Covid 19 not good news

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Truckulent:
Meanwhile away from Planet Covid Cuckoo Land, 700 a day are dying of cancer and heart disease (UK alone) and no one gives a [zb] because they assume they won’t be next…

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You’re right! They are major problems
I’d never heard of heart disease or cancer until you mentioned it!
How amazing that no research is being done, no monies spent, no charities exist for these major killers!
You’re right that no one gives a toss.
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Never mind, evidently the UK still produces world class tossers.

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Truckulent:

jakethesnake:

ROG:
How do you get rid of a WORLDWIDE virus without a vaccine?
Answer is you cannot
That means we either leave it to do its thing all at once or we let it out over a longer period

Yes you can. Look at others in the past. What about herd immunity?

Like flu you mean? That’s been around since Adam was a lad, has a vaccine carefully worked out. But still kills between 350,000 and 800,000 year.

Herd immunity prevents pandemics. But not deaths.

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No, not like flu. Herd immunity would cause so many to be affected and those who live will become immune, the virus will eventually burn out resulting in NO covid 19 and NO deaths from covid 19.

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Franglais:

Truckulent:
Meanwhile away from Planet Covid Cuckoo Land, 700 a day are dying of cancer and heart disease (UK alone) and no one gives a [zb] because they assume they won’t be next…

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You’re right! They are major problems
I’d never heard of heart disease or cancer until you mentioned it!
How amazing that no research is being done, no monies spent, no charities exist for these major killers!
You’re right that no one gives a toss.
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Never mind, evidently the UK still produces world class tossers.

It most certainly does. :laughing:

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jakethesnake:

Truckulent:

jakethesnake:

ROG:
How do you get rid of a WORLDWIDE virus without a vaccine?
Answer is you cannot
That means we either leave it to do its thing all at once or we let it out over a longer period

Yes you can. Look at others in the past. What about herd immunity?

Like flu you mean? That’s been around since Adam was a lad, has a vaccine carefully worked out. But still kills between 350,000 and 800,000 year.

Herd immunity prevents pandemics. But not deaths.

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No, not like flu. Herd immunity would cause so many to be affected and those who live will become immune, the virus will eventually burn out resulting in NO covid 19 and NO deaths from covid 19.

I don’t think so. Viruses may rise and fall in waves, but they don’t die out.
Polio, smallpox, are controlled by
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Ed clicked early.
Viruses are mostly controlled by vaccine, Letting them run free doesn’t seem to provide an end through natural selection or owt.

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Franglais:
No, not like flu. Herd immunity would cause so many to be affected and those who live will become immune, the virus will eventually burn out resulting in NO covid 19 and NO deaths from covid 19.

I don’t think so. Viruses may rise and fall in waves, but they don’t die out.
Polio, smallpox, are controlled by
.
Ed clicked early.
Viruses are mostly controlled by vaccine, Letting them run free doesn’t seem to provide an end through natural selection or owt.
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Vaccines do control and eradicate disease but if you look at the examples you have given and how long it took from development to either controlling or eradicating the disease it is unrealistic to expect a vaccine for Covid to be developed, tested and used on a widespread scale to control Covid anytime soon, so either shut everything down and all the problems that creates or protect those who are at risk and allow everyone else to continue on, all be it with some restrictions.

Reference the Polio vaccine first successful demonstration of the vaccine was in 1950, research into a vaccine began in 1935 so 15 years to develop. 2018, 33 cases so yes a massive success but not an overnight solution

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Mazzer2:

Franglais:
No, not like flu. Herd immunity would cause so many to be affected and those who live will become immune, the virus will eventually burn out resulting in NO covid 19 and NO deaths from covid 19.

I don’t think so. Viruses may rise and fall in waves, but they don’t die out.
Polio, smallpox, are controlled by
.
Ed clicked early.
Viruses are mostly controlled by vaccine, Letting them run free doesn’t seem to provide an end through natural selection or owt.

Vaccines do control and eradicate disease but if you look at the examples you have given and how long it took from development to either controlling or eradicating the disease it is unrealistic to expect a vaccine for Covid to be developed, tested and used on a widespread scale to control Covid anytime soon, so either shut everything down and all the problems that creates or protect those who are at risk and allow everyone else to continue on, all be it with some restrictions.
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Medical science has moved on since the time of Jenner.
Some novel methods of development are being suggested, and indeed, because of gene sequencing, drugs and vaccines are actually “designed” rather than “discovered”.
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This shows how seriously some take testing and ethical challenges
[sciencemag.org/news/2020/07 … in-support]
(https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/controversial-human-challenge-trials-covid-19-vaccines-gain-support)
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I would agree there is no magic road to a surefire cure. But there are reasons for some optimism, IMHO.
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bbc.com/news/health-51665497
I think that is a fairly well balanced view on the possible timelines involved.
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This isn’t a disease affecting only poorer countries. It is a global threat to people and economies, so the money and effort being thrown at it should give quicker results than anything before.
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“Soon”? Very subjective word!
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So to protect the vulnerable everyone should suffer? Aside from the elderly who cannot change their age a lot of those in vulnerable groups are there because of their lifestyle obesity being the main one, the amount of obese people working in the public sector is unreal yet these people are in many cases on the frontline in the fight against this.
You would think by now that people would have got the message that being a fat knacker is not good, but no you still see them waddling into Gregs etc and leaving with a box of doughnuts if people aren’t prepared to help themselves then why should others suffer the young in particular, the difference in my children since going back to school is like night and day, confining children for months at a time is no solution.

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Mazzer2:
So to protect the vulnerable everyone should suffer? Aside from the elderly who cannot change their age a lot of those in vulnerable groups are there because of their lifestyle obesity being the main one, the amount of obese people working in the public sector is unreal yet these people are in many cases on the frontline in the fight against this.
You would think by now that people would have got the message that being a fat knacker is not good, but no you still see them waddling into Gregs etc and leaving with a box of doughnuts if people aren’t prepared to help themselves then why should others suffer the young in particular, the difference in my children since going back to school is like night and day, confining children for months at a time is no solution.

How far do you take that?
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Should I pay tax and National Insurance to keep the ill alive?
Only get treatment to the value of my previous payment?
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Should someone over weight be refused treatment for a duff knee?
What then? Wait until they are too crippled to work and let them starve? Or put them on a diet? Lock them up if they don’t stick to it?.
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Whole can of worms about what society is, and civil Rights and Responsibilities.
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Franglais:

Mazzer2:
So to protect the vulnerable everyone should suffer? Aside from the elderly who cannot change their age a lot of those in vulnerable groups are there because of their lifestyle obesity being the main one, the amount of obese people working in the public sector is unreal yet these people are in many cases on the frontline in the fight against this.
You would think by now that people would have got the message that being a fat knacker is not good, but no you still see them waddling into Gregs etc and leaving with a box of doughnuts if people aren’t prepared to help themselves then why should others suffer the young in particular, the difference in my children since going back to school is like night and day, confining children for months at a time is no solution.

How far do you take that?
.
Should I pay tax and National Insurance to keep the ill alive?
Only get treatment to the value of my previous payment?
.
Should someone over weight be refused treatment for a duff knee?
What then? Wait until they are too crippled to work and let them starve? Or put them on a diet? Lock them up if they don’t stick to it?.
.
Whole can of worms about what society is, and civil Rights and Responsibilities.
.

If your duff knee is a result of being overweight and you have refused to do something about it then yes there should be a penalty.
As for rights and responsibilities to many want the rights without the responsibilities, we pay tax to cover all but take the situation of my friends daughter who at 29 years is morbidly obese and has already taken more medication than the majority of us will take in a lifetime yet still has takeaways as her main diet happy to access free medication but not so happy help herself. I would happily see my taxes go to her to put her on a regime to help her because in the long run that would be cheaper, but in this day and age there is no excuse for her diet.

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Mazzer2:

Franglais:

Mazzer2:
So to protect the vulnerable everyone should suffer? Aside from the elderly who cannot change their age a lot of those in vulnerable groups are there because of their lifestyle obesity being the main one, the amount of obese people working in the public sector is unreal yet these people are in many cases on the frontline in the fight against this.
You would think by now that people would have got the message that being a fat knacker is not good, but no you still see them waddling into Gregs etc and leaving with a box of doughnuts if people aren’t prepared to help themselves then why should others suffer the young in particular, the difference in my children since going back to school is like night and day, confining children for months at a time is no solution.

How far do you take that?
.
Should I pay tax and National Insurance to keep the ill alive?
Only get treatment to the value of my previous payment?
.
Should someone over weight be refused treatment for a duff knee?
What then? Wait until they are too crippled to work and let them starve? Or put them on a diet? Lock them up if they don’t stick to it?.
.
Whole can of worms about what society is, and civil Rights and Responsibilities.
.

If your duff knee is a result of being overweight and you have refused to do something about it then yes there should be a penalty.
As for rights and responsibilities to many want the rights without the responsibilities, we pay tax to cover all but take the situation of my friends daughter who at 29 years is morbidly obese and has already taken more medication than the majority of us will take in a lifetime yet still has takeaways as her main diet happy to access free medication but not so happy help herself. I would happily see my taxes go to her to put her on a regime to help her because in the long run that would be cheaper, but in this day and age there is no excuse for her diet.

It’s easier to point at individual cases we may agree on, but harder to draw general rules.
Should drinkers of alcohol be treated?
Remember Georgie Best getting a transplant? But what if someone drinks only a few pints of beer?
Smokers? Treatment or not? Maybe ban the sale of tobacco?
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I’m not saying you don’t have a very valid point to make, but I doubt there is much of an answer to it in a free society?

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Smokers and drinkers do contribute through the levels of taxation on these two products put the same levels of taxation on fast food and I would be more than happy for obese people to continue waddling around, the current cost of obesity to the NHS is roughly £5bn per year and rising add in to that the fact that a good percentage of obese don’t work due to their ‘condition’ and so don’t contribute then yes they are a needless drain on resources.

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I don’t think so. Viruses may rise and fall in waves, but they don’t die out.

I am not saying I think herd immunity is a good idea and of course a vaccine is the best method for everyone but unless I am mistaken herd immunity works in the way I mentioned by eventually dying out because once enough people have become immune the virus has nowhere to go?

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andy187:

Win-Stone:
Is it time for people to begin looking at Covid with their eyes open?

Fact: In the year 2009/10, more people died of the Flu than have thus far been killed by Covid.

Fact: The Governments’ own figures give an average mortality age of OVER 80 YEARS OLD!

Fact: Number of people who have died, where Covid has been mentioned on the death certificate is approximately 0.07%
Yes. Not 7%, not 70% but fractions of 1%!

Fact: Of the people who have died where Covid 19 has been mentioned on the death certificate, approximately 50% lived in Care homes

Do the maths. That means that, in the general population, the number of deaths is approximately 0.037%!

Fractions of one percent yet the Media, and The Government (!) go on as if there are bodies piling up on street corners, yet the number of people who have died is less than a quarter of the number of people who would be in Wembley for something like an FA Cup final!

Can we PLEASE start getting some flipping context and a bit of common sense applied!

Where do you get these facts from?
According to WHO and John Hopkins Medicines

Coronavirus vs. Flu Deaths
COVID-19: There have been approximately 961,273 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 199,513, people have died of COVID-19 between January 2020 and September 21, 2020.*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.

*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.

I would rather listen and read their news than Karen on Facebook

All of the figures I have given are from THE GOVERNMENT!!

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Win-Stone:

andy187:

Win-Stone:
Is it time for people to begin looking at Covid with their eyes open?

Fact: In the year 2009/10, more people died of the Flu than have thus far been killed by Covid.

Fact: The Governments’ own figures give an average mortality age of OVER 80 YEARS OLD!

Fact: Number of people who have died, where Covid has been mentioned on the death certificate is approximately 0.07%
Yes. Not 7%, not 70% but fractions of 1%!

Fact: Of the people who have died where Covid 19 has been mentioned on the death certificate, approximately 50% lived in Care homes

Do the maths. That means that, in the general population, the number of deaths is approximately 0.037%!

Fractions of one percent yet the Media, and The Government (!) go on as if there are bodies piling up on street corners, yet the number of people who have died is less than a quarter of the number of people who would be in Wembley for something like an FA Cup final!

Can we PLEASE start getting some flipping context and a bit of common sense applied!

Where do you get these facts from?
According to WHO and John Hopkins Medicines

Coronavirus vs. Flu Deaths
COVID-19: There have been approximately 961,273 deaths reported worldwide. In the U.S, 199,513, people have died of COVID-19 between January 2020 and September 21, 2020.*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.

*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.

I would rather listen and read their news than Karen on Facebook

All of the figures I have given are from THE GOVERNMENT!!

0.07% of what? The total UK population?
Only 8% are thought to have C19, so far.
If left alone many more will contract it and may be unaffected, become ill, or die. If ten times more people get it (80% of the pop) then ten time more may die.
So, 0.7% percent of the population?
Wembley? More like Leeds.
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Leeds population dead.
Leeds population needing intensive care to survive.
Double or treble that needing lesser care and needing time off work.
Many needing on going care and having shortened lives.
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It ain’t just a few oldies passing away a few weeks prematurely.

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Franglais:

Win-Stone:

andy187:

Win-Stone:
Is it time for people to begin looking at Covid with their eyes open?

Fact: In the year 2009/10, more people died of the Flu than have thus far been killed by Covid.

Fact: The Governments’ own figures give an average mortality age of OVER 80 YEARS OLD!

Fact: Number of people who have died, where Covid has been mentioned on the death certificate is approximately 0.07%
Yes. Not 7%, not 70% but fractions of 1%!

Fact: Of the people who have died where Covid 19 has been mentioned on the death certificate, approximately 50% lived in Care homes

Do the maths. That means that, in the general population, the number of deaths is approximately 0.037%!

Fractions of one percent yet the Media, and The Government (!) go on as if there are bodies piling up on street corners, yet the number of people who have died is less than a quarter of the number of people who would be in Wembley for something like an FA Cup final!

Can we PLEASE start getting some flipping context and a bit of common sense applied!

Where do you get these facts from?

/ EDIT /

All of the figures I have given are from THE GOVERNMENT!!

0.07% of what? The total UK population?
Only 8% are thought to have C19, so far.
If left alone many more will contract it and may be unaffected, become ill, or die. If ten times more people get it (80% of the pop) then ten time more may die.
So, 0.7% percent of the population?
Wembley? More like Leeds.
.
Leeds population dead.
Leeds population needing intensive care to survive.
Double or treble that needing lesser care and needing time off work.
Many needing on going care and having shortened lives.
.
It ain’t just a few oldies passing away a few weeks prematurely.

According to Government figures (and, to be specific, I’m talking the Westminster morons, not the Holyrood, Cardiff or Stormont morons) the total number of people who have died, where Covid is mentioned on the cert is, currently, less than 50,000.

50,000 as a percentage of the population of Great Britian (current population, in excess of 67,000,000) is, 0.0746269%. of the population. (for the pedants out there, 0.0746269 is actually 50,000.23 and I am aware that you can’t really have .23 of a person but, hey, it’s near enough!)

The Office for National Statistics gives the AVERAGE age for mortality to be over 80 years of age.

Every scientific study has shown that, where people are fit and healthy, Covid is NOT serious. Where it is serious is where you have underlying health problems, are morbildly obese, or are old.

FACT… NO-ONE has EVER developed a successful vaccine against a Corona virus Want proof? Influenza is a Corona virus. It mutates every year and still kills millions, across the globe every year. Are we close to ‘beating’ 'Flu? I don’t think so. World renown Epidemiologists and world renown Microbiologists have all said the same thing: Do NOT bank on a vaccine.

FACT… Covid is here to stay. We can’t get rid of it and it will not go away of it’s own accord. For millennia, virus have been invading humans and using them as hosts; for millennia our immune systems have been fighting to keep us alive.
We have had vaccines for decades: MMR and Salk to name but two. Each of those have been widely available for decades yet people still catch Measles,Mumps, Polio, Rubella etc. So any vaccine which MAY be developed by the scientists in the next few years is not going to kill the virus.

Simple question: Do we, as a society, or a species, want to carry on with restrictions ad infinitum or do we want to get on with our lives?

Final comment: Epidemiologists have been warning for years that, due to the ever closer interaction of humans and animals, a virus was going to jump species into the human population which will have a devastating effect. When such an event happens, projections give resultant deaths at in excess of 50 or 60 percent of the Worlds’ population!

Read that again people — 50 to 60 PERCENT OF ALL HUMANS ON THE PLANET!

Covid 19 is NOT that virus.

Lets’ get on with life for forks sake!

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Every scientific study has shown that, where people are fit and healthy, Covid is NOT serious. Where it is serious is where you have underlying health problems, are morbildly obese, or are old.

That is certainly not true. For the vast majority of people maybe but there have been plenty fit and healthy people (of all ages including 20’s) that have died and that also have major on going problems since catching the virus. Personally I know a guy in his early 50’s who caught it in April was hospitilised and nearly died. He is now still suffering badly and cannot function correctly on a daily basis.This being a new virus means they have no idea of the long term effect it will have on humans if they catch it.

You are correct they have never manufactured a vaccine for any corona virus yet but it seems they are extremely confident one will be available and will work (it already is in testing) and will be available by the end of the year to those who most need it and then to the general public next springish!

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Nip into ladbrokes and stick a tenner on a footballer dyijg with covid see what odds you geycompared to a lad at 5 with cancer and on chemo…

Use your brains ffs.
As statedits a flu albe it a bigger more harmful one but pull up yourpants and go about it or stay at home. Its your choice.

Just dont moan about it.

Sick of hearing about it.

Ive not had a day off since january and im asgood as gold.

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Masks beacme mandatory - infection rates rose. BOOM there ya go :laughing:

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Win-Stone:

Franglais:

Win-Stone:

andy187:

Win-Stone:
Is it time for people to begin looking at Covid with their eyes open?

Fact: In the year 2009/10, more people died of the Flu than have thus far been killed by Covid.

Fact: The Governments’ own figures give an average mortality age of OVER 80 YEARS OLD!

Fact: Number of people who have died, where Covid has been mentioned on the death certificate is approximately 0.07%
Yes. Not 7%, not 70% but fractions of 1%!

Fact: Of the people who have died where Covid 19 has been mentioned on the death certificate, approximately 50% lived in Care homes

Do the maths. That means that, in the general population, the number of deaths is approximately 0.037%!

Fractions of one percent yet the Media, and The Government (!) go on as if there are bodies piling up on street corners, yet the number of people who have died is less than a quarter of the number of people who would be in Wembley for something like an FA Cup final!

Can we PLEASE start getting some flipping context and a bit of common sense applied!

Where do you get these facts from?

/ EDIT /

All of the figures I have given are from THE GOVERNMENT!!

0.07% of what? The total UK population?
Only 8% are thought to have C19, so far.
If left alone many more will contract it and may be unaffected, become ill, or die. If ten times more people get it (80% of the pop) then ten time more may die.
So, 0.7% percent of the population?
Wembley? More like Leeds.
.
Leeds population dead.
Leeds population needing intensive care to survive.
Double or treble that needing lesser care and needing time off work.
Many needing on going care and having shortened lives.
.
It ain’t just a few oldies passing away a few weeks prematurely.

According to Government figures (and, to be specific, I’m talking the Westminster morons, not the Holyrood, Cardiff or Stormont morons) the total number of people who have died, where Covid is mentioned on the cert is, currently, less than 50,000.

50,000 as a percentage of the population of Great Britian (current population, in excess of 67,000,000) is, 0.0746269%. of the population. (for the pedants out there, 0.0746269 is actually 50,000.23 and I am aware that you can’t really have .23 of a person but, hey, it’s near enough!)

The Office for National Statistics gives the AVERAGE age for mortality to be over 80 years of age.

Every scientific study has shown that, where people are fit and healthy, Covid is NOT serious. Where it is serious is where you have underlying health problems, are morbildly obese, or are old.

FACT… NO-ONE has EVER developed a successful vaccine against a Corona virus Want proof? Influenza is a Corona virus. It mutates every year and still kills millions, across the globe every year. Are we close to ‘beating’ 'Flu? I don’t think so. World renown Epidemiologists and world renown Microbiologists have all said the same thing: Do NOT bank on a vaccine.

FACT… Covid is here to stay. We can’t get rid of it and it will not go away of it’s own accord. For millennia, virus have been invading humans and using them as hosts; for millennia our immune systems have been fighting to keep us alive.
We have had vaccines for decades: MMR and Salk to name but two. Each of those have been widely available for decades yet people still catch Measles,Mumps, Polio, Rubella etc. So any vaccine which MAY be developed by the scientists in the next few years is not going to kill the virus.

Simple question: Do we, as a society, or a species, want to carry on with restrictions ad infinitum or do we want to get on with our lives?

Final comment: Epidemiologists have been warning for years that, due to the ever closer interaction of humans and animals, a virus was going to jump species into the human population which will have a devastating effect. When such an event happens, projections give resultant deaths at in excess of 50 or 60 percent of the Worlds’ population!

Read that again people — 50 to 60 PERCENT OF ALL HUMANS ON THE PLANET!

Covid 19 is NOT that virus.

Lets’ get on with life for forks sake!

2019 just under 500,000 deaths.
C19 this year, 50,000.
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I think those two figures are more relevant than comparing C19 deaths to total population.

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jakethesnake:
Every scientific study has shown that, where people are fit and healthy, Covid is NOT serious. Where it is serious is where you have underlying health problems, are morbildly obese, or are old.

That is certainly not true. For the vast majority of people maybe but there have been plenty fit and healthy people (of all ages including 20’s) that have died and that also have major on going problems since catching the virus. Personally I know a guy in his early 50’s who caught it in April was hospitilised and nearly died. He is now still suffering badly and cannot function correctly on a daily basis.This being a new virus means they have no idea of the long term effect it will have on humans if they catch it.

You are correct they have never manufactured a vaccine for any corona virus yet but it seems they are extremely confident one will be available and will work (it already is in testing) and will be available by the end of the year to those who most need it and then to the general public next springish!

Ok, I admit that, perhaps serious was, on this occasion, the incorrect terminology. What I should have said was not fatal. And, I accept, there is a huge difference between the two.
I have every sympathy with the guy in his 50’s: Obvious point is that he is getting into the range where the virus is at its most virulent - but, and pardon me for stating the obvious - the guy is still alive!

I agree that people who are ‘fit and healthy’ have suffered but, and it’s a BIG but ---- According to the ONS, of people under the age of 40, where Covid has been mentioned on the certificate, only 14 – FOURTEEN — were subsequently proven to NOT have an undiagnosed underlying health condition. Don’t forget that countless people around the world, and not just in this country, have underlying health conditions which they are totally unaware of! Obvious example - people who have borderline Diabetes but put their general lethargy down to work/stress/life. etc.

And, on the subject of vaccines, as recently as last week a world renown Oxford Professor of Microbiology (I can’t remember his name but could dig it out if needed) was openly saying (and I’m paraphrasing) “Vaccine? Never going to happen!”
Why will it not happen? Because the virus attacks different people in different ways and the scientists are at a loss to explain why. It is also why the Epidemiologists are saying that any vaccine is NOT going to work on the population. At current time they believe that any vaccine may - stress may - work “with up to” 40% of the general population.