Couldn`t resist looking at the others!
Stephen Kinnock visited his parents, but stayed distant from them in their garden. Robert Jenrick also visited his parents. Both said they were delivering supplies…
Rosie Duffield also broke the rules by meeting someone from outside her household, and
“The MP said she took responsibility for her actions and would quit her role as an opposition whip in the Commons.” BBC.
Notice the differences?
Franglais:
Couldn`t resist looking at the others!
Stephen Kinnock visited his parents, but stayed distant from them in their garden. Robert Jenrick also visited his parents. Both said they were delivering supplies…
Rosie Duffield also broke the rules by meeting someone from outside her household, and
“The MP said she took responsibility for her actions and would quit her role as an opposition whip in the Commons.” BBC.
Notice the differences?
Ur havin a laugh when you say Steven Kinnock was delivering supplies, does he work for Ocado now. Both his parents and him have made a fortune from the EU they could afford deliveries flown in by air so pull the other one.
The reason that ■■■■■■■■ has been treated like this is he is not a very personally liked being, he is arrogant and to boot he did have a major hand in Brexit what ever you think, if he made apology do you think it would have made any difference I doubt that very much, Buzzer
ramone:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Not just ■■■■■■■■ at fault of flaunting the rules but not much heard about the other offenders eh, was it really about Brexit, BuzzerTahir Ali, went to a funeral. Others attending were gathered into socially distant family groups. He has apologised and said he won`t do it again.
Vaughan Gething? Went for a walk in his local park with his family. Daily exercise, surely? Anything else he is alleged to have done?
Ian Blackford, returned home from Parliament, within the rules, as did Rees Mogg and other Pro Brexit MPs.First 3 done. Can`t be arsed to look at the others.
None of them were moving around after contact with a suspected COVID victim, or indeed transporting an infected person around.
Is it about Brexit? No.
It was about lies and truth. Now it seems to about lies, truth, and now fake news being spun to protect those spinning those lies.What about the journalists outside ■■■■■■■■ house hounding him about allegations of flaunting the very same rules they were flaunting?
The Gov website has been updated today, but I thought news reporters and broadcasters were key workers? Whether or not you think they should be, those are (I believe) the rules.
Are crowds of media reporters an endearing sight? I agree they arent. I dont defend those getting too close at all.
Pointing out their mistakes, doesn`t nullify the mistakes of ■■■■■■■■■
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Couldn`t resist looking at the others!
Stephen Kinnock visited his parents, but stayed distant from them in their garden. Robert Jenrick also visited his parents. Both said they were delivering supplies…
Rosie Duffield also broke the rules by meeting someone from outside her household, and
“The MP said she took responsibility for her actions and would quit her role as an opposition whip in the Commons.” BBC.
Notice the differences?Ur havin a laugh when you say Steven Kinnock was delivering supplies, does he work for Ocado now. Both his parents and him have made a fortune from the EU they could afford deliveries flown in by air so pull the other one.
The reason that ■■■■■■■■ has been treated like this is he is not a very personally liked being, he is arrogant and to boot he did have a major hand in Brexit what ever you think, if he made apology do you think it would have made any difference I doubt that very much, Buzzer
Look again.
I wrote that Kinnock and Jenrick both said they were delivering supplies. I never said they were. I left that line of …as a bit of a clue! 
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■■■■■■■■ is being looked closely at here because he was at the heart of the Governments rule making over the lockdown. If he had held his hands up earlier, and said "sorry, I was wrong", this would all have been over by now, wouldnt it? This is a person that our weak PM needs more than he cares to admit. He is a powerful, but unelected figure in the Government, and if he is disliked, maybe some of us don`t like being taken for mugs?
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Couldn`t resist looking at the others!
Stephen Kinnock visited his parents, but stayed distant from them in their garden. Robert Jenrick also visited his parents. Both said they were delivering supplies…
Rosie Duffield also broke the rules by meeting someone from outside her household, and
“The MP said she took responsibility for her actions and would quit her role as an opposition whip in the Commons.” BBC.
Notice the differences?Ur havin a laugh when you say Steven Kinnock was delivering supplies, does he work for Ocado now. Both his parents and him have made a fortune from the EU they could afford deliveries flown in by air so pull the other one.
The reason that ■■■■■■■■ has been treated like this is he is not a very personally liked being, he is arrogant and to boot he did have a major hand in Brexit what ever you think, if he made apology do you think it would have made any difference I doubt that very much, BuzzerLook again.
I wrote that Kinnock and Jenrick both said they were delivering supplies. I never said they were. I left that line of …as a bit of a clue!
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■■■■■■■■ is being looked closely at here because he was at the heart of the Governments rule making over the lockdown. If he had held his hands up earlier, and said "sorry, I was wrong", this would all have been over by now, wouldnt it? This is a person that our weak PM needs more than he cares to admit. He is a powerful, but unelected figure in the Government, and if he is disliked, maybe some of us don`t like being taken for mugs?
Take it your not a Conservative voter then if you think Boris is weak, personally I would not want the job but was wondering who you would nominate to be in charge of our country, Buzzer
Buzzer:
Take it your not a Conservative voter then if you think Boris is weak, personally I would not want the job but was wondering who you would nominate to be in charge of our country, Buzzer
Who I choose to vote for is between me and the Ballot box. That is how our democracy should work.
However, your guesses may not taken as an insult by me!
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There are many honourable, capable and honest Conservatives out there. Johnson however, I don`t include as one of them.
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Who could do better than him?
Well, not far to look: Downing St itself can offer a candidate:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_(cat
Franglais:
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There are many honourable, capable and honest Conservatives out there. Johnson however, I don`t include as one of them.
Whilst I have never voted Tory - or Labour for that matter - I do remember when there were very many ‘honourable, capable and honest Conservatives’ where are they now ■■
Franglais:
oiltreader:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Is it too soon to relax movements ? BuzzerIf there is a second wave maybe it is because the Gov are rushing to remove restrictions?
They are ■■■■■■■ about getting their own “Track and Trace” phone app up and running when other types are available. They cant get the people for T&T trained correctly. The R number is still too high to allow relaxations. They were too late with lock down and allowed major sporting events to continue too long, they were shaking hands and behaving irresponsibly with their own lives and the publicslives. We now have pubic health officials, including members of SAGE saying it`s too soon.
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■■■■■■■■ and Johnson?Many questions still unanswered here, both about ■■■■■■■■ movements, and Johnson`s support of him.
(Some here if you are interested theguardian.com/politics/20 … is-johnson)But it is a question both of attitude from both ■■■■■■■■ and the Gov and it
s advice as a whole. "One rule for them, a different rule for us" stinks. Right or wrong some people will be more likely to flout rules if they see others, especially those in authority do so. ■■■■■■■■ did clearly break the rules: He left work to go home to his wife who had COVID symptoms, and then returned to work. Rules broken. Period. He then moved around when he suspected that he himself had COVID. . Looks like he broke other rules too during the Durham trip, but we have Johnson defending him to the hilt. And Johnsons defense of him is alienating the public and so risking their co-operation in any health rules.
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It isn`t in any way right that ■■■■■■■■ can be used as a perverse reason for some to be badly behaved, but getting rid of even a bad reason is surely a good thing?“We now have pubic health officials”
Ok Franglais it’s probably a typo, out to get Johnson and ■■■■■■■■ by the short and curlies no doubt [emoji38] [emoji38]
Oilyindependent.co.uk/news/heal … 41496.html
standard.co.uk/news/politic … 55796.html
Or if you don`t like those sources?
politicshome.com/news/artic … -are-eased
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And if you are interested at all in how the testing figures are being “spun” try this for a listen.
bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08f761q
All good stuff. Test data about 17min 30.
must be true if its on the bbc
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James.908:
must be true if its on the bbc
The BBC and those other sources I used are established and answerable sources. I put up the link so anyone who chooses can check them out.
These sources can be queried, and will issue corrections if wrong. They are liable to be sued if wrong, so are careful in their research, although being staffed by humans Im sure they arent always correct first time. .
I could have picked fault in the un-sourced screen shot that Buzzer put up, but it seemed just as easy to look at the truth and spin from other sources.
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So, generally the BBC does tell the truth.
It may be biased in what it chooses to report or edit out? But lies? I don`t think so.
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Franglais:
Buzzer:
Take it your not a Conservative voter then if you think Boris is weak, personally I would not want the job but was wondering who you would nominate to be in charge of our country, BuzzerWho I choose to vote for is between me and the Ballot box. That is how our democracy should work.
However, your guesses may not taken as an insult by me!
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There are many honourable, capable and honest Conservatives out there. Johnson however, I don`t include as one of them.
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Who could do better than him?
Well, not far to look: Downing St itself can offer a candidate:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_(cat
Now I am dumfounded as you would prefer a cat to be in charge of the country 
well it does look a bit like a cat but is really the devil so not that far removed from your opinion on Boris.
IMHO I don’t like the government or the house of Lords for that matter and would update the whole system, why not disband all political party’s and have say one or maybe two representatives per county according to size and see how we get on, you could still have a controller sat in the speakers chair to see fair play, do you think that idea would take off ? Buzzer.
Franglais:
ramone:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Not just ■■■■■■■■ at fault of flaunting the rules but not much heard about the other offenders eh, was it really about Brexit, BuzzerTahir Ali, went to a funeral. Others attending were gathered into socially distant family groups. He has apologised and said he won`t do it again.
Vaughan Gething? Went for a walk in his local park with his family. Daily exercise, surely? Anything else he is alleged to have done?
Ian Blackford, returned home from Parliament, within the rules, as did Rees Mogg and other Pro Brexit MPs.First 3 done. Can`t be arsed to look at the others.
None of them were moving around after contact with a suspected COVID victim, or indeed transporting an infected person around.
Is it about Brexit? No.
It was about lies and truth. Now it seems to about lies, truth, and now fake news being spun to protect those spinning those lies.What about the journalists outside ■■■■■■■■ house hounding him about allegations of flaunting the very same rules they were flaunting?
The Gov website has been updated today, but I thought news reporters and broadcasters were key workers? Whether or not you think they should be, those are (I believe) the rules.
Are crowds of media reporters an endearing sight? I agree they arent. I dont defend those getting too close at all.
Pointing out their mistakes, doesn`t nullify the mistakes of ■■■■■■■■■
So reporters can question wrongdoings by MPs but can do the same without question , whatever
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Take it your not a Conservative voter then if you think Boris is weak, personally I would not want the job but was wondering who you would nominate to be in charge of our country, BuzzerWho I choose to vote for is between me and the Ballot box. That is how our democracy should work.
However, your guesses may not taken as an insult by me!
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There are many honourable, capable and honest Conservatives out there. Johnson however, I don`t include as one of them.
.
Who could do better than him?
Well, not far to look: Downing St itself can offer a candidate:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_(catNow I am dumfounded as you would prefer a cat to be in charge of the country
IMHO I don’t like the government or the house of Lords for that matter and would update the whole system, why not disband all political party’s and have say one or maybe two representatives per county according to size and see how we get on, you could still have a controller sat in the speakers chair to see fair play, do you think that idea would take off ? Buzzer.
If we have a Parliamentary system, then I would prefer some form of Proportional Representation.
Not the arfarsed system proposed a few years ago though.
This is interesting if you have a bit of reading time spare:
makevotesmatter.org.uk/prop … esentation
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There seems to be a lot of merit in “Sortition” too.
We choose by “lottery” citizens to decide innocence/guilt in Law Courts (Juries). Why not the same system to listen to witnesses and decide on laws and governance?
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It may seem a novel and bizarre system at first, but is a change from the divisive, profession of politics we are seeing at the moment.
ramone:
Franglais:
The Gov website has been updated today, but I thought news reporters and broadcasters were key workers? Whether or not you think they should be, those are (I believe) the rules.
Are crowds of media reporters an endearing sight? I agree they arent. I dont defend those getting too close at all.
Pointing out their mistakes, doesn`t nullify the mistakes of ■■■■■■■■■So reporters can question wrongdoings by MPs but can do the same without question , whatever
It is the reporters job to question MPs and Gov employees.
If the reporters break rules, then they too should also be held to account of course.
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Take it your not a Conservative voter then if you think Boris is weak, personally I would not want the job but was wondering who you would nominate to be in charge of our country, BuzzerWho I choose to vote for is between me and the Ballot box. That is how our democracy should work.
However, your guesses may not taken as an insult by me!
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There are many honourable, capable and honest Conservatives out there. Johnson however, I don`t include as one of them.
.
Who could do better than him?
Well, not far to look: Downing St itself can offer a candidate:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_(catNow I am dumfounded as you would prefer a cat to be in charge of the country
IMHO I don’t like the government or the house of Lords for that matter and would update the whole system, why not disband all political party’s and have say one or maybe two representatives per county according to size and see how we get on, you could still have a controller sat in the speakers chair to see fair play, do you think that idea would take off ? Buzzer.
If you want 21st century change why not have proposals for legislation posted online followed by online discussions and then online voting to replace parliament? Just kidding… Honest. Imagine the internet trolls with that!
Dipster:
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Take it your not a Conservative voter then if you think Boris is weak, personally I would not want the job but was wondering who you would nominate to be in charge of our country, BuzzerWho I choose to vote for is between me and the Ballot box. That is how our democracy should work.
However, your guesses may not taken as an insult by me!
.
There are many honourable, capable and honest Conservatives out there. Johnson however, I don`t include as one of them.
.
Who could do better than him?
Well, not far to look: Downing St itself can offer a candidate:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_(catNow I am dumfounded as you would prefer a cat to be in charge of the country
IMHO I don’t like the government or the house of Lords for that matter and would update the whole system, why not disband all political party’s and have say one or maybe two representatives per county according to size and see how we get on, you could still have a controller sat in the speakers chair to see fair play, do you think that idea would take off ? Buzzer.If you want 21st century change why not have proposals for legislation posted online followed by online discussions and then online voting to replace parliament? Just kidding… Honest. Imagine the internet trolls with that!
Switzerland’s political system is worth looking at too.
Part-time, non-careerist politicians, and lots of referendums.
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Interesting stuff.
Switzerland’s political system is worth looking at too.
Part-time, non-careerist politicians, and lots of referendums.
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Interesting stuff.
Look what happened the last time we had a referendum in the UK !!!
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Back to the topic and care homes having a great deal of casualties during recent times and calling for more help from the government. The private care homes charge an absolute fortune and many pay minimum wage rates could they not dip into their profits for the help needed or is it just advice they need ?
ramone:
Back to the topic and care homes having a great deal of casualties during recent times and calling for more help from the government. The private care homes charge an absolute fortune and many pay minimum wage rates could they not dip into their profits for the help needed or is it just advice they need ?
Whole other can of worms here mate!
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Cross subsidies of council residents by private ones?
Why is social and medical care privatised anyway? Shouldn’t it be our duty as a society to provide care for elderly as we provide care for the sick?
. Why should private share holders make profit from illness?
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We know about past inefficiency in the public NHS, but we also know about poor care, in the private sector too.
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So long as costs are cut to the bone standards will drop.
Those who want those costs cut are the biggest tax payers. Those indeed, who can afford to go to expensive private providers.
Any tax cuts working people get may give us an extra pint, or even an extra weekend away. It won’t pay for hospital or geriatric care.
And even nearer the issue, today Sir David Norgrove, head of the Office of National Statistics criticized the way the Gov is presenting it’s figures and the way it is counting COVID tests.
Franglais:
And even nearer the issue, today Sir David Norgrove, head of the Office of National Statistics criticized the way the Gov is presenting it’s figures and the way it is counting COVID tests.
Well there’s a suprise , another criticising the government. The government are taking advice from so called experts but only last week two of these experts disagreed with the rest and criticised the government. Sky and the BBC get a hold of it and ignore the rest o the experts and concentrate on the two that disagree. If you look on this website how many drivers have different opinions . Just because they disagree it doesn’t mean one is wrong. There’s a hell of a lot of scaremongering going on by the media just like there was with Brexit. The pandemic is easing everyone seems to have different ideas on how to deal with it. Not everyone is right but not everyone is wrong only time will tell. But to criticise every effort just gets tiring.