small in number, reported incidents of people having 2nd covid infections. I don’t know if these are short lived immunity, in which case herd immunity may not be achievable, or virus mutation to a new strain like flu needing a periodic jab to suppress the potency to spread.
the maoster:
That Patrick Vallance certainly seems to know his stuff, and we can’t argue with statistics can we?
Priceless!!
Thereby showing Vallance up as just as big a ■■■■ stirrer as every newspaper and news channel.
"Let’s scare the populous into a dystopian existence… "
Covid is not nice. But I’d rather have that than cancer, heart disease, diabetes, COPD etc etc
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Unless the virus mutates! There have a few, admittedly small in number, reported incidents of people having 2nd covid infections. I don’t know if these are short lived immunity, in which case herd immunity may not be achievable, or virus mutation to a new strain like flu needing a periodic jab to suppress the potency to spread.
I think you are probably correct that the virus does mutate and yes possibly a jab yearly may be on the cards. Whatever happens some people need to start taking this seriously instead of pretending it’s just like the flu!
jakethesnake:
The reason the infection is rising in the UK is because people won’t do what they are told. In a lot of Asian countries where masks are mandatory inside and out and people do what they are told the rates are extremely low. Like of Oman is the same.
There was some discussion about possible natural immunity in some eastern countries, explaining the figures. The chinese figures have also been questioned, with reports of single drivers taking thousands of urns to funeral homes etc etc.
Juddian:
I’ve probably marked my own card because i gave my opinions on the govt consultation over plans for the next fast track decrees around immunity for drug companies, untrained adminsters of vaccines etc, the consultation document ended yesterday but you can still give your views if you wish.
Dare say there’ll be a knock on the door in due course.
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I think you might have an over inflated sense of your own importance there chap
manalishi:
Juddian:
Short circuiting safety testing? seriously?Vaccines take many years, decades even, to develop and test, before anyone thinks of giving them approval, let alone the immunity aspect for those involved in this.
You can’t do fast track because you won’t know, as Thalidomide proved, that long term disastrous effects haven’t been unleashed, and we arn’t talking a few thousand or hundred thousand, we are into the realms of hundred of millions of doses the powers that be have apparently ordered, so the vaccine isn’t far away, possibly repeated annually, just WTF is going on here.They’ve tried to cure the common cold for generations, and still nowhere near a solution, annual flu vaccines likely to make you more ill than the sodding flu would have done.
Who the hell would want a fast tracked barely tested vaccine dreamed up by modern day Dr Mengeles, given immunity from being held to account, presumably to be administered by Al Johnson’s latest stasi covid marshals if those currently keeping quiet to save their jobs in the medical profession finally decide they can’t be part of this satanic pantomime any more.
And yet folk are being inexorably gaslighted into the idea of bowing down to a vein full of that nice mr and mrs Gates,effacacious,DNA-altering- syringe-full,masquerading as a vaccine,more than likely with added micro-chip goodness,alongside the traditional good-old faves-Beta-Propiolactone,Aluminium,Formaldahyde,Butylphosphate,Mercury,Glutaraldehyde not forgetting trace-elements of aborted baby foetus…(can’t beat a little roughage) all lovingly developed by the spawn of a recently deceased,eugenecist (Bill-Gates snr) with purported Rockefeller ancestry,not forgetting a spouse (Melinda) often seen across the media pulpits,sporting an upside-down cross around it’s neck,(Killary’s partial) in deference to it’s Luciferic overlords.The working title of this ‘vaccine’…LUCIFERASE .Not starting to get a tad suspicious fellas?
The [zb] human-race has only one weapon…massive numbers,looking at the mass tampon-clad morons (excluding the unfortunates whose livelihood requires them) suckling from the media-strategical-ambiguity-fests on TV and resolutely refusing to exercise personal sovereignty in any shape or form,well,if this is the state of spinelesness at large with humanity today,bring on Agenda 21.The planet could use a rest from us anyhow.
As we both know Juddian,Dr Vernon Coleman’s the only game in town these days for the real lowdown to this accelerating, evil-PTB-power-grab,camouflaged as a pandemic.
Do you not read back what you’ve written before pressing post?
FFS 5 pages and I’m STILL waiting for Carryfast to appear and tell us a 6x4 drawbar is the answer. Slacking.
switchlogic:
Juddian:
I’ve probably marked my own card because i gave my opinions on the govt consultation over plans for the next fast track decrees around immunity for drug companies, untrained adminsters of vaccines etc, the consultation document ended yesterday but you can still give your views if you wish.
Dare say there’ll be a knock on the door in due course.
.I think you might have an over inflated sense of your own importance there chap
You would think so… , I mean, the idea that the powers that be dont approve of dissenting voices is rather silly, isn’t it? But to think that a government would deal harshly with dissenting voices, is quite frankly the stuff of tin foil hat wearing looney… come on , if that would be real, there would be loads of examples of governments suppressing their people just for not agree with them. Or … or …
Noremac:
jakethesnake:
The reason the infection is rising in the UK is because people won’t do what they are told. In a lot of Asian countries where masks are mandatory inside and out and people do what they are told the rates are extremely low. Like of Oman is the same.There was some discussion about possible natural immunity in some eastern countries, explaining the figures. The chinese figures have also been questioned, with reports of single drivers taking thousands of urns to funeral homes etc etc.
Eastern countries populations are younger on average so most covid cases go unnoticed (asymptomatic) with the occasional death of an elderly person or someone with 9 co-morbidities. China’s figures are 100% fake. I’m seeing a pattern of countries who were in the deepest ■■■■■ financially just before the crisis being the most eager to ‘‘fight’’ the pandemic of course by shutting down economies and borrowing (printing) cosmic amounts of money (USA/ France/ UK / Italy / Spain / Greece etc. basically most of the EU) claiming the world is ending unless their citizens and businesses do everything at all costs to ‘‘fight teh virus’’ which mostly comes down to ‘‘shut down until allowed to re-open but keep paying your rents, we’ll give you printed money if we have to becaues we don’t want banks and all sorts of funds who are neck deep invested in comm. real estate to go belly up’’
the maoster:
That Patrick Vallance certainly seems to know his stuff, and we can’t argue with statistics can we?
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Don’t worry jake, if you catch the virus, you can just completely ignore it’s existence, change the subject, talk about something else, you will be fine.
Also, death rates amongst internet fantasists are very low, thanks to troll immunity. Pecker up!
the nodding donkey:
switchlogic:
Juddian:
I’ve probably marked my own card because i gave my opinions on the govt consultation over plans for the next fast track decrees around immunity for drug companies, untrained adminsters of vaccines etc, the consultation document ended yesterday but you can still give your views if you wish.
Dare say there’ll be a knock on the door in due course.
.I think you might have an over inflated sense of your own importance there chap
You would think so… , I mean, the idea that the powers that be dont approve of dissenting voices is rather silly, isn’t it? But to think that a government would deal harshly with dissenting voices, is quite frankly the stuff of tin foil hat wearing looney… come on , if that would be real, there would be loads of examples of governments suppressing their people just for not agree with them. Or … or …
I love that all these people who drone on about ‘the man’ stifling criticism and trying to stamp out free speech criticise and freely talk constantly. I think most do it to make them feel a rebel and dangerous. The most comical lately is people who think they are brave having their crazy thoughts and being anti ‘leftie’, who soon shut up when I point out that they are right wing in a country with a right wing government so it’s hardly going against the grain.
Well someone is telling porkies! Could be all the quoted sources at the bottom or it could be empire building, research grant hungry megalomaniacs. Who to believe is the question. I suppose it’s all down to who has the best ad campaign.
As a matter of interest I wonder how much has been spent on the top 5 killers since the beginning of this year as opposed to Covid?
Or perhaps the question should be how much have the top 5 killers been neglected because of number 6?
ETS:
Noremac:
jakethesnake:
The reason the infection is rising in the UK is because people won’t do what they are told. In a lot of Asian countries where masks are mandatory inside and out and people do what they are told the rates are extremely low. Like of Oman is the same.There was some discussion about possible natural immunity in some eastern countries, explaining the figures. The chinese figures have also been questioned, with reports of single drivers taking thousands of urns to funeral homes etc etc.
Eastern countries populations are younger on average so most covid cases go unnoticed (asymptomatic) with the occasional death of an elderly person or someone with 9 co-morbidities. China’s figures are 100% fake. I’m seeing a pattern of countries who were in the deepest [zb] financially just before the crisis being the most eager to ‘‘fight’’ the pandemic of course by shutting down economies and borrowing (printing) cosmic amounts of money (USA/ France/ UK / Italy / Spain / Greece etc. basically most of the EU) claiming the world is ending unless their citizens and businesses do everything at all costs to ‘‘fight teh virus’’ which mostly comes down to ‘‘shut down until allowed to re-open but keep paying your rents, we’ll give you printed money if we have to becaues we don’t want banks and all sorts of funds who are neck deep invested in comm. real estate to go belly up’’
Stop babbling. As I said the infection rate is lower in a lot of these countries partly because the restrictions are far more strictly followed. Look at the figures in Singapore Vietnam and Cambodia for instance. Break the rules in Singapore and see what happens!
As far as I am aware it’s the young people in th UK asymptomatic or not that are mainly spreading the disease along with the other ignorant muppets through totally ignoring restrictions. As with most things in the UK people have a problem with following simple basic instructions. 
jakethesnake:
ETS:
Noremac:
jakethesnake:
The reason the infection is rising in the UK is because people won’t do what they are told. In a lot of Asian countries where masks are mandatory inside and out and people do what they are told the rates are extremely low. Like of Oman is the same.There was some discussion about possible natural immunity in some eastern countries, explaining the figures. The chinese figures have also been questioned, with reports of single drivers taking thousands of urns to funeral homes etc etc.
Eastern countries populations are younger on average so most covid cases go unnoticed (asymptomatic) with the occasional death of an elderly person or someone with 9 co-morbidities. China’s figures are 100% fake. I’m seeing a pattern of countries who were in the deepest [zb] financially just before the crisis being the most eager to ‘‘fight’’ the pandemic of course by shutting down economies and borrowing (printing) cosmic amounts of money (USA/ France/ UK / Italy / Spain / Greece etc. basically most of the EU) claiming the world is ending unless their citizens and businesses do everything at all costs to ‘‘fight teh virus’’ which mostly comes down to ‘‘shut down until allowed to re-open but keep paying your rents, we’ll give you printed money if we have to becaues we don’t want banks and all sorts of funds who are neck deep invested in comm. real estate to go belly up’’
Stop babbling. As I said the infection rate is lower in a lot of these countries partly because the restrictions are far more strictly followed. Look at the figures in Singapore Vietnam and Cambodia for instance. Break the rules in Singapore and see what happens!
As far as I am aware it’s the young people in th UK asymptomatic or not that are mainly spreading the disease along with the other ignorant muppets through totally ignoring restrictions. As with most things in the UK people have a problem with following simple basic instructions.
And that’ll be the same group of young people you will be volunteering to be used as guinea pigs for the vaccination trials, but lets just paint all youngsters as feckless because of the actions of a few, you must have a large shed to keep all the tins of tar in, that you use for tarring all groups that you dislike with the same brush
jakethesnake:
Stop babbling.
Oh, look - someone is mad
Please comment on the graph maoster posted above. Also comment on the fact that the gov’t/NCS own ‘covid death stats’ in their own words do not represent the actual number of covid CAUSED deaths…Anyone remember the big fanfare when they were building/opening those large hospitals like WW3 was about to break out? Yeah
