dave docwra:
Bewick:
I only hope Boris dosen’t back peddle on the date we are officially due to leave the EU on 31/12/21 ! Cheers Dennis.
Hi Dennis, You trying to keep us in for a bit longer?
Dave.
Dennis I don’t think that BoJo is one for backing down, he always wanted to leave with out a deal IMHO so lets hope that’s what happens, on another note we are not the only country struggling with this Corona virus thing and it going to have a huge financial hit on the EU just the same as here. there will have to be some considerable period of regeneration after and when this Covid19 has been defeated its going to knock them just as hard as us in a period of recovery.
When you look at all those in the EU that locked down there borders what does this say about one big unified state, not a lot as it is every country for itself no unity at all but that’s just me looking in and at the end of the day I suppose they are trying to assert some control on movement of people.
When this is over I think we will be looking at a completely different picture and at the moment I reckon with his advisors Boris is doing a fantastic job and does not deserve the sniping from the opposition, thank heavens its not Corbin and gang in charge, Buzzer
“the social media and news broadcasts make the panic situation far worse than it need be”
Hi Buzzer, Channel 4 News yesterday evening with Krishnan Guru Murphy and Matt Frei interviews with 3 different people they utterly failed to get a negative response to the Government handling of the present situation from two of them, the third an NHS doctor then told it as it is, the NHS are not well prepared and lacking in quantity of just about everything needed to cope, which I don’t doubt. The point I am trying to make is why broadcast panic to the vulnerable who are already suffering with heightened anxiety.
Oily
Once this is all over I think it would be beneficial to all if the financing of the NHS could be reconsidered.
Doubtless what I write now will not be popular but I feel it is time for changes. Perhaps free visits to the Doctor for all might need to be changed to a system where what you earn influences what you pay. Prescription charges too. Perhaps Doctor´s appointments not kept should incur cash penalties. Those amongst us who really are not well paid would continue to receive free treatment. Those who have a good income should pay, perhaps a couple of different rates depending on that income. How much I do not know, but we have under-funded the NHS for far too long. People are living longer (thanks to the NHS!) and more ailments can be healed. It all puts costs up and our payments in to the system have not, in my opinion, kept pace.
oiltreader:
“the social media and news broadcasts make the panic situation far worse than it need be”
Hi Buzzer, Channel 4 News yesterday evening with Krishnan Guru Murphy and Matt Frei interviews with 3 different people they utterly failed to get a negative response to the Government handling of the present situation from two of them, the third an NHS doctor then told it as it is, the NHS are not well prepared and lacking in quantity of just about everything needed to cope, which I don’t doubt. The point I am trying to make is why broadcast panic to the vulnerable who are already suffering with heightened anxiety.
Oily
What do you suggest?
Censor news that makes the Government look bad?
Stop debate on the correct level of funding?
Calling out under-funding, by a frontline health worker, is NOT inciting panic, it is being honest with an adult audience.
Franglais:
oiltreader:
“the social media and news broadcasts make the panic situation far worse than it need be”
Hi Buzzer, Channel 4 News yesterday evening with Krishnan Guru Murphy and Matt Frei interviews with 3 different people they utterly failed to get a negative response to the Government handling of the present situation from two of them, the third an NHS doctor then told it as it is, the NHS are not well prepared and lacking in quantity of just about everything needed to cope, which I don’t doubt. The point I am trying to make is why broadcast panic to the vulnerable who are already suffering with heightened anxiety.
Oily
What do you suggest?
Censor news that makes the Government look bad?
Stop debate on the correct level of funding?
Calling out under-funding, by a frontline health worker, is NOT inciting panic, it is being honest with an adult audience.
Franglais
“What do you suggest?”
You have concocted an NHS underfunding argument, the interview was about the Government doing enough about the present situation with regard to the Chancellor’s statement and the subsequent daily bulletins.
“Censor news that makes the Government look bad?”
Absolutely not when there are grounds for such reporting.
“Stop debate on the correct level of funding?”
No debate on funding in the interview,
“Calling out under-funding, by a frontline health worker, is NOT inciting panic, it is being honest with an adult audience.”
The NHS frontline worker was stressing the lack of PPE for staff also ventilators and beds with dire consequences for for the elderly and those with underlying health problems, that part of the broadcast had little or no consideration for the those prone anxiety.
Oily
oiltreader:
Franglais
“What do you suggest?”
You have concocted an NHS underfunding argument, the interview was about the Government doing enough about the present situation with regard to the Chancellor’s statement and the subsequent daily bulletins.
“Censor news that makes the Government look bad?”
Absolutely not when there are grounds for such reporting.
“Stop debate on the correct level of funding?”
No debate on funding in the interview,
“Calling out under-funding, by a frontline health worker, is NOT inciting panic, it is being honest with an adult audience.”
The NHS frontline worker was stressing the lack of PPE for staff also ventilators and beds with dire consequences for for the elderly and those with underlying health problems, that part of the broadcast had little or no consideration for the those prone anxiety.
Oily
Seems to me that when we have funding levels that accept we have patients being treated in corridors, and queuing in ambulances every winter, then it is not me concocting an underfunding case.
Th speed of our Govs response and its apparent slowness to stop movement earlier, even now seeming less urgent and less stringent than other western countries, seems a fit topic to me.
There is clearly a level of preparedness to meet all eventualities, however unlikely, that wont be met. Investing in hospitals to stand idle "just in case", has a cost we might not be happy with. However, I do think our low UK levels of available beds is due to years of underfunding. . It is totally rational to be anxious at the moment! Anyone who isnt is probably in denial regarding the seriousness of the situation.
I haven`t been out stocking up, nor worrying any of my vulnerable relatives unnecessarily. I do though, talk to them about staying in isolation, and taking appropriate preventive action. Being worried about a serious situation helps make a sensible and cautious attitude to it.
Bewick:
gingerfold:
cav551:
gingerfold:
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Most sites we collect from have imposed identical restrictions… illegal or otherwise.
ukhaulier.co.uk/news/road-t … acilities/
Interesting scenario… a company owned by Turners refusing to deliver to Turners’ main depot. Seriously though, there has been some relaxation of the lockdown at Newmarket. Drivers do have access to toilets.
Hiya GF,
Having been out of the industry for 25 years I am not surprised in the slightest that stupidity such as banning Drivers from basic facilities has irrupted ! I know the simplest form of reaction wold be for a driver to crap in the waiting room !! Bit extreme I know but I believe it would be most effective and would bring the stupidity to an abrupt and proper conclusion ! Plus excluding Drivers from RDC canteens whoever decided this one should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. This is a time when everyone should pull together and not throw up stupid and agonistic rules such as that which is described ! Rant over Cheers Bewick.
Hi Dennis, I agree that such restrictions are completely unnecessary, common sense has prevailed at some sites.
I’m totally confused about what’s happening…are we heading for Armageddon or what? We have the relaxation on driver’s hours and rest breaks, which I haven’t fully digested yet. We’re actually coping very well with the extra food volumes, and journey times are shorter on many journeys because traffic is not as heavy. Things might change in a week or two if the virus spreads as predicted. All MoT tests have been cancelled until June at the earliest, how we catch up on those later this year will be a nightmare. I’ve been involved in this industry all my working life, and mostly in the food transport and distribution sector, but I’ve never experienced anything like this. Back in the winter of discontent of 1979 certain plans were drawn up by the then government for keeping the nation fed, but they were never implemented. I have been wondering if those blueprints still exist and if they have been dusted off.
Personally I’m very concerned about all of this; to use the time honoured phrase I have put my affairs in order this week, so stay safe Dennis and everyone and lets hope and pray that we can come through this.
GF as you know my boys are in the same game as you distributing food but on a more minor roll but it is not without its problems, tizz true journey times are far better than normal due to the lack of traffic on the roads at present which is a good thing but we have found that sometimes when we have gone to pick up a scheduled load it was not ready to staff not turning up to process the order, this is frustrating to say the least when all we are trying our hardest to do is keep every one happy, this happened to us with one of ours last night and in the end he got loaded on the third attempt at two different sites and for a completely different destination, I have to take my hat of to our drivers for the sterling service they are providing and none are wanting to scive off home on a wim of a sneeze which I think is happening else ware from reports I hear. Without road transport especially third party hauliers replacing food and other stocks nationwide we would be in some sorry state, we are not alone here with normally unsung departments all doing there bit such as NHS, farming and many others all contributing to keeping old Blighty going.
It is sad to see lines of people outside supermarkets who get out of bed at six AM to get in the stores first many of whom don’t get out of bed to go to a job because they are too dam lazy, we need change to this system in this country. On another note maybe all these cooking programs we have to endure on television of late will be of some use and people will start to prepare and cook wholesome food like in the old days and now they cannot say we don’t have the time.
As for MOT’s on trucks this I can see as a problem looming in the future, one has to pre book an appointment for annual some three months in advance before this crisis occurred so heavens knows what it will be like after this is all sorted, most tests now are done in dealerships across the country after the DOT decided they were no longer going to run purpose built test facilities. On more than one occasion we have lost a test booking as the DOT tester has failed to turn up and the cost of this is far higher now dealerships do the tests as you are probably aware, anyway we must persevere with the good work and hope this ends sooner than later and I bet Dennis in his castle with his bottle of malt is well glad not to be involved in the transport world anymore, cheers Buzzer
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Hi Buzzer, I fully agree with and endorse your comments about drivers rallying round and rising to the challenge. One of mine had booked some holiday weeks ago for next week, and he has offered to cancel it and work instead. There are delays at some suppliers caused by extra orders and that can be frustrating for drivers. I think that next week will be interesting if these high volumes continue.
gingerfold:
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Hi Buzzer, I fully agree with and endorse your comments about drivers rallying round and rising to the challenge. One of mine had booked some holiday weeks ago for next week, and he has offered to cancel it and work instead. There are delays at some suppliers caused by extra orders and that can be frustrating for drivers. I think that next week will be interesting if these high volumes continue.
One good thing is that the stuff inside the bottle is not contaminated.
I expect the booze shelves are cleared.Folk don’t realise that if you’ve got it a truck brought it.We’d be starving if these so called save the world who wants to send the stuff by rail,by the time the cargo get’s to it’s destination it would have all gone off and mother’s would get their flowers at Christmas.
I always think that all these moaners say about the handling of this problem and also say how they would manage a football team so WHAT WOULD THEY DO ? I wish there was a documentry on the T.V. about the workings of the haulage industry on all aspects i.e.Tippers,tankers full of wine which has different labels on the bottles and experts say it has say " loveley fruity and a hint of honey flavour" I suppose it’s good that we are able to put the stuff for them to taste.I must admit that perhaps we all like a glass when we go out for a meal and get ripped off.I live a few yards off the A 50 at Doveridge.If there is a ruck of lorries moving then it means that the country is busy
TONY
Just seen this on FB 60km tail back German/Polish border waiting time approx. two days and no facilities at all, Buzzer
Hi all,
These are scary surreal times.In my home town on the sunny South Wales coast today,it was like a bank holiday,fairground open very busy,ques for chip shops etc.Great for traders,though am I wrong,saying it’s wrong? Afaiaa government advice was only essential travel.I think the government are doing all they can,though wouldn’t it pass more quickly and maybe less severe,if we all listened to them ? I’ve read that Germany has contained it very well by adopting this approach,fairly early on.Italy has a huge problem.
Regards Andrew.
I am really shocked to read some of these stories. Not for the UK Governments plan to fund the working class for months ahead, not for the tax breaks and mortgage holidays, but the sudden realisation that Chris Webb has lost his millionaire status on the IOM and all those dodgy neets have been squandered rather than squirrelled . On the plus side my wife and I will meet him in Spoons in Thirsk on the other side of this debacle.
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pete 359:
Hi all,
These are scary surreal times.In my home town on the sunny South Wales coast today,it was like a bank holiday,fairground open very busy,ques for chip shops etc.Great for traders,though am I wrong,saying it’s wrong? Afaiaa government advice was only essential travel.I think the government are doing all they can,though wouldn’t it pass more quickly and maybe less severe,if we all listened to them ? I’ve read that Germany has contained it very well by adopting this approach,fairly early on.Italy has a huge problem.
Regards Andrew.
Must be the same stupid selfish people that have stocked up to self isolate, now going out to speed the disease on its way.
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Country has gone mad. An example of how not to behave as a society.
Reading the above does not really surprise me.
People seem to be selfish and live only for the moment. Thus we have so many with zero savings, hoping that the government will pick up the pieces for them should things go wrong. In this instance I imagine they are thinking that the NHS will care for them should their foolish behaviour lead to infection-and they will not need to shell out another penny for the selfless, devoted treatment the NHS staff will give them. All this awful behaviour disgusts me.
Please, we the older (for the most part here) and, it really seems, the wiser can and should set an example in our behaviour in this crisis.
On another note am I the only one to note that spam on the internet seems to have dried up?
Reading in the paper the french minster macron impounded 3 trucks bound for U.K. with masks,and other stuff for the nhs one truck had sanitizer on his guards were told to impound as they needed the masks over there .till the U.K. intervened he reckons a mistake was made by his guards ,goes to show they would have stripped them trucks for themselves,yesterday by me on a lay by in Pyle 4 Asda artics parked up waiting to go to the store if this carry on we be going onto convoys next , the nhs when this is over should have funding put their way cut ministers pay in half and give it to the nhs
smallcoal:
Reading in the paper the french minster macron impounded 3 trucks bound for U.K. with masks,and other stuff for the nhs one truck had sanitizer on his guards were told to impound as they needed the masks over there .till the U.K. intervened he reckons a mistake was made by his guards ,goes to show they would have stripped them trucks for themselves,yesterday by me on a lay by in Pyle 4 Asda artics parked up waiting to go to the store if this carry on we be going onto convoys next , the nhs when this is over should have funding put their way cut ministers pay in half and give it to the nhs
Knowing France well I can imagine then French government would try to get the kit for themselves-it really does do its best for French citizens, mostly placing them above other considerations. Thus the rapid repatriation of citizens around the world recently. Unlike our people in Peru… I wish our government did likewise for us all the time.
NHS funding. Yes, it must be reviewed and increased. But where will the money be sourced? It must be from us in increased contributions and, as I said in an earlier post in this thread, by those who can afford it (and I think most could afford a modest sum) contributing further when at the Docs or being treated. Why this instead of simply raising tax levels? Because it may cause people to think before they toddle off the Doctor and perhaps clog the system up un-necessacarily.
Dipster:
smallcoal:
Reading in the paper the french minster macron impounded 3 trucks bound for U.K. with masks,and other stuff for the nhs one truck had sanitizer on his guards were told to impound as they needed the masks over there .till the U.K. intervened he reckons a mistake was made by his guards ,goes to show they would have stripped them trucks for themselves,yesterday by me on a lay by in Pyle 4 Asda artics parked up waiting to go to the store if this carry on we be going onto convoys next , the nhs when this is over should have funding put their way cut ministers pay in half and give it to the nhs
Knowing France well I can imagine then French government would try to get the kit for themselves-it really does do its best for French citizens, mostly placing them above other considerations. Thus the rapid repatriation of citizens around the world recently. Unlike our people in Peru… I wish our government did likewise for us all the time.
NHS funding. Yes, it must be reviewed and increased. But where will the money be sourced? It must be from us in increased contributions and, as I said in an earlier post in this thread, by those who can afford it (and I think most could afford a modest sum) contributing further when at the Docs or being treated. Why this instead of simply raising tax levels? Because it may cause people to think before they toddle off the Doctor and perhaps clog the system up un-necessacarily.
More funding? Yes.
Those who need to visit twice as often, need to pay twice as much? Crazy.
Do some visit for silly reasons? Yes, but in your suggestion, silly poor people would still abuse the system.
There may well be a problem with abuse of the system, but taking more money from sick middle income earners is not the way to go.
Those who have more money, pay more? Yes. that is what progressive income tax is for.
Also there is a public health issue here: if poorer people cant get ready care they delay early cheap treatments and end up needing expensive remedies later. Poor sick pay means some will be heroes and work on, doing further damage to backs and joints, ending up worse off and for longer. Yes, more funding, and unfortunately there will be some abuse, but that is the way of the world. Stopping some abuse by making more suffer and costing more overall isnt a good solution.
Dipster:
Reading the above does not really surprise me.
People seem to be selfish and live only for the moment. Thus we have so many with zero savings, hoping that the government will pick up the pieces for them should things go wrong. In this instance I imagine they are thinking that the NHS will care for them should their foolish behaviour lead to infection-and they will not need to shell out another penny for the selfless, devoted treatment the NHS staff will give them. All this awful behaviour disgusts me.
Please, we the older (for the most part here) and, it really seems, the wiser can and should set an example in our behaviour in this crisis.
On another note am I the only one to note that spam on the internet seems to have dried up?
folk flocking to Skegness as well ffs spreading the disease not a brain cell in sight 
…just accelerating the need for a total lockdown ■■■■■■■ idiots 
smallcoal:
Reading in the paper the french minster macron impounded 3 trucks bound for U.K. with masks,and other stuff for the nhs one truck had sanitizer on his guards were told to impound as they needed the masks over there .till the U.K. intervened he reckons a mistake was made by his guards ,goes to show they would have stripped them trucks for themselves,yesterday by me on a lay by in Pyle 4 Asda artics parked up waiting to go to the store if this carry on we be going onto convoys next , the nhs when this is over should have funding put their way cut ministers pay in half and give it to the nhs
What sort of comment is that?
In France the supermarkets haven`t had their shelves stripped bare. The streets are very quiet as people stay indoors to contain the spread.
The authorities are clearly aiding us in sending much needed supplies here, and you post comments like that!
"However another source told the newspaper: 'Both incidents were dealt with relatively quickly.
'There is a clear understanding between countries that only a united approach will tackle the public health emergency all countries face.
'It appears to have been a misunderstanding, we’re confident it won’t happen again '"
dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … itain.html
We wouldn`t want to frighten people with exaggerated or misleading information, would we?
